Bad Wolf Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 We only have 2...Should we be trying to sign another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Can get a loan in if we need one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Yes i dont think Kevin is good enough for prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Can get a loan in if we need one. Not now that we're in the PL. No loan window for us, the squad at midnight on the 1st sept is the squad we have to fly with until January. Under really exceptional circumstances the FA may allow us to have an emergency loan of a GK, but that would require Davis, Gazzenga to be injured. We also have the guy in the development squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 I'm less worried about the number of keepers we have and more worried by their actual quality. Kelvin is not good enough for this level IMO (distribution poor, doesn't dominate his area one little bit) and Gazza seems to be one foe the future rather than for right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 No, two and a youth player is fine by me if we're keeping Kelvin as number one. We've been fine with two for a few years. If both keepers get injured we should just get a loan in. I'd be happy with a better first choice, but not just with another back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 didnt Miltonroader07 cover this in one of his classic threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Not now that we're in the PL. No loan window for us, the squad at midnight on the 1st sept is the squad we have to fly with until January. Under really exceptional circumstances the FA may allow us to have an emergency loan of a GK, but that would require Davis, Gazzenga to be injured. We also have the guy in the development squad. I suspect they would prefer we call back a goalkeeper that we loaned out. But kelvin is fine (so is Kevin). Garza would not let us down if called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 I think that the replacement/departure of Kelvin (and for that matter the likes of Chappers, Hammond and Richardson) will form phase 2 of the evolution most likely at the end of the season or perhaps even in January. Within the next 12 months we will I am sure sign a top notch keeper. I would like to think that Kelvin will stay on as experienced back up and perhaps even move onto the GK coaching staff eventually. Great servant but his time is nearly up as first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Yes, have been for weeks. It is madness to only have 2 senior keepers available. Even that does not address the issue of whether Kelvin is good enough (which he isn't in my opinion). Unless that plan is for Adkins to don the gloves in an emergency we should have signed a 3rd keeper, especially if one of the options is recalling Tommy Fourpast (which I don't think is possible until next transfer window). Emergency loans are always an option even in the PL, and specifically for a keeper, but why are we relying on that option? There are keepers out there who are out of contract (Basso for instance) who would not cost the earth and would provide good cover and also help out on the training ground in the even of a problem). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 We only have 2...Should we be trying to sign another one? Yes to replace Kelvin cos he ain't good enough, we won't though, not until January t least and then who knows we might be so far adrift because we didn't act in time that it just won't matter any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Not now that we're in the PL. No loan window for us, the squad at midnight on the 1st sept is the squad we have to fly with until January. Under really exceptional circumstances the FA may allow us to have an emergency loan of a GK, but that would require Davis, Gazzenga to be injured. We also have the guy in the development squad. Were all our keepers injured when we had Casey Keller in on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 We defo need another quality GK, unfortunately KD is not good enough at this level and our No2 is not yet ready. We need a decent prem league GK, simple as! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 30 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Where did all the Kelvin hate come from?? =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Where did all the Kelvin hate come from?? =/ Nobody is saying that they hate him, simply that the goalkeeping position does/will need improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 More about CB and even more LB to be honest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Where did all the Kelvin hate come from?? =/ Nobody hates Kelvin - I think he's been a massive part of getting us to where we are now - but that doesn't mean I wouldn't mind seeing him replaced. I suspect Nigel knows he isn't quite up to the Premier League, but he is a big character in the changing room, and its about balancing out the benefits of that with footballing issues IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 (edited) We only have 2...Should we be trying to sign another one? and I'm not a " KD hater ", either..but I've been saying the same thing since BEFORE Bart went to Notts County. I've gotta lotta' flak from some names on this site, because they said (a) it would upset KD.....or .....b) we bought Gazza as a number 2. Firstly ... good talent though he maybe...Gazza is nowhere near a Premiership debut (!).....and whether KD gets upset ..suspended ....or injured....we have no realistic options. We need someone with more experience than keeping goal for an L1 side, or playing in our U21s. Any long-term absence from KD