maysie Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Agree with rebel, toe_punt, sammysaint and Pat Nevin. A real feeling of sadness about this one for me. Far too soon. It may have been a case of us going 'Forest have come in for you Billy, we're happy for you to stay but wanted to let you know as you probably won't start that many games for us this season'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 It may have been a case of us going 'Forest have come in for you Billy, we're happy for you to stay but wanted to let you know as you probably won't start that many games for us this season'.... No sensible views allowed. But yeah, that's probably exactly how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 It may have been a case of us going 'Forest have come in for you Billy, we're happy for you to stay but wanted to let you know as you probably won't start that many games for us this season'.... Oh, I agree. Just seems a pity he wasnt really still in our plans. That is what makes me sad. Might never get his shot at the PL now. At least it seems Forest geuninely want him and he will be well supported there. And maybe he might feel happier back up North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Fantastic deal for forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Disappointed Billy is leaving, seemed a top bloke, and deserved his chance at Prem level. He is a goalscorer, pure and simple and with our new found pace and guile, in Mayuka and Ramirez, BS might have flourished. A bit of a paradox really, as BS did not always offer us a lot , (pace, cunning etc,) but he did offer us something different, a goalscorers instnct, and out of our squad (pre-wndow) Sharp certainly complimented Lambert best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Oh, I agree. Just seems a pity he wasnt really still in our plans. That is what makes me sad. I didn't think sentiment entered your thoughts regarding Saints. I thought all that mattered was results? The fact is we had a choice. Stick with Sharp or buy Mayuka. Which would you have prefered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Thanks Billy. You scored such important goals for us: you pretty much got us promoted. Mini-legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I didn't think sentiment entered your thoughts regarding Saints. I thought all that mattered was results? Well, apparently not. I think he made a difference last season, and maybe considering the awful bereavement he has suffered as a fellow father of young kids I just want him to be happy and being offloaded at the first sniff of reaching the top seems desperately unfortunate. The fact is we had a choice. Stick with Sharp or buy Mayuka. Which would you have prefered? I cant answer that, since I dont know enough about Mayuka to have a feeling either way as to whether it will work out. But I do feel Billy would have worked out in some capacity, perhaps impact sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 legend imo, good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Very sorry to see him go,can't get my head round that one yet despite sensible views on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 See Forest have signed Coppinger too. Will supply a few for Sharp as he did at Doncaster. Forest could challenge this season though 11 new players might take a while to gel or worse do a Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Good luck Billy, always a warm welcome for you back here. Thanks for the goals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Oh, I agree. Just seems a pity he wasnt really still in our plans. That is what makes me sad. Might never get his shot at the PL now. At least it seems Forest geuninely want him and he will be well supported there. And maybe he might feel happier back up North. It's a bit easier for me as I did not believe he had the game for the Premier but I do strongly sympathise with your view. I don't believe Ricky is that far from Billy's position either and of the two players it would be even more of a wrench to see Ricky go. By now both the fans and players know after the Wigan game that big changes were needed as no one would come out the other side, at least now we have a chance. When Adkins got all melancholy after winning promotion he alluded to this sort of scenario in hoping all would get their chance. He realises now it's just not practical and we all have to move on, grateful for what those we leave behind have contributed. It's a tough old world and this is one of those sink or swim moments that life throws up.If we had not of made this step and things continued in the manner of the first two games, I expect Billy would have wanted out after enough of that start and the fans wishing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Great player and I hoped he would've been given more of a chance to show what he can do in the Prem. Good luck, Billy. Just hope we stay up this year. If not, i hope you stick with us to fire us back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McGrath's Jockstrap Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Reading between the lines he is gutted to go. I think people forget as well as earning good wages there is a human element in all of this. Why would he want to go to Forest apart from getting a game every week?. It's not as though he had too much choice in the matter however knowing that a) his manager doesn't rate him in the PL, b) he would be warming the bench a lot. I'm sure his partner is overjoyed at the prospect of a year in Nottingham (not). Truth of the matter is...he is and will be a goal machine in the Championship, he isn't quite PL standard (especially in any formation except 4-4-2), he got us promoted at the time when we sucking air for scoring goals. Top bloke and if we get relegated we may well need him again.....and he will be warmly welcomed by all true Saints fans.....such is football !!. Ole Ole Ole Ole Billy Sharp Sharp!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 "all is not lost for us" ? Why is there always a sinister undertone to your posts? What does this even mean? For Christ sake I meant he is on loan therefore he remains our player - what is it with this sinister undertone ****e? