alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 You'd have been quick to moan had we NOT signed these players fella, and you know it. The profiles of some of the players we have bought are not what I expected. To summarise: I am happy with Yoshida, Clyne Hopeful about S. Davis, Gazzaniga Bemused by Mayuka Impressed at getting Ramirez, but worried about it working out Non-plussed by Rodriguez Gutted about Billy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Its a toughie. Lets talk specifics. I would have rather kept Sharp than buy Ramirez and Rodriguez. Aw Alps you really are comedy gold. I'd like Sharp to stay but over and above two excellent young players? Have you considered a career in stand up? And I see your quote has even made an appearance on twitter #saintswebclassics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 People forget that Mayuka got th golden boot at the ACN and that isn't the Micky mouse competition it once was. Overall, it has been a very good window do us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Its a toughie. Lets talk specifics. I would have rather kept Sharp than buy Ramirez and Rodriguez. Do to clarfify you'd rather we'd kept a player who has only played as a sub once in the premier league over a full international for a top 5 national side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 The profiles of some of the players we have bought are not what I expected. To summarise: I am happy with Yoshida, Clyne Hopeful about S. Davis, Gazzaniga Bemused by Mayuka Impressed at getting Ramirez, but worried about it working out Non-plussed by Rodriguez Gutted about Billy. why? He has pace, something which we clearly lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Do to clarfify you'd rather we'd kept a player who has only played as a sub once in the premier league over a full international for a top 5 national side? MLG moment...twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 why? He has pace, something which we clearly lack Lets see how it works out. I am simply surprised we werent in there, mixing it more for established PL players. Very Lowe-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I never remember Lowe spending over £30million in a transfer window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Listen, all you hysterical bullies, the f**king England squad is FULL of players supposedly worth as much as Ramirez, but do they come together as a unit, give quality performances and get the results needed ? FFS, have a word with yourselves.. i got an infraction last week for telling this guy that he is an irritating cvnt. my guess most of the posters on here think the same. the best transfer to saints for 30 years and he still looks at the negatives. im sorry but THRUSH he is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Lets see how it works out. I am simply surprised we werent in there, mixing it more for established PL players. Very Lowe-like. such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Lets see how it works out. I am simply surprised we werent in there, mixing it more for established PL players. Very Lowe-like. Yet you'd keep Sharp who isn't an established premier league player, over full internationals from top 5 national sides? Very Lowe like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Lets see how it works out. I am simply surprised we werent in there, mixing it more for established PL players. Very Lowe-like. You know. I've thought that all summer. This is precisely what Rupert Lowe would have done. Lowe written all over it. Fu ckin g turn it in Alpine you absolute spastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Yet you'd keep Sharp who isn't an established premier league player, over full internationals from top 5 national sides? Very Lowe like. As I said, not only is he a irritating **** he's a thick **** as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 As I said, not only is he a irritating **** he's a thick **** as well. THe trouble is loads of people just bite and start name calling rather than questioning his, clearly WUM views. It's pretty clear he constantly contradicts himself and talks bo*llocks to get a reaction, which evidently works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Crikey, I might have to put Alpine back on ignore and take Turkish off it!;-) FWIW I don't think Alps is a troll (ignoring the troll like behaviour), but he certainly has some serious issues. Probably cross-eyed: he doesn't look at his glass and think half-full or half-empty but at the one alongside which is completely empty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Yet you'd keep Sharp who isn't an established premier league player, over full internationals from top 5 national sides? Very Lowe like. I didnt see up-front as being an urgent area to re-inforce, so yes I would have kept Sharp and felt he could do a job. I did see the defence as being an urgent area to re-inforce, and here is where I expected us to have more domestic transfer activity than we had. Yoshida and Büttner were not from PL teams. Really, I dont see the contradiction you are trying to highlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I didnt see up-front as being an urgent area to re-inforce, so yes I would have kept Sharp and felt he could do a job. I did see the defence as being an urgent area to re-inforce, and here is where I expected us to have more domestic transfer activity than we had. Yoshida and Büttner were not from PL teams. Really, I dont see the contradiction you are trying to highlight. So what's the difference between having inexperienced players up front and inexperience players at the back? Can Hooliveld, Fonte and fox not do a job? why Is Sharp able to but those not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Crikey, I might have to put Alpine back on ignore and take Turkish off it!;-) FWIW I don't think Alps is a troll (ignoring the troll like behaviour), but he certainly has some serious issues. Probably cross-eyed: he doesn't look at his glass and think half-full or half-empty but at the one alongside which is completely empty! Am I on ignore? I had no idea!