CLOTH EARS Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Although in my earlier posts i was questioning the substitutions and our defensive capabilities i would also like to add that there were some really good performances from the team and yes there are plenty of things to be positive about. Mayuka has to settle in and Yoshida will i am sure be a big plus for us and of course Ramirez, i think that is something that we can all be excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Exactly. Yep Adkins dropped a bollock but as I said he's learning too. We start getting on the team and manager's back this early after these opening fixtures and we'll deserve the inevitable car crash our season will become. This too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Game after game Adkins skews up a magnificent team performance, flow of play and takes off our best players, allows our opponents to get on top. Why oh why, can't he leave the team playing a blinder and spoil it all? You mean like those goal scoring substitutions he made against City? Come on grow a set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 similar things were being said about Swansea and Norwich last season. It took Swansea five games to score a goal. Norwich didn't win a game until the end of September. Both ended up fine and while it doesn't necessarily follow that we will emulate them this year it's still early to panic. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Can't take off the two talismans of Lambert and Lallana at the moment. That may change with Gaston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxi_sopez Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 F*ck me what a sickener that was. Awful. Great performance but Kelvins kicking was truly awful, should have conceded 2 from them, that is simply not good enough and its a reason to drop him. Fonte also such a liability. And the subs were crap as well. Sort out those three issues and we should be ok. Villa at home in a few weeks is now going to be huge, as cant see us getting anything from Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Proud of the side fully deserved a draw but will not scapegoat any of the player or subs .its a learning process and van Persia was the diffferene . Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Message for Alpine: Hey! I hope you realise that ART is trying to steal your place on this forum!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 The clock is ticking Nigel, no more stupid sub's like that today, it effectivly cost us the game. FFS , we had 15 minutes still to play! Gutted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 8 goals in the matches is really poor, our CB's as definatly GK are poor. # Gutted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 While I consider myself far from being a bedwetter or a conspiracy theorist, I am somewhat concerned that Cortese might be behind too many decisions regarding team selection. I have no real grounds to feel this way, but it certainly looks this way. Especially as I think there is little doubt that he is a major player in the transfer decisionsabsolute nonsense, do you believe that NA is a yes man? This same c### was spouted when RL was there. All chairmen have input inot signings as patently they negotiate the terms. If you were chairman and you didnt fancy a player you could easily torepdo the deal by saying that a deal could not be negotiated. No manager except Fergie and Wenger get it all their way in these things and NC makes the ultimate decision. he would not be picking the subs FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Cannot believe we've splashed untold millions on a player we don't need and not bought a new defence (aside from Clyne). Ridiculous. Invisible keeper too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Come on, you think Manu getting on top was due to the subs Adkins made? They started pressing us back and after that Adkins replaced out wide players (fatigue perhaps) and Lambert to get more pace upfront. In all fairness they made very little impact but that had more to do with them never getting a decent ball because we were under so much pressure then them being awful. Individual mistakes cost us the game, nothing else. Clyne falling over (when he tries to head a ball he couldn't get near to instead of turning his attention to vPersie straight away. I'm not sure who was meant to pick up Ferdinand but that much freedom 8 yards out is comical, besides that Guly should have come out at Rafael more aggressively and earlier (he left Rodriguez two-on-one with Valencia and Rafael). Fonte made two mistakes in a row, first trying to volley away that cross when he had time and space to control his clearance and then not picking up vPersie. We played a very good match but we need to be able to defend better when under pressure if we're going to take points against the top teams. We won't be able to dominate matches from start to finish and even though Davis makes a good save on the vPersie penalty he was partly at fault for conceding it and he almost cost us another goal as well. Let hope we can play like this against the likes of Norwich, Villa & Reading. Do that and we won't relegate. Play like we did against Wigan in those matches and we're ****ed. Fair summary, i think. After the subs were made, we just sat back playing more of a 4-5-1. The subs were not playing in the same system as earlier in the game. And mistakes cost us dearly. The way we played for the middle 70 minutes will earn us a lot of respect and praise but we HAVE to be able to hold on to leads. COYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 right, HOLD THE **** U P LADS...... we ran united ragged for 75 mins.... We have our new superstar to come and an international center back to slot in..... We'll be fine this season...... Enjoyable game all told.