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Surely he means that if we do go down, we have him back and have proven firepower to get ourselves up again. Thank you S-Clarke - sometimes I really do not understand people on this forum - you have "got" exactly what I was saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I cant answer that, since I dont know enough about Mayuka to have a feeling either way as to whether it will work out. But I do feel Billy would have worked out in some capacity, perhaps impact sub. That's odd, given that in the other thread you stated unequivocably that you would rather we had kept Sharp and not signed Ramirez AND Rodriguez. Its almost as if your posts have more basis in the reaction they'll get rather than what you actually believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I'm pleased its a loan deal. Sharpy was a terrific signing for us last season, just look at a few of his poachers goals; first one against Cov stands out, obviously. I'd hoped he would stay on here and get a crack at the prem. That said, I wonder whether he really wanted to be this far south. I remember smirker and I discussed that when he signed, we both thought his 'signing on' interview was the most underwhelmed ever seen. As I said at the time though, he had other far more important matters to deal with, and he was fully entitled to cope with that. Did a great job for us, good luck Billy. Personally would love to see him back in a Saints shirt one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I cant answer that, since I dont know enough about Mayuka to have a feeling either way as to whether it will work out. But I do feel Billy would have worked out in some capacity, perhaps impact sub. fair point, but what kind of impact does a slow, short goal hanger actually offer? An impact players changes a game with his all round play. Sharp is the kind of guy you need to play the full game and just hope a chance comes his way. He is not an impact sub. Mayuka at least offers pace and tricks that can change the pattern of play. That's an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lydlinch saints Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 complely lost the plot letting billy go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 We now have Ramirez, Myuka, Lambert, Lallana, Lee, J Rod, and Gully competing for 3 or 4 starting positions. Unfortunately Billy was one too many, even his most blinkered supporters would struggle to shoe-horn him into that starting X1 or even onto the bench. We should all be thankful for what he did for us and wish him well, great move for him and the Forest/O'Driscoll combo should go close this season. Top bloke but I'll always remember him for that miss at West Ham, a top 10 I-was-there Saints moment from the last few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 That's odd, given that in the other thread you stated unequivocably that you would rather we had kept Sharp and not signed Ramirez AND Rodriguez. Its almost as if your posts have more basis in the reaction they'll get rather than what you actually believe... I was asked in this case a comparative question about Sharp and Mayuka. And I answered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I feel kinda sad with billy leaving, but I also appreciate the EPl is no place for sentiment. Billy , good luck and best wishes, I hope football and life deal you a good hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I agree with Maysie that it wasn't a case of us wanting to sell him, more that we told him that clubs were in for him and he won't be a starting player for us this season. The chance to link up with O'Driscoll again would have been tempting for him, i'm sure. I'm sure it's not the last we'll see of him in a Saints shirt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I agree with Maysie that it wasn't a case of us wanting to sell him, more that we told him that clubs were in for him and he won't be a starting player for us this season. The chance to link up with O'Driscoll again would have been tempting for him, i'm sure. I'm sure it's not the last we'll see of him in a Saints shirt though. Why do you think that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I agree with Maysie that it wasn't a case of us wanting to sell him, more that we told him that clubs were in for him and he won't be a starting player for us this season. The chance to link up with O'Driscoll again would have been tempting for him, i'm sure. I'm sure it's not the last we'll see of him in a Saints shirt though. I suppose if we get relegated we could have him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Why do you think that ? Circumstances at the club will almost certainly be different by the end of this season. Players could have moved on, players could be injured for extended periods of time or players could be underperforming. That could mean a chance for Billy back here, which i'm sure he'd jump at. I can't see Forest going up this season as they've got a hell of a project building a squad worthy of promotion, so a chance for him to play in the Prem could be huge. He could bang in 30 goals for Forest this year and force his way back into our plans at the expense of SRL, Jay Rod or any of our strikers. I think it's more that he's not as versatile as our other forwards. Rickie is predominantly a centre forward, but can operate slightly deeper. Jay Rod can play as a striker or out wide, same as the likes of Ramirez, Mayuka, Tadanari and Guly who can play anywhere across the front 3. Billy is pretty much just a striker, he's just less versatile than most of our other players in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Circumstances at the club will almost certainly be different by the end of this season. Players could have moved on, players could be injured for extended periods of time or players could be underperforming. That could mean a chance for Billy back here, which i'm sure he'd jump at. I can't see Forest going up this season as they've got a hell of a project building a squad worthy of promotion, so a chance for him to play in the Prem could be huge. He could bang in 30 goals for Forest this year and force his way back into our plans at the expense of SRL, Jay Rod or any of our strikers. I think it's more that he's not as versatile as our other forwards. Rickie is predominantly a centre forward, but can operate slightly deeper. Jay Rod can play as a striker or out wide, same as the likes of Ramirez, Mayuka, Tadanari and Guly who can play anywhere across the front 3. Billy is pretty much just a striker, he's just less versatile than most of our other players in that position. But doesnt a season long loan mean there is no recall clause ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 But doesnt a season long loan mean there is no recall clause ? Not neccessarily. Most loans have a recall clause in there somewhere. I imagine we've even got one in the Forecast loan deal, just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Not neccessarily. Most loans have a recall clause in there somewhere. I imagine we've even got one in the Forecast loan deal, just