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ALWAYS_SFC

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So we've (the club and the fans) tossed out the player who pushed us over the promotion line last season on the basis of his first 15mins of the season.

 

Talk about impatience/judgementality. Amazing how the likes of Goolie gets a 100 chances though...

 

Err..we have loaned two players who played fairly regularly in Sharp and Hammond, Barnard did not feature much..

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So we've (the club and the fans) tossed out the player who pushed us over the promotion line last season on the basis of his first 15mins of the season.

 

Talk about impatience/judgementality. Amazing how the likes of Goolie gets a 100 chances though...

 

Well that clearly isn't how it is though, is it?

 

Adkins will clearly have a pretty good idea of Billy's abilities, having worked with him at Scunny & Saints these past few months. You know, day in, day out at the training ground.

 

Nope, you're right. This decision will be made solely on the basis of those 15 mins.

 

I'm almost willing to bet that if someone went through your post history there would be more than one post of you saying that there is no place for sentimentality if you want to grow (or words to those effect).

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alpine_saint

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I'm almost willing to bet that if someone went through your post history there would be more than one post of you saying that there is no place for sentimentality if you want to grow (or words to those effect).

 

Nope. I think you'll find earlier in this thread I admitted to struggling with this because I do feel sentimentality.

 

I am also struggling with Fonte's p*ss-poor showings for a similar reason.

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Nope. I think you'll find earlier in this thread I admitted to struggling with this because I do feel sentimentality.

 

I am also struggling with Fonte's p*ss-poor showings for a similar reason.

 

It's a toughie, especially with Billy.

 

He is a very, very likeable guy. And with what has happened to him, you can't help but want him to succeed. BUT, these things don't come into account when a club (or any business for that matter) is looking to grow/progress in that manner that our Management have stated.

 

Nature of the beast I guess.

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Alpine - what is your problem? Of course there is room for improvement in the Saints side (letting slip leads against Man c and Man U show that). But the style of football we are playing is magnificent and hopefully once the new additions bed in the results will come. But I trust in the Saints management's judgement more than someone who, it appears, all they can do is moan and gripe about EVERYTHING.

 

As good a goal scorer as Sharp is he does not look to have the game for the Prem as he is not a big guy and does not have blistering pace. Lambert has the game.... as a big center forward who will get goals anywhere. All promoted teams have to make these tough decisions: Norwich did, west ham did and we have.............very little room for sentimentality in today's game.

 

And, lets face it, you would be at the front of the line complaining if we did not add to the squad (as you have been many, many times in the past).

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So we've (the club and the fans) tossed out the player who pushed us over the promotion line last season on the basis of his first 15mins of the season.

 

Talk about impatience/judgementality. Amazing how the likes of Goolie gets a 100 chances though...

isn't that what you want though....

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For myself personally, at this stage, I no longer trust in Nigel Adkins. I hope he recalls his treatment of Billy Sharp especially when Nigel gets treated the same by Nicola Cortese. Billy Sharp was a family friend and he played for Adkins previously., If this is how he treats his friends, I certainly have no faith in the man. He knew our failings last season, yet to date, has failed to adequately resolve them. Top heavy in strikers and Adkins gets rid of 2 of the best goal scorers. :(

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I do like Billy & he knows where the goal is he is good goal poacher however he did not offer much to the team his all round play was not good enough his 2nd touch was a header or a tackle his control & general play is just not up to the Prem I think he is class for the Championship but not a player that will be able to play at a higher level.

 

I can only see him coming back into our side if we go down it is a shame & unfair as he did not get his chance to impress in the prem but imo he was not up to it

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Alpine - what is your problem? Of course there is room for improvement in the Saints side (letting slip leads against Man c and Man U show that). But the style of football we are playing is magnificent and hopefully once the new additions bed in the results will come. But I trust in the Saints management's judgement more than someone who, it appears, all they can do is moan and gripe about EVERYTHING.

 

As good a goal scorer as Sharp is he does not look to have the game for the Prem as he is not a big guy and does not have blistering pace. Lambert has the game.... as a big center forward who will get goals anywhere. All promoted teams have to make these tough decisions: Norwich did, west ham did and we have.............very little room for sentimentality in today's game.

 

And, lets face it, you would be at the front of the line complaining if we did not add to the squad (as you have been many, many times in the past).

 

Utter rubbish.

 

I have been saying since mid-summer about the defence, because Fox and Fonte so worried me last season. When I complain about trasfer activity its about critical transfer activity. But hey, dont let the reality about me get in the way of a really good dig.

 

Yes, whoopee, we have been active in the market. More forwards and midfield, so much so we let Billy Sharp, our talisman from the last third of last season, leave us unwillingly. But well done to Nigel Burley...erm...Adkins for convincing Ramirez.

