Chez Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Well, thats strange, because apparently Billy didnt want to go. he didn't, but unlike some he did actually want to play football (which he wouldn't at SFC) and thankfully Forest have been interested for yonks and had the reddies to pay enough of his wages for it to be worthwhile us letting him out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 I thought everyone was happy we got Mayuka as we wanted some pace in the attack? Yes, but he was the wrong sub on the pitch against Manure. Faster he may be but he did not fit into our pattern of play at that time, and looked lost. Biily is part and parcel of our style and he is a proven goal poacher who would have been a focal threat against United's wobbly defence. That decision more than likely cost us a point. I think what most disturbs me is that Billy Sharp has not really had much of an opportunity to show what he can do in the Prem for us. It's quite possible that Mayuka's speed will be matched by his goal scoring abilities, but we will never now know whether he or Sharp would be the better goal scorer. I do hope that we have a recall clause. Bad timing has cost us (imho). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Yes, but he was the wrong sub on the pitch against Manure. Faster he may be but he did not fit into our pattern of play at that time, and looked lost. Biily is part and parcel of our style and he is a proven goal poacher who would have been a focal threat against United's wobbly defence. That decision more than likely cost us a point. I think what most disturbs me is that Billy Sharp has not really had much of an opportunity to show what he can do in the Prem for us. It's quite possible that Mayuka's speed will be matched by his goal scoring abilities, but we will never now know whether he or Sharp would be the better goal scorer. I do hope that we have a recall clause. Bad timing has cost us (imho). Can you please share your crystal ball with the rest of us when you're done!? Sharp had done absolutely nothing at all when he came off the bench against City and Wigan. He barely touched the ball. Why would he come on against Utd and suddenly worry Ferdinand and Vidic? As others have stated Sharp seems a good man and is a great poacher but his all round game is too slow and be isn't much of a physical presence to be a threat to most prem teams. He needs service and doesn't create for himself. When your team in pegged back and aren't getting the ball, how is Sharp supposed to be this amazing impact player people are making him out to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Yes, but he was the wrong sub on the pitch against Manure. Faster he may be but he did not fit into our pattern of play at that time, and looked lost. Biily is part and parcel of our style and he is a proven goal poacher who would have been a focal threat against United's wobbly defence. That decision more than likely cost us a point. I kinda agree, he didn't fit our style of play at the time. But he chased, battled and scrapped for the ball at every opportunity, he ran for everything he could and when he did have a chance to influence play, it didn't seem wasted on him. Sadly though, as you imply, the game passed him by as it didn't suit him at that time. As for it costing us points, I don't agree with the common view that the subs alone cost us points. The turning point wasn't the subs from us, but the introduction of Scholes before our subs. Scholes provided the passing, the vision and the creative outlet Utd has desperately lacked. Even SAF says he changed the game for them. Sadly for us, well, Adkins... Scholes came on, roughly 15 minutes later we made changes, by which time Scholes was well into the game and bossing things with his passing. That was the turning point, but it could also look like the subs ruined the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Chris Marsden was over 30 when he got his try in the Premiership. He wasn't the first and won't be the last. He came into his own up against class players. I sincerely believe Billy would have done the same and silenced the non believers. I saw nothing on Sunday to make me believe that Mayuka is going to be anything special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Chris Marsden was over 30 when he got his try in the Premiership. He wasn't the first and won't be the last. He came into his own up against class players. I sincerely believe Billy would have done the same and silenced the non believers. I saw nothing on Sunday to make me believe that Mayuka is going to be anything special. Not the lads fault Billy went out a loan, give him a bloody chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 6 September, 2012 Share Posted 6 September, 2012 Not the lads fault Billy went out a loan, give him a bloody chance! Where did I allocate fault to Billy? Quite the opposite and I sincerely wished he could have been allowed to prove the doubters wrong. For me he was born to make it big in the Premier :eague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Chris Marsden was over 30 when he got his try in the Premiership. He wasn't the first and won't be the last. He came into his own up against class players. I sincerely believe Billy would have done the same and silenced the non believers. I saw nothing on Sunday to make me believe that Mayuka is going to be anything special. you saw nothing in 20 mins of United possession, people like you, God, what are you expecting? I think the first few games for Saints Sharp was a