in case. I very much doubt it. Season-long loans very rarely have release clauses, its kind of a big part of the deal, knowing that you can plan for the whole season with a particular player without fear of him going back at any minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I very much doubt it. Season-long loans very rarely have release clauses, its kind of a big part of the deal, knowing that you can plan for the whole season with a particular player without fear of him going back at any minute. I should imagine it'd be linked into a series of eventualities. I doubt we could recall him if we just fancied it, but if we suffered a number of injuries in his position then we could probably recall him. I think we've recalled players from season-long loans before when we've had injury problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 Not neccessarily. Most loans have a recall clause in there somewhere. I imagine we've even got one in the Forecast loan deal, just in case. As it turns out, Forecast has always been played in the wrong position and is actually a cracking left back. He just never thought to tell anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I should imagine it'd be linked into a series of eventualities. I doubt we could recall him if we just fancied it, but if we suffered a number of injuries in his position then we could probably recall him. I think we've recalled players from season-long loans before when we've had injury problems. Again, I don't think so. Its usually part of the whole arrangement for a whole season unless expressly agreed otherwise by both parties. The loaning club need the security that the player will be there all season and will write that security into the contract, there are only a limited number of loans a club cen exercise per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 August, 2012 Share Posted 31 August, 2012 I suppose if we get relegated we could have him back. Not going to happen. He won't play for us again now, nor will Hammond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 I was asked in this case a comparative question about Sharp and Mayuka. And I answered it. Stfuayp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Not going to happen. He won't play for us again now, nor will Hammond. Hope thats not true.....like both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Again, I don't think so. Its usually part of the whole arrangement for a whole season unless expressly agreed otherwise by both parties. The loaning club need the security that the player will be there all season and will write that security into the contract, there are only a limited number of loans a club cen exercise per season. Correct. The only thing that will bring him back to Saints is if Sharp has a major, season ending injury. We won't recall him. And anyway...we don't want him anymore. That's the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 A bit disappointed at first, but Forest will keep him match fit and if we suffer a glut of injuries I am sure Cortese will have made sure we can get him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 A bit disappointed at first, but Forest will keep him match fit and if we suffer a glut of injuries I am sure Cortese will have made sure we can get him back. The only thing that will bring him back is a career threatening injury, or Forest deciding not to take up the option to buy. I know its hard people but Billy Sharp is gone and he isn't coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Oh well thought he'd be a useful player to have around...but he was hardly around long enough for me to be that sad about him moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 (edited) Just saying - a player generally has to want the move...Sharp quite possibly not happy playing a bit part role - who can blame him. Oh, and with the season loans there is often no return clause - he is there for the full season. Edited 1 September, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 I can imagine him being disappointed after a pre-season in which he probably staked a stronger claim to a starting place than any other forward. Can only think that he doesn't fit the fluid front 3 formation we seem keen to play. I really hoped he would come through and figure as a key figure but obviously not going to happen. Good luck Billy, we owe you big time for the vital goals that got us up. Now go and bang in 30 for Forest. If you can do that, wonder if they would ditch you in the Prem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Let's not forget, had Lee not got injured Billy probably wouldn't have played half the games he did in our run in. What would everyone be saying about the loan then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 I was asked in this case a comparative question about Sharp and Mayuka. And I answered it. So you rate Mayuka as more valuable than Ramirez and Rodriguez combined then? Because logically there is no other conclusion from what you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Hello! Didn't see this coming! Weakens our Capital Cup team quite a bit, don't you think? I wanted to win that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Let's not forget, had Lee not got injured Billy probably wouldn't have played half the games he did in our run in. What would everyone be saying about the loan then? Hmmmm. Would have been completely pointless transfer then though wouldn't it. He would have played. And obviously, if it turned out he played only twice and never scored since signing no one would miss him now. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 I'd imagine Forest are honouring his contact for the season and he's further up North, so don't feel too sorry for him. Without his goals last season, we might never have gone up. Good luck Billy, Forest are now my Championship team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 I'm not happy about letting Billy go - mistake in my opinion. He knows where the goal is. I think Cortese has got carried away with his business plan and attempts at global branding the Saints. Don't get me wrong, the new signings look exciting, but can they stick the ball in the net like Billy? Only time will tell. If we get relegated - and that is likely - we'll need Billy back again after the others have cleared off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 1 September, 2012 Share Posted 1 September, 2012 Gonna stick some cash on him being leader scorer in the league once bookies update their lists. Any winnings will go to his charity. Anyone else wanna do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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