and we're truly in the s***e. ....and ringing around on a Monday trying to organise a loan keeper would be a farce. Anyone worth his beans would already be playing for someone else. In case some people haven't noticed, almost half of the other Prem. sides have at least TWO goalies with some degree of international experience. We have none. Edited 30 August, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 I think we may have underestimated how important a good keeper is at this level. Someone like Niemi was worth 10 points a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Nobody hates Kelvin - I think he's been a massive part of getting us to where we are now - but that doesn't mean I wouldn't mind seeing him replaced. I suspect Nigel knows he isn't quite up to the Premier League, but he is a big character in the changing room, and its about balancing out the benefits of that with footballing issues IMO. Strange one this fallacy that being a "character" can actually couterbalance lack in quality in performance. Same thing with De Ridder I guess, just because he tweets a lot can in no way make up for the fact that he isn't a particulary good footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 If you look at the majority of the Premier League sides they all have 3 top goalkeepers. It seems strange that we are just relying on Kelvin and a youngster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 I think we may have underestimated how important a good keeper is at this level. Someone like Niemi was worth 10 points a season. El Trabsi got Wigan 3 points on Saturday already, if we had him or someone like him we might even be on 4 points now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 If you look at the majority of the Premier League sides they all have 3 top goalkeepers. It seems strange that we are just relying on Kelvin and a youngster. This is the trouble, the top sides have 3 decent keepers each so the acceding minnows like ourselves are left with the dregs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 This is the trouble, the top sides have 3 decent keepers each so the acceding minnows like ourselves are left with the dregs. Except for Le Arse. Who was the ex-player who recently said 'why is it that Arsenal have 3 second choice keepers?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Another sea change of views i see. A few months back when anyone dared to suggest Kelvin might not be Premier league class they were shouted down. Davis .he's expereienced, deserves his chance and will be fine we were told. I agree with golden balls, some people have underestimated the difference a good keeper makes. For promoted teams the keepers and centre backs are the most important positions on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Except for Le Arse. Who was the ex-player who recently said 'why is it that Arsenal have 3 second choice keepers?' Oh the Arse, doubt if they'll even make the top 4 this time round, why I see them as our best chance of a point in the first few matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Another sea change of views i see. A few months back when anyone dared to suggest Kelvin might not be Premier league class they were shouted down. Davis .he's expereienced, deserves his chance and will be fine we were told. I agree with golden balls, some people have underestimated the difference a good keeper makes. For promoted teams the keepers and centre backs are the most important positions on the field. kelvin for ENgland..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Kelvin is fine and there is no reason why Gazza won't shine at this level if called upon. That's almost every player from last season deemed not good enough. How on earth did we get promoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Vorm, Ruddy, Kruhl, Al Habsi, Given. All decent goalkeepers playing outside the big clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Vorm, Ruddy, Kruhl, Al Habsi, Given. All decent goalkeepers playing outside the big clubs. Al Habsi is excellent IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Kelvin is fine and there is no reason why Gazza won't shine at this level if called upon. That's almost every player from last season deemed not good enough. How on earth did we get promoted? There's a big difference with playing against the likes of Doncaster, Peterborough and Millwall to Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 There's a big difference with playing against the likes of Doncaster, Peterborough and Millwall to Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea. no ****, but the fans seem to have totally forgotten the excellent performances of many of the players from last season, especially those that made (or should have made) the FA Championship team of the year. I know there is no room for sentiment in football, but players have been written off before they've even had a fair shot at the league. Two games in and Fonte and Davis are on the scrap heap apparently. Wonder if those quick to chuck them there were laughing at QPR signing a totally new squad last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Another sea change of views i see. A few months back when anyone dared to suggest Kelvin might not be Premier league class they were shouted down. Davis .he's expereienced, deserves his chance and will be fine we were told. I agree with golden balls, some people have underestimated the difference a good keeper makes. For promoted teams the keepers and centre backs are the most important positions on the field. Pretty much our weakest areas then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 no ****, but the fans seem to totally forgotten the performances of many of the players