 

If you and a great fraction of our fan base want to jerk off to losing by a goal caused by weak defending but nevermind we played pretty attacking stuff, knowing it leads to relegation, then good for you.

 

I would like us to fight to stay up, and if we do go down it is with a clear conscience that we did everything we could to stay up including having the right balanced squad to give it our best shot.

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Spoke to billy today,he's not happy about going to forest,Adkins wanted to keep him but NC told him he didn't fit in with his plans,he can be recalled after the January transfer window but doesn't hold too much hope.

 

Just I thought you all might be interested.

 

Thankyou. This is an important post, so much so it deserves to stay a separate thread.

 

What have we learnt ?

 

1. Billy likes it here, didnt want him to go.

2. NA didnt want him to go.

3. NC is calling the shots with team building and tactics.

 

Just great.

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Utter rubbish.

 

I have been saying since mid-summer about the defence, because Fox and Fonte so worried me last season. When I complain about trasfer activity its about critical transfer activity. But hey, dont let the reality about me get in the way of a really good dig.

 

Yes, whoopee, we have been active in the market. More forwards and midfield, so much so we let Billy Sharp, our talisman from the last third of last season, leave us unwillingly. But well done to Nigel Burley...erm...Adkins for convincing Ramirez.

 

If you and a great fraction of our fan base want to jerk off to losing by a goal caused by weak defending but nevermind we played pretty attacking stuff, knowing it leads to relegation, then good for you.

 

I would like us to fight to stay up, and if we do go down it is with a clear conscience that we did everything we could to stay up including having the right balanced squad to give it our best shot.

 

You make no mention of the signing a goalkeeper, centre back and right back that Saints signed this summer.

 

I'd also like to know where you see Billy Sharp fitting into the 433 system or on a 7 man bench when we also have Lambert, Mayuka, Rodriguez, Puncheon, Lallana, Guly Do Prado, Tadanari Lee, Ramirez and De Ridder. Some of them are going to be left out, Sharp simply wouldn't get much game time at Saints if he was still here.

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You make no mention of the signing a goalkeeper, centre back and right back that Saints signed this summer.

 

I'd also like to know where you see Billy Sharp fitting into the 433 system or on a 7 man bench when we also have Lambert, Mayuka, Rodriguez, Puncheon, Lallana, Guly Do Prado, Tadanari Lee, Ramirez and De Ridder. Some of them are going to be left out, Sharp simply wouldn't get much game time at Saints if he was still here.

 

You state the formation, tactics and bench constituents as if they are Universal Laws of Physics. Quite ridiculous. I am beginning to understand how you in your own way cause so much irritation.

 

I am telling you, that I would have kept one bench place for him as a "Hail Mary" option in the last 20mins. He is the best goal poacher we've had in a long time, possibly since Shearer.

 

We are going to have to scrap it out a few times this season, undoubtedly. Where have I said I see him as part necessarily of the starting XI ?

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ALWAYS_SFC

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Thankyou. This is an important post, so much so it deserves to stay a separate thread.

 

What have we learnt ?

 

1. Billy likes it here, didnt want him to go.

2. NA didnt want him to go.

3. NC is calling the shots with team building and tactics.

 

Just great.

 

Please give examples of his "calling the shots" with tactics?

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And we play the first choice on that list on the wing..................................................

 

We clearly wanted a striker in January. Our priorities were probably

 

1) J-Rod

2) Hooper

3) Maynard

4) Sharp

 

We bought him in, he tipped us over the line and got us promoted. Yes he deserves a chance with us in the fans eyes, but the club have clearly decided that J-Rod has come in to replace him along with Mayuka. Are they better options than Billy? Time will tell. Feel sorry for the bloke as I really liked having him here and he clearly loved it here.

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Had we not signed Sharp in Jan window most people would be doing their nut if , as a newly promoted Premiership club,we were bringing him in now. there would be posts about a lack of ambition, posts about how he's not the level we require and contrasts made with West Ham and Reading's signing of Premiership quality strikers.

 

He seems like a nice guy and it's really sad his personal stuff, but he's a good Championship player and we're now a Premiership club. I remember Lawrie saying that you need a team to get you up and then another one once you're there. Just like Chappers and Deano, he was part of that side (a small one compared to them), but my opinion is he's not good enough for where we are now.

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Nah I'm interested! We're kicking NA on that other thread, we can kick NC on this one!
Good point. Did you know that NC has ordered NA to play at least one academy produced player in every single match this season.....all except the ones where NC decides it is best not to (like Wigan). Lallana is already an established senior player so he doesn't count.
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I am telling you, that I would have kept one bench place for him as a "Hail Mary" option in the last 20mins. He is the best goal poacher we've had in a long time, possibly since Shearer.