bit anonymous, scored yeah, but a bit slow and crap, turned out alright though. The people that are judging him on 20 mins need to take a reality check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 Where did I allocate fault to Billy? Quite the opposite and I sincerely wished he could have been allowed to prove the doubters wrong. For me he was born to make it big in the Premier :eague. Sorry my sentence was not worded very well, I was referring to Mayuka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I kinda agree, he didn't fit our style of play at the time. But he chased, battled and scrapped for the ball at every opportunity, he ran for everything he could and when he did have a chance to influence play, it didn't seem wasted on him. Sadly though, as you imply, the game passed him by as it didn't suit him at that time. As for it costing us points, I don't agree with the common view that the subs alone cost us points. The turning point wasn't the subs from us, but the introduction of Scholes before our subs. Scholes provided the passing, the vision and the creative outlet Utd has desperately lacked. Even SAF says he changed the game for them. Sadly for us, well, Adkins... Scholes came on, roughly 15 minutes later we made changes, by which time Scholes was well into the game and bossing things with his passing. That was the turning point, but it could also look like the subs ruined the day. I agree that Scholes was a massive substitute and his intelligent accurate passing was the main reason we lost. But I still believe that we needed fresh legs in central midfield. For me the bench was wrong and the player we needed to break up their attacks was a belligerent, confrontational Chaplow. That is what he does well. When Scholes came on he might not have had the space he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 7 September, 2012 Share Posted 7 September, 2012 I agree that Scholes was a massive substitute and his intelligent accurate passing was the main reason we lost. But I still believe that we needed fresh legs in central midfield. For me the bench was wrong and the player we needed to break up their attacks was a belligerent, confrontational Chaplow. That is what he does well. When Scholes came on he might not have had the space he got. Better players than we've got have tried and failed to stop Scholes controlling a game. We lost a game we were all expecting to lose but put up a bloody great performance. There is no guarantee that different substitutions in terms of timing or personnel would have made hints better. SUMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 11 September, 2012 Share Posted 11 September, 2012 VLordswood - are you saying Cortese, not Adkins, told Sharp he was going. And Adkins told Sharp he wanted him to stay? Just want to check we're reading this right? Interesting quote from Sean O'Driscoll on SSN - Billy Sharp had been mooted at this club for two or three years and the family made it happen for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 I see that Forrest are supporting the LJS foundation and are selling the wrist bands in the club shop. Fair play to the. For doing that. Did we ever do that? Can't recall seeing the bands for sale in our shops? Disappointing if we didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 I see that Forrest are supporting the LJS foundation and are selling the wrist bands in the club shop. Fair play to the. For doing that. Did we ever do that? Can't recall seeing the bands for sale in our shops? Disappointing if we didn't. Don't quote me on this but I'm sure I read on his twitter whilst he was here, that Billy asked for the bands to be sold in our club shop but the club wouldn't do it because they already had the Saints Foundation ones or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Don't quote me on this but I'm sure I read on his twitter whilst he was here, that Billy asked for the bands to be sold in our club shop but the club wouldn't do it because they already had the Saints Foundation ones or something along those lines. Sounds accurate. We've got a band and an LJS Foundation t-shirt, all via the Dead Legacy website and/or Billy/Jade on twitter. Was nice to see Lallana and Fox on SoccerAM with the bands last week as well. They've just launched a girls' vest in the same design as the t-shirt as well, in case any of you lot are Billy Sharp supporting vest wearing girls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 With a bit of work we can segway this thread into a(nother) anti-Cortese rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Are our fans still intending on wearing teh LJS tee for Spurs (H)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 I agree that Scholes was a massive substitute and his intelligent accurate passing was the main reason we lost. But I still believe that we needed fresh legs in central midfield. For me the bench was wrong and the player we needed to break up their attacks was a belligerent, confrontational Chaplow. That is what he does well. When Scholes came on he might not have had the space he got. This. Couldn't agree more, that game was made for Chappers imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 There we go. danbsfc: @billysharp10 Will you ever get the @Foundationljs wristbands on sale in the #SaintsFC club shop? Would sell a lot with 30,000 most weeks! Foundationljs: @danbsfc no sorry. It's not something the club will support at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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