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 An outstanding transfer window for midfield and attack. Would have been happier with another prem quality CB and having a 35 year old GK backed up by two 20 year olds who have never played above lg2 worries me - so Alpine is right to a degree. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Am I on ignore? I had no idea!! I've heard mention of it before I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 So what's the difference between having inexperienced players up front and inexperience players at the back? Can Hooliveld, Fonte and fox not do a job? why Is Sharp able to but those not? Just my own opinion of ability and potential driving my viewpoint, Turkish. It aint a court of law. I've always felt defence is where experience is most critical and you dont take risks. Up front you can throw youthful exuberance at it and see how it gets on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 An outstanding transfer window for midfield and attack. Would have been happier with another prem quality CB and having a 35 year old GK backed up by two 20 year olds who have never played above lg2 worries me - so Alpine is right to a degree. . A good summary, but would also add that the Billy Sharp situation is disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Just my own opinion of ability and potential driving my viewpoint, Turkish. It aint a court of law. I've always felt defence is where experience is most critical and you dont take risks. Up front you can throw youthful exuberance at it and see how it gets on. Don't disagree with that. Just find it a bit wierd that you complain about our signings then say you'd rather take an in experIenced and unproven striker at premier league level over a full international from a top nation who is regarded as one of the best young players in Serie A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Don't disagree with that. Just find it a bit wierd that you complain about our signings then say you'd rather take an in experIenced and unproven striker at premier league level over a full international from a top nation who is regarded as one of the best young players in Serie A. Well, for me they both have risks attached, but Billy was already here and (for me) deserved the chance to prove himself at this level after his contribution to the promotion campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Well, for me they both have risks attached, but Billy was already here and (for me) deserved the chance to prove himself at this level after his contribution to the promotion campaign. So the one that left deserved the chance to prove himself, where as the ones that stayed who also helped our promotion cause don't? But then you may be saying that billy sharp alone got us promotion?! Lol marvellous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Well, for me they both have risks attached, but Billy was already here and (for me) deserved the chance to prove himself at this level after his contribution to the promotion campaign. If we had signed these established defenders and left the attack as it is, you wouldnt have complained about lack of quality transfers in that area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 So the one that left deserved the chance to prove himself, where as the ones that stayed who also helped our promotion cause don't? But then you may be saying that billy sharp alone got us promotion?! Lol marvellous... Huh ? Surely by staying they will get their chance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 If we had signed these established defenders and left the attack as it is, you wouldnt have complained about lack of quality transfers in that area? As I said earlier, I felt our attack was already reasonable, when you consider Lee was coming back from injury. I noted the concern of others about lack of pace, but for me the first priority was always defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 come on......what about calling saints fans "skates" for theirs...? infact, don't worry about it..clearly you are going to allow one user ruin it for the many cheers You have the audacity to accuse a poster of trolling, which you are clearly doing yourself AND going out of your way to get someone an infraction ! Look at yourself mate ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 As I said earlier, I felt our attack was already reasonable, when you consider Lee was coming back from injury. I noted the concern of others about lack of pace, but for me the first priority was always defence. Hmmm, I'm not sure. You've complained about almost everything else, it seems you're always