 

What makes you so certain Mayuka or Tadanari Lee can't perform that role? What they both have (that Sharp doesn't) is pace - a valuable asset in the Premier League.

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Thankyou. This is an important post, so much so it deserves to stay a separate thread.

 

What have we learnt ?

 

1. Billy likes it here, didnt want him to go.

2. NA didnt want him to go.

3. NC is calling the shots with team building and tactics.

 

Just great.

 

We have gone from League One in 2010 to the Premier League in 2012. What ever the management structure is, it appears to be working extremely well.

 

You also don't have any solid evidence for points 2) or 3).

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We have gone from League One in 2010 to the Premier League in 2012. What ever the management structure is, it appears to be working extremely well.

 

You also don't have any solid evidence for points 2) or 3).

 

Why would lordswoodsaints lie ? Remember, he claims to have spoken to Billy himself.

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ALWAYS_SFC

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I can guarantee it is from the horses mouth,I have no reason to lie and frankly I don't give a rats arse if you don't believe me.

I'm gutted he's gone and if what he says is true then it is a significant insight into the workings of the club and the relationship between chairman and manager good or bad.

 

No reason to disbelieve you Lordswood but the highlighted line may hold the answer.

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Oh if only life was that simple. I think the days of Chairman and Manager bashing it out between themselves are long gone. Les Reed, Andy Crosby and Dean Wilkins - probably Nick Harvey too - would all have been involved in the decision. And they will all take collective responsibility for the outcome, because they are professsionals.

 

Personally I did not want to see Sharp go. I think he has something quite different to offer compared to the others and he is great at holding people off in a tussle. Lambert does the same but I've not seen it to the same extent from anyone else.

 

In 4-3-3 you need 3 strikers and 3 back up strikers. Even assuming you play Gaston in the hole behind the front three, you would still have 7 strikers to pick.

 

Still. We know what Sharp can do. We really do not yet know the full potential for Mayuka or Lee (or even Gaston come to that!). It may be one of them fails to fit in or make the grade this first part of the season in which case Sharp can return to first team contention with bags of playing time from Forest.

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I can guarantee it is from the horses mouth,I have no reason to lie and frankly I don't give a rats arse if you don't believe me.

I'm gutted he's gone and if what he says is true then it is a significant insight into the workings of the club and the relationship between chairman and manager good or bad.

 

Not saying you're lying.... but who knows if Billy embelished the story a bit. Maybe Nigel wimped out and decided to blame it on NC " look Billy I want you but the chairman doesn't"

 

I'd hate to think the chairman is telling the manager what team to pick but this is only one story ,and only one side of it, so I'm not quite ready to storm SMS pitch fork and flaming torch in hand just yet.

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I can guarantee it is from the horses mouth,I have no reason to lie and frankly I don't give a rats arse if you don't believe me.

I'm gutted he's gone and if what he says is true then it is a significant insight into the workings of the club and the relationship between chairman and manager good or bad.

 

 

 

Lordswood - are you saying Cortese, not Adkins, told Sharp he was going. And Adkins told Sharp he wanted him to stay?

 

Just want to check we're reading this right?

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Many moons ago i used to go and watch Fulham when thay where in the lower divisions , Jimmy Hill (chairman) used to regularly (before the end of the match) go to the dugout and sit beside Don Mckay who was manager at the time ......

 

I seem to recall that Jimmy Hill had a professional football career...

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In all honesty I find the OP's information entirely believable. What is more I suspect (but don't know for sure) that the managers input re this summers transfer targets was of distinctly secondary importance.

 

It is fit and proper that the Chairman runs the club of course, but if/when they start to think that they should be running the team as well that's a pretty sure sign of trouble ahead is it not?

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Feel sorry for him. He had a big interview in one of the nationals a few weeks before saying how much he liked living down here and how being with us was helping get over the death of Luey.

 

To me it feels like he's been tossed aside for a newer and "better" model.

 

I reckon we might end up regretting this.

 

If you want loyalty, buy a dog... ;)

 

One thing I like about Adkins is a ruthless understanding of a player's level.

 

Barney helped us out of League One.

Billy out of the Championship.

 

In days when footballers hold all the trump cards over their contracts, I'm afraid it's the only way to be.

 

I'm equally sure that Nigel would have been 100% professional in his dealings with it, as would have been the Chairman.

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Lordswood - are you saying Cortese, not Adkins, told Sharp he was going. And Adkins told Sharp he wanted him to stay?

 

Just want to check we're reading this right?

 

Not really sure CB to be honest,he didn't really get into the nitty gritty but what I can gather is it wasn't Adkins choice to let him go,how it came about or how the news was broken to him wasn't disclosed.

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