Suomi Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 wtf? There is only one person who lost us that game - Adkins. Maybe it was Cortese insisting on the new signing making an appearance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Yeah there were a few individual mistakes but none of the players are to blame. Adkins really did lose us the game. Still I'd rather he tries to effect games than sit on his arse. Unfortunately lambert was our out ball when under pressure and no one else could hold it up. Punch was superb and wasn't tiring at all I think this was the biggest mistake. Proud of the lads tho. Thought fox was OK after a rather shonky first half. Hard to pick out a MOM for us tho. The mid and forwards were immense. BTW those having a pop at Fonte do realise that it was Jos that gave the pen away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibizasaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Still proud though...there were times we were all over one of the best teams in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsAhoy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Good team performance for 75-80 minutes. Very strange substitutions and further reminder that Fonte is a bit of a liability. I thought Punch and Schneiderlin were both fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I tell you what, table reads played 3, 0 points but after today's performance, I have no fear if relegation at all! Adkins will learn but what absolute TOP performances by our forwards. Special mention for PUNCHEON, forget v.persie, Jason was my man of the match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Four goals against the champions and runners up, played well in both games, nul points, its a cruel game. Lino and ref did us no favours at all incidentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Well let us hope so because I said to my brother and mate before the game that we more often than not going to have to score four this season to win....and so it has proved. Our defence, unless they sort themselves out very quickly, is going to cost us games week in week out. United were ordinary today and there for the taking and they made us look like chumps. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Why oh why when you're a goal up against Man U with 10 mins to go do you replace your 3 attacking players? ........! Your new international who has played in Europe, and your £7M man signed at the start of the summer. They should be up to scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Are we fit enough? We looked shattered at 75 mins utd always wait for the opposition to tire,see how many games they score late goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Well done boys, with the full compliment we will be ok, some strange sub choices though which is a bit worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Didnt follow the game, just got back from my youngest's christening. Was this a case of Fergie Time ? Bit concerned by some of the comments on here, sounds like the manager lost the game by a strange tactical switch and it seems we've received further confirmation of our defensive/GK weaknesses, if it were ever needed. Sounds like we put up one helluva fight and were good going forward though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Adkins to blame for taking off our three most effective players. We'd have got at least a point otherwise. Hopefully he learns.. fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I just don't understand why, if you bring on Rodriguez, surely you have to bring him in as a CF to do the same job Lambert was doing. Instead we had Mayuka, who can actually play out wide was up front and isolated which meant the ball kept coming back at us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Cheers Nigel - absolute bloody madness taking off the three best players on the pitch. I just cannot understand it. We just gave it to them by bringing off the main threats. Lambert had Rio and Vidic sussed and they immediately got their tail up when he went off. All this guff about JF, KD and DF - they didn't cost us the game, Adkins did. Had we stuck it out with no subs we'd have held on. So angry right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Fonte must go. Needless corner for the third goal (sliced clearance) and he didn't even bother getting near to van Persie, just allowed him a completely free header. We gifted them that; absolutely gifted it to them. A bit of naivety from NA, I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Adkins to blame for taking off our three most effective players. We'd have got at least a point otherwise. Hopefully he learns.. fast! He will have a learning curve for sure....But I think he is humble enough to accept that and will adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_jas Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Was gutted at Man City, and now gutted now. ****ed off with texts from Man U fans I am getting who have ****ing never seen them live. But never take off Lambert, least he can hold up ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I tell you what, table reads played 3, 0 points but after today's performance, I have no fear if relegation at all! Well thats a bit complacent, considering the manner of the defeat to Wigan. The two Manchesters were arguably glamour ties where our boys raised their game temporarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsAhoy Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 On the bright side, we're only a win off mid-table Very encouraging performance in 2 of our 3 starting games, against top top sides. With the new blood still to come in, I'm thinking we will start to pick up points soon. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Well thats a bit complacent, considering the manner of the defeat to Wigan. The two Manchesters were arguably glamour ties where our boys raised their game temporarily. I've discounted the Wigan game. We just forgot to play. That happens. I don't think it will happen as badly as that again for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 First off well played lads, they were awesome. Clyne, Lallana, Lambert and my motm Puncheon. They were so good and watching them at times made you feel proud at the way they were playing. To lose 2-3 after that is harsh. BUT There is no-one to blame but Adkins for that result. This isn't an Adkins out thing so don't get it wrong....But the three things that were working was Lambert,Puncheon and Lallana. They were struggling to stop them getting forward. Why the **** did Adkins change the three things that were going right? That is up there with the most barmy decisions I have seen as a Saints fan. I can understand taking Rickie off as maybe he was knackered but the others seemed fine. Why switch to an all out defence with basically 20 mins to go? We went from attacking and giving them problems to giving them the ball for the last 20mins and hoping they don't score. When things go right and managers make the right decisions then they should be praised but when they get it wrong they deserve criticism. Davis did well with the penalty but again his kicking and long distance saving is woeful. I just can't believe Adkins... What are you talking about? The longest distance shot he had all day was from 15 yards and he saved it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Stunning management by Adkins, taking off our 3 best players. It was rediculous. we had Man UTD on the ropes,even with their changes. depite the penalty save,which was hit poorly,Davis is becoming a liability. Puncheon was outstanding. The threat we had with Lallana,Puncheon and Lambert was superb. Rodriguez is out of his depth,playing out of position or not. should have kept Sharp,loaned ot Jay Rod. wrong tactical decisions Nigel,very nieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Long way to go yet. Still hanging on to the fact QPR lost 21 and still survived last year. Means we've got 18 to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Was gutted at Man City, and now gutted now. ****ed off with texts from Man U fans I am getting who have ****ing never seen them live. But never take off Lambert, least he can hold up ball. Exactly - he went off and there was only one winner. Just cannot fathom NAs thinking. He must have been watching a different game to the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Four goals against the champions and runners up, played well in both games, nul points, its a cruel game. Lino and ref did us no favours at all incidentally. Yep four goals scored against two top sides is a big positive. Worryingly we have conceded SIX goals in these two plus two v Wigan, already our defence is a major area of concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Your new international who has played in Europe, and your £7M man signed at the start of the summer. They should be up to scratch. The others are used to each other. One of them's only just been signed and the other's playing in a slightly unorthodox position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 It's easy with hindsight to criticise the substitutions, but if J-Rod had scored we'd all be lauding Nigel. We lost becaue one of our centre backs got tired and sliced a clearance out for a corner, from which he failed to adequately mark the best striker in Europe. We have now held the lead against the 2 best teams in the league - we can compete and we should take confidence into the games to come, plus we have new players to come in and justify their price tags and reputations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 OK, now I've had a chance to calm down I will give an objective analysis. In case anybody was still in any doubt about SRL's ability to score goals in this league, that's two already and both against the two best sides in England last season. I always thought Schneiderlin would make his class show in the PL and he didn't disappoint today - I thought he was immense and is my MOTM. Puncheon had a very good game and was unlucky not to get a goal, forcing an excellent save from the Utd keeper. Not entirely sure why people are slating Kelvin for that - he saved a penalty FFS, and he can't really be blamed for any of their goals - he very nearly saved the first one. I am seriously concerned about the rest of our defence though. Fonte is a total liability and Hooiveld has already conceded two needless penalties so far this season (although KD has got him off the hook both times so far). Fox was anonymous today - Gave Valencia far too much time and space every time he got forward, and didn't contribute anything going forward either - very poor. Clyne was the only defender who came out of that game with any real credit. As for United though - aside from RVP they were very average and were there for the taking I thought, so it's especially frustrating that we came so close and ballsed it up defensively from a commanding position. Overall, there was a lot to be positive about, and we gave Utd's defence a real game which they may not have been expecting. If we can sort out the defensive issues and play like we did today going forward, I have no doubt we will be fine this year. But the commentator on the stream I was watching came out with a rather alarming statistic - that no newly promoted team has ever lost their first three games and survived! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Worryingly we have conceded SIX goals in these two plus two v Wigan, already our defence is a major area of concern. 8 goals conceded in 3 games. I'd have to agree! And Arsenal to come.