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 8 goals in the matches is really poor, our CB's as definatly GK are poor. # Gutted On the other side, 4 goals against two of the best teams is really good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Message for Alpine: Hey! I hope you realise that ART is trying to steal your place on this forum!? Alpine doesnt post on here anymore...... Him and Dalek made that promise "if Ramirez signs" Alpine and Dalek are dead (yipeeee) long live ART! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Was a bitter pill to swallow. So many positives to take from it, but we need to get this first 4 games out the way and press on from there. Front 3 looked fantastic at times. JWP impresses me more and more. Thought Morgan was quality with his intercepting of passes. Clyne still looks quality. I'm 50/50 on Fox. Love his delivery, but too many passes go astray IMO. Kelvin nearly killed me twice with those 2 passes that were absolutely shocking. Gutted we couldn't hold on - Absolutely gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Apart from the pen, did KD save a shot today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Cannot believe we've splashed untold millions on a player we don't need and not bought a new defence (aside from Clyne). ..... Yoshida is a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Apart from the pen, did KD save a shot today? Yes, but he didn't actually hold on to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 As the rest of you i am gutted that we have lost a game that we were within touching distance of winning. I watched however a young team that once they got going after the first ten minutes make a Ferguson team look very ordinary for such long periods of the game. We have players that play the way game should be played and it was a joy to watch. Yes, also like the rest of you i feel the changes cost us the game. However before you all start slating NA remember he got us up 2 seasons on the trot and has made many great decisions along the way. Today he got it wrong and i'm sure no one here needs to tell him that! I still feel very optimistic for the rest of the season......I know it hurts like hell right now but lets not all be so quick to slate the manager and certain players....A season is a long time NOT JUST 3 GAMES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Apart from the pen, did KD save a shot today?no he didnt of any note. Were there any he should have? I have been a supporter of him, but I do feel he has lost his edge in the bit i have seen him this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 absolute nonsense, do you believe that NA is a yes man? This same c### was spouted when RL was there. All chairmen have input inot signings as patently they negotiate the terms. If you were chairman and you didnt fancy a player you could easily torepdo the deal by saying that a deal could not be negotiated. No manager except Fergie and Wenger get it all their way in these things and NC makes the ultimate decision. he would not be picking the subs FFS Yeah, I doubt it too....My own insecurities are sneaking in though. It just seemed an odd time to sub in one of our new signings. When you read this forum long enough, it's gonna affect you sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Good grief. What a load of negative talk from the armchair experts. I've just got back and we were really unlucky to lose that. Schneiderlin was simply amazing and even scored a goal. But all the team really worked hard. Yes, some of our players are better than others. Fox lost Valencia far too many times, for example. But the positives far outweigh the negatives. Yes, I was puzzled by the substitutions but can only guess that, either the players were knackered - Adam, for example, must have covered most of the pitch several times - or Adkins genuinely felt that they would help us keep the lead until the final whistle. So it turns out he was wrong but that doesn't make him a bad manager. We outplayed Utd for much of the game and he was just as responsible for that. Disappointed we still have no points but I've every confidence they will come and we will have no problem staying up this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Cant understand the grief Nige is getting for the subs. Lallana, Punch and SRL ran themselves into the ground the first 70 mins and they were done - sadly Guly is a luxury player who doesn't work hard enough and JRod isnt a winger. Where he got it wrong is not bringing on Lee and Mayu out wide and Jrod up front and told them to chase their tails off closing down At the back Fox was just dreadful all game, in some way responsible for all three goals. He inst up to this standard at all. Fonte did OK for 70 mins and then went into blind panic. Davis i fear for as well, he looks like it's one year too long for him The rest were exceptional esp. Punch and Morgan who i thought had terrific games. If Lallana had his shooting boots on we could have been 3 up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Yeah, I doubt it too....My own insecurities are sneaking in though. It just seemed an odd time to sub in one of our new signings. When you read this forum long enough, it's gonna affect you sooner or later. I understand Ohio, we all feel a bit edgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Alpine doesnt post on here anymore...... Him and Dalek made that promise "if Ramirez signs" Alpine and Dalek are dead (yipeeee) long live ART! Surely worth 12 million in that case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Surely worth 12 million in that case...