looking for something to prompt the descent of the red mist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I did see the defence as being an urgent area to re-inforce, and here is where I expected us to have more domestic transfer activity than we had. Yoshida and Büttner were not from PL teams. I find your apparent focus on 'Premier League experience' as the only benchmark of the quality of a player a bit... bizarre. It's the sort of nonsense one hears out of the likes of Alan 'Hatem Ben Who?' Shearer. I find it odd that a fan of a club which has been outside of the PL for a good amount of time, and is such an active participant on an Internet football forum (which normally leads to a broader knowledge about the game than someone who relies on The Sun/MOTD/Talksport for their info), would take such a narrow view. Presumably if we had signed Thiago Silva and Diego Godin, you would have been bemoaning that we'd gone for them instead of Liam Ridgewell and Alan Hutton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 As I said earlier, I felt our attack was already reasonable, when you consider Lee was coming back from injury. I noted the concern of others about lack of pace, but for me the first priority was always defence. Our attack was far from certain to cut the mustard at PL level, and your "they got us here" logic means that we should be sticking with players like Hammond as well. And then we should strengthen our defence and hang on for grim death, hoping that we can finish above the bottom three. No thanks. But that's all besides the point because it's clear from our transfer dealings that we're aiming for a different kind of football - presumably the "Southampton way" much touted by NC. And I, for one, am very happy and excited to see it. Alpine, I sometimes think that the only value of a silver lining, for you, is the fact that there's a cloud attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Alpine moans EVERY transfer window. He's a moron we all know that. Good thing he doesn't manage Saints - if he did we'd be competing with Riverside Reds at Riverside Park every Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 You know. I've thought that all summer. This is precisely what Rupert Lowe would have done. Lowe written all over it. Fu ckin g turn it in Alpine you absolute spastic. I find your attitude thoroughly objectionable. I am putting you in ignore, something I have never done before ! So there, and I'm letting everyone know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Only disappointment to me is that we didn't sign another defender. Really hoped for Boilesen. But hey, my impression is that the club did a fantastic effort to bring in the right players, and that we didn't do any panic buys. Now I'm just gonna lean back and enjoy the season, no matter what. Prepared for the worst, hoping for the best. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Its a toughie. Lets talk specifics. I would have rather kept Sharp than buy Ramirez and Rodriguez. That just simply can't be taken remotely seriously as an opinion of someone of sound mind. I can understand preferring to keep Sharp over Rodriguez. But to believe Sharp's value to Saints is greater than that of Ramirez and Rodriguez combined is just beyond ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I've heard mention of it before I think. Probably by Turkish himself, I would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 I thought both dalek and alpine agreed to stop posting if/when Ramirez signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Probably by Turkish himself, I would imagine. No. From you. Every single freaking time you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 I thought both dalek and alpine agreed to stop posting if/when Ramirez signed? No. I I agreed to stop posting if Hooper signed. I never made that promise about Ramirez, not sure about Alpine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwanamakubwa Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Loan window still open alps. We usually come up with a loan to buy. If, as it seems, we are going to stick to 4-3-3, Billy was going to struggle for gametime. My heart wanted him to stay my head knew he wouldn't. Squad is far more balanced ability wise now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Loan window still open alps. We usually come up with a loan to buy. . I think we're saying it isn't. Loan window is a football league thing, not applicable to the Prem. It's all over, unless we've got one that we just haven't announced yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 We can sign out of contract players but not loans. Not sure to many out of contract players fit the bill at Saints so for me we go with what we have until Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Pleased with our signings overall, some really exciting potential there, but would still like to have seen a proven, solid, experienced Centre Back and possibly a left-back option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwanamakubwa Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Ah. Ok I sit corrected. Still very happy with the signings and balance of the team. Should make for a highly entertaining season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 1 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Still a fantastic transfer window for Saints. Gazzaniga, Cropper Clyne Yoshida S. Davis Ramirez Mayuka Rodriguez That has really strengthened the squad. I would agree that we prehaps need another CB and maybe a 1st choice GK but think we got most of what we needed. I cannot belive the comments that we didn't need to strengthen the forwards. Only RL has the ability imo; Sharpe, yes did well for us and scored important goals but lacked pace, his distribution was inconsistent and did not read the game. Lee has pace but havent seen enough yet. Rodrigues I think will cut it, he has some pace, he is good in the air, his passing looks good and he takes up good positions. The one thing we really lack is real pace. Any team is scared s$%^less by real pace, Mayuka looks a wonderful buy if he can step up to the PL. He will add another dimention to team and I think will create loads goals. The midfield, just what we needed, experience in Davies, creativity in Ramirez. Has to be Lallana and Moragn with these 2. The defence, well Clyne looks the full ticket, already an England U21 and looks as though he can go alot further. Yoshida, cant comment really not seen enough but the right position that needed strengthening. So it has been a fantastic transfer window. Is it enough? I think so. Yes it is going to be a tough a season but 4th from bottom will do me this year, personally I think we will be mid table. Get the next 2 games out of the way. Couple the signings with the young players that are coming through, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, etc. It is looking a whole lot better...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Not happy about Billy leaving, and I question why we have gone for signings who have no PL experience. For me, it's part of Cortese's masterplan for marketing Saints in South America, Africa, and Asia. I had never heard of any of these guys before, therefore I can only wait and see if they match up to the hype. How many Japanese central defenders have been successful in the Prem? Why didn't we strengthen midfield? Where is our PL standard goalkeeper? All pertinent questions IMHO. Having said all that, at least it seems that we are serious about life in the PL - judging by the fortune we've spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Not happy about Billy leaving, and I question why we have gone for signings who have no PL experience. For me, it's part of Cortese's masterplan for marketing Saints in South America, Africa, and Asia. I had never heard of any of these guys before, therefore I can only wait and see if they match up to the hype. How many Japanese central defenders have been successful in the Prem? Why didn't we strengthen midfield? Where is our PL standard goalkeeper? All pertinent questions IMHO. Having said all that, at least it seems that we are serious about life in the PL - judging by the fortune we've spent. how much prem experience has sharp got again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Interesting bunch of signings, no premier league stalwarts so an element of intrigue about them. I hope that Ramirez lives up to the hype - a lot of pressure for a 21 year old but a very exciting signing none-the-less. Mayuka and Yoshida look very interesting, for a centre half Yoshida can certainly score spectacular goals but what is his defensive work like? Hopefully good enough for this league. Mayuka excites me, pace and trickery but the Swiss league is not the prem. Could be spectatcular....could be found out. Looking forward to seeing how they get on. Fingers crossed for both of them. Before season's start my hope was that we would avoid relegation, I'm feeling more confident now and it's especially pleasing to see the club buying young talent with longevity and sell on value. I think the fans are going to have a bit of patience but if the players gel this team looks to have the potential of becoming a very good outfit. This season is pivotal, stay up and our young players will only get better + we are looking good for a long run in the prem. It's going to be a very interesting few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Not happy about Billy leaving, and I question why we have gone for signings who have no PL experience. For me, it's part of Cortese's masterplan for marketing Saints in South America, Africa, and Asia. I had never heard of any of these guys before, therefore I can only wait and see if they match up to the hype. How many Japanese central defenders have been successful in the Prem? Why didn't we strengthen midfield? Where is our PL standard goalkeeper? All pertinent questions IMHO. Having said all that, at least it seems that we are serious about life in the PL - judging by the fortune we've spent. Davis is our CM experience, and he's the PL experience that you cry out for in your post and then suggest we didn't strengthen in midfield. I'd also say Ramirez will strengthen our midfield slightly(!) I think Jos gets a hard time here. What exactly did he do wrong last year, and what exactly has he done wrong this, to all of a sudden be confined to the ''not good enough'' bin? Can't see it I'm afraid, i think he's had a decent start to the season, and the last flaming thing you want to go and do is replace an entire 11. That doesn't work. It's all about evolving the squad gradually and adding quality down the spine, which is what we've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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