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Stunning management by Adkins, taking off our 3 best players. Stupid move by Adkins, everything went flat after that. And the three subs were invisible - both in defence and attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Clearly "Saints fit" is not fit enough for the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 What are you talking about? The longest distance shot he had all day was from 15 yards and he saved it! First half I think it was Rafael had a shot which he saved with his knees that went for a corner. Second half I think it was Cleverly had a shot from 35 yards out which he saved again with his legs and bounced just beyond the penalty spot. Thankfully nobody was there. Go back and re-watch it and your see there was about 4 long shots which he never caught any. All parried and all back into the danger zone. Im a huge fan of Davis so i'm not blaming him at all but he is poor with long shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 I don't want to have a go at NA but if Lambert, Lallana and Puncheon were injured or dead on their feet then fair enough BUT those substitutions played a big part in the final outcome today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 The think I noted about the substitutions was that it was the three attackers who had been defending from the front. Even at amateur level it's bloomin knackering playing both an attacking and a closing down game. Lambert is 30 and a big heavy guy, so he's understandable, but I noticed at Man City how Puncheon faded towards the end and that's not a criticism of the way he played. Lallana also did loads of work today, at pace, to try and close down and intercept. There was a perfectly rational reason for the subs although I'd have preferred Rodrigues more central. Also the midfield were tired at the end and the balls the forwards were getting were not of the best. I really wouldn't put too much emphasis on the subs, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 The others are used to each other. One of them's only just been signed and the other's playing in a slightly unorthodox position. They should have been switched around if they had to come on IMO, asking a 5'9 striker to play alone up top in a new team while every one else drops deep was always going to be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 We have now held the lead against the 2 best teams in the league Um.. taken the lead perhaps. But holding it, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 We've not been outplayed by the top two teams of last season and we've lost to one of the form teams of the moment. We showed real quality today, we perhaps need to get street wise on seeing games out but don't write us off -the team ran themselves in to the ground and U****ed have done what they did to us to a great many teams in the past. Agree with Scotty we didn't get much from the officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Red Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Although I agree with the general view that the subs were a mistake, I think you can see what Adkins was trying to do. He was trying to get more men behind the ball, and cause united trouble on the break. It just didn't work very well. Hopefully he'll learn from it and do better next time. Slightly concerned by our defence, and Kelvin put us in trouble a few times which needs to stop. As for players, I only caught the second half but was impressed with Puncheon - nice to be proven wrong about him. Lallana and Lambert looked really good too, nice that the taters mentioned England a few times. Got to start getting points now, hopefully the new boys can help us out a bit. Looking forward to Ramirez's debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 It's going to be a long hard season. Kelvin just isn't up to it and the fact we have failed to sign a decent goalkeeper is going to cost us many points over the coming season. Fonte still looks a liability and I fear that all of our enterprising attacking play is going to end up being undone by a calamitous defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 What the hell, i'm still on the bus. NA and the players have a lot to learn, but I can still see mid/lower middle table finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Burleyesque substitutions ... I had hoped to have seen the end of them. Hope Yoshi is good as we are stuck with our defence until January now. That's two games in a row of weird substitutions and that used to be Nigel's strong point. Are things getting to him? Wonder what Cortese thinks of today ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 We're a good team - we won't go down: we will keep improving. Proud of the performance. Adkins is a very good manager, but made mistakes today. So many positives! Onwards and upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Worm Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 When does the loan window end? need good defenders ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 It's going to be a long hard season. Kelvin just isn't up to it and the fact we have failed to sign a decent goalkeeper is going to cost us many points over the coming season. Fonte still looks a liability and I fear that all of our enterprising attacking play is going to end up being undone by a calamitous defence. Yeah, this. Sadly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Great performance from the team. Twice we have thrown away leads. I remember this happening a lot the last time we were in top flight. Defence worries me! Saying this Man U do this to the best in the game, with late goals all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 obviously gutting but so many positives it's almost hard to be that angry. two good goals, clyne looks absolutely class, front three of puncheon, lallana and lambert looks very dangerous. davis and morgan did well. odd substitutions from nigel and poor defending cost us the game. ho hum. very impressed once again with saints though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Wonder what Cortese thinks of today ... First and foremost, I think he will have noticed that we took the lead twice against the world's biggest club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 We need to learn not to give away corners at this level, if we need to kick it out it needs to be for throw in NOT a corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 Lambert had stopped running, there was one point where it went towards the corner and just didn't bother. if only we had someone on the bench who could bring down high balls. Amazed puncheon came off however, possibly our best player. The problem was we tried to sit back and defend the lead but we don't have good enough defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 2 September, 2012 Share Posted 2 September, 2012 We need to learn not to give away corners at this level, if we need to kick it out it needs to be for throw in NOT a corner Or if we give corners make sure someone is marking the leagues top scorer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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