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Substations weren't great, but Fonte should have been closer for the last two goals. Him and Davis (I know he saved the penalty) are turning into liabilities. This said once again Saints showed the world they can mix it with the big boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 we didn't get butt r@ped, we actually looked like winning at one point. we are 3 defenders and a keeper short of getting to the dizzy heights of the top half of the table, and this lot should avoid relegation this season, if Ramirez can play a bit and we get a defence for xmas we'll be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Good grief. What a load of negative talk from the armchair experts. I've just got back and we were really unlucky to lose that. Schneiderlin was simply amazing and even scored a goal. But all the team really worked hard. Yes, some of our players are better than others. Fox lost Valencia far too many times, for example. But the positives far outweigh the negatives. Yes, I was puzzled by the substitutions but can only guess that, either the players were knackered - Adam, for example, must have covered most of the pitch several times - or Adkins genuinely felt that they would help us keep the lead until the final whistle. So it turns out he was wrong but that doesn't make him a bad manager. We outplayed Utd for much of the game and he was just as responsible for that. Disappointed we still have no points but I've every confidence they will come and we will have no problem staying up this season. Good to hear, I'm excited to see what happens in our next few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 (edited) Fergie on the radio gave us credit and said it took Paul Scholes, ( the most experienced, and possibly still the best, midfielder in the country ), to turn the game. Also, plenty of comments praising Saints and supporting Nigel, and quite right too. Edited 2 September, 2012 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Just back - gutted Jeep was mott 4 me - what a talent for someone so young We lost it as a team when we started to sit too deep in the last ten mins From what I saw on the pitch, no one person was to blame - although the subs had zero impact - which they needed to have.... It's hard to explain hw ell we've played when we have zero points and are bottom of the league Disappointed but positive for the season on this display... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jampot Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Been watching saints since 1983. Man U have always been a threat against our worst teams and our best. We played well today. Dont feel Davis is our weak link. Yes, he made mistakes today but going forward he wil do that once in every 8 games. How much would it cost to get a keeper that would never do that? Fonte did look dodgy at times agaisnt one of the best sides in this league but with the resources we have I am more worried about Fox. It is too early, lets not panic and see where we are at christmas. I feel we will not be where we are now then unless all the players heads have dropped. With the management we have and the players desire I just dot feel that is going to happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Game after game Adkins skews up a magnificent team performance, flow of play and takes off our best players, allows our opponents to get on top. Why oh why, can't he leave the team playing a blinder and spoil it all? It's simple, Art. The players you mention were knackered and therefore arguably not our best players in that condition. Had further goals been scored after the substitutions, or we had prevented United's late goals, then Adkins' tactics would have been lauded. Who is to say that those goals would not have been scored anyway as a direct result of the tiredness of those players? I agree that the team played a blinder and I'm really proud of them. We've now played both Manchester teams, (last season's champions and the champions from the season before), within the first three matches and have been 2-1 up on both of them, only to lose by the odd goal at the death. Whereas most of the pundits and some of our fans would have had both of those matches as potential thrashings for us, I believe that both our fans and the pundits are beginning to revise their expectations of how we might end up this season. I find it mildly amusing that Puncheon was considered amongst our best players. I don't disagree based on his performances recently, but how ironic it is against the backdrop of the flak he received within the past few months. I'm pleased for the lad and the ovation he received for his performance today was certainly warranted. I had him man of the match, but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't have been substituted, as he was tired. I remain fairly optimistic that this team is capable of a top ten finish. I thought so at the start of the season and the performances against the two Manc clubs doesn't alter my opinion. In fact, our new signings this window increase my confidence for this season. I'd go as far as to say that had this match come say two months later, with the new players bedded in, we might well have come away with three points. What would we have achieved with Ramirez and Lee running at their defence and hopefully the defence strengthened by our new Japanese defender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 ... or Adkins genuinely felt that they would help us keep the lead until the final whistle. So it turns out he was wrong but that doesn't make him a bad manager...... . This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Surely worth 12 million in that case... LMAO!! I'll chip in a fiver on that signing if it had that effect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 If we are taking the positives out of that game, fine. I'm positive that if we give away stupid corners we don't leave the likes of RVP the freedom of the six yard box to get an unopposed header. I'm positive that we don't make substitutions to our most effective players - especially at home. I'm positive that we don't try to defend against the likes of Man U for the last 25 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Good grief. What a load of negative talk from the armchair experts. I've just got back and we were really unlucky to lose that. Schneiderlin was simply amazing and even scored a goal. But all the team really worked hard. Yes, some of our players are better than others. Fox lost Valencia far too many times, for example. But the positives far outweigh the negatives. Yes, I was puzzled by the substitutions but can only guess that, either the players were knackered - Adam, for example, must have covered most of the pitch several times - or Adkins genuinely felt that they would help us keep the lead until the final whistle. So it turns out he was wrong but that doesn't make him a bad manager. We outplayed Utd for much of the game and he was just as responsible for that. Disappointed we still have no points but I've every confidence they will come and we will have no problem staying up this season.I understand, you were there and see it differently. Fox is good at deadball delivery, but is a real weakness defending down the left. The final score is all important and stripping the team of 3 of its best players all in one 2-3 minute spell was reckless. Taking 1 off and then see hoiw it goes before tinkering again, which also slows the game down and would have stopped Utds flow. Where did 4 minutes of stoppage come from as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Stunning management by Adkins, taking off our 3 best players. Yeh, four promotions in six years ... hasn't got a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 We have to take that level of committment into the rest of the season, not just give it because we were on Sky. Interesting watching the crowd reaction to day, us old hands shrugging our shoulders and saying on to next week, younger fans who cannot remember the Top Flight talking about what might have been. So many positives Puncheon, Ward Prowse,Clyne and my MOM Morgan. Not forgetting Lambert and Adam who ran themselves into the ground. Big concern for me is Fox and how much room he is giving quality players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 OUCH!! I had been thinking that Saints TWICE took the lead! Apparently, according to Talksport, MU are awesome for coming back TWICE from behind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Apart from the pen, did KD save a shot today? Yea, about 3 from memory... Evra header, kagawa shot and 1 from RVP I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Superb football and at 2 1 up still all over them and then , f u c k up time by nigel ! lallana puncheon and lambert all taken off so no attacking threat whatsoever ! we were not even under the cosh when they were taken off .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 After that first ten minutes and the disappointment of losing after being ahead twice, I have come to terms with things, and am still happy with our potential. Anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot. Goodnight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 If we are taking the positives out of that game, fine. I'm positive that if we give away stupid corners we don't leave the likes of RVP the freedom of the six yard box to get an unopposed header. I'm positive that we don't make substitutions to our most effective players - especially at home. I'm positive that we don't try to defend against the likes of Man U for the last 25 minutes. Not convinced we tried to defend for the last 25 minutes, we were not given much choice against a side who started playing 4-2-4, NA brought on 3 players whose strength is going forward not backwards, so i just do not agree it was a policy to defend just we had no choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Superb football and at 2 1 up still all over them and then , f u c k up time by nigel ! So who takes the credit for the 'superb football' ? Surely it can't be the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Blond to defensive frailties. Seems to be endemic at sfc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Somehow you just knew that we would blow it in "Fergie Time." The focus should have been on strengthining the whole of the defence. We are still a CH and LB light which could well prove costly. Still, new players to come in and only 3 games in so no time to panick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 So who takes the credit for the 'superb football' ? Surely it can't be the manager.we played superb footie under the Dutch pair. It is the disappointment of same old saints. i had hoped we had lost that under this new regime. I did not expect us to win today but the loss of being able to tease those Southern Man u fans is hard to take. They will still have their arrogant swagger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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