from last season, even those that made the FA Championship team of the year. I know there is no sentiment in football, but players have been written off before they've even had a fair shot at the league. Two games in and Fonte and Davis are on the scrap heap apparently. Wonder if those quick to chuck them there were laughing at QPR signing a totally new squad last season. You're quite right there should be no sentiment in football. You could argue he has had his shot at the league with Sunderland (even if he was behind one of the worst defences the league has seen). Kelvin is close to retiring and he isn't going to significantly improve. He is a good shot stopper but struggles to command his area and still flaps at crosses. We need a better keeper. I am not advocating signing an entire new squad, simply that we need a top class keeper such as Al Habsi, Vorm, Ruddy, Given, Begovic, Schwarzer. After all these keepers play for teams we should be at least aiming to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Strange one this fallacy that being a "character" can actually couterbalance lack in quality in performance. Same thing with De Ridder I guess, just because he tweets a lot can in no way make up for the fact that he isn't a particulary good footballer. Haha, don't talk nonsense. There is obviously merit in having a highly motivated, highly professional, highly experienced character in the dressing room. I think Kelvin's characteristics are the things keeping him as our no. 1 keeper for this season. It may cost us a few points, but I think Adkins is making a decision for the longer term: Kelvin in for a year to contribute experience, replaced as no. 1 next season, slowly phased out thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 I am not advocating signing an entire new squad, . new reserve keeper in Gazza, you want a first choice replacement got a new RB in Clyne, promised two new CBs, we have obviously been looking for a left back having almost signed Buttner got a new centre midfield in Davis, right winger bid for Ramirez, left winger bid for Philips bought two strikers looks like a new first team to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 El Trabsi got Wigan 3 points on Saturday already, if we had him or someone like him we might even be on 4 points now. Al-Habsi didn't have a difficult save to make, even Lallana's shot off the bar wasn't going in before he touched it. Kelvin could have mopped up everything Al-Habsi dealt with. I'm not saying he's necessarily good enough, just that it was a poor example - if Al-Habsi hadn't been so committed to pushing everything wide of the goal rather than catching, which made the efforts look much better than they were, he could have walked over and picked up half of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 FWIW Gazzaniga looked pretty solid on Tuesday, though he needs to speed up his goal kick routine and have a little more confidence in passing to the open player from our short goal-kick routines. Amusingly this was pretty much why I said strikers are easier to integrate into teams than new goalkeepers. His handling, positioning, shot-stopping and distribution otherwise looked very good. There's still the matter of getting used to what the defence will do though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Ex Saint Richard Wright having a medical at Man City. Strange transfer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 new reserve keeper in Gazza, you want a first choice replacement got a new RB in Clyne, promised two new CBs, we have obviously been looking for a left back having almost signed Buttner got a new centre midfield in Davis, right winger bid for Ramirez, left winger bid for Philips bought two strikers looks like a new first team to me. Where have I mentioned those other players? Where have I mentioned 'a new first team'? We are talking about the goalkeeper situation. Gazza is nowhere near at Prem standard, anybody can see that. Also if you are harping on about a new squad. It consists of 25 players I don't see us bringing in 25 new players, 9 at most. Which means we haven't even changed half our squad let alone an entire new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Kelv is perfectly capable, he just needs a solid and reliable defensive unit in front of him. He provided as many match winning saves last season as Lambert produced match winning goals FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Where have I mentioned those other players? Where have I mentioned 'a new first team'? We are talking about the goalkeeper situation. Gazza is nowhere near at Prem standard, anybody can see that. Also if you are harping on about a new squad. It consists of 25 players I don't see us bringing in 25 new players, 9 at most. Which means we haven't even changed half our squad let alone an entire new one. You have to have 3 keepers in the 25 or you have to leave the spot vacant, and Gazzaniga is U-21 so doesn't have to be named in the 25. So as it stands, we'll have 23 players in our squad including Kelvin and only one keeper in that list, with Gazzaniga listed as part of the U-21 contingent and two empty slots for the other GKs in the 25. They should be the only empty slots though, as we're nowhere near the 17-non homegrown player limit. To give you an idea, Arsenal only had 17 players in their "25" man squad last season (not sure how many were keepers) and about 30 U21 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Kelv is perfectly capable, he just needs a solid and reliable defensive unit in front of him. He provided as many match winning saves last season as Lambert produced match winning goals FFS. Good analogy, as they're equally as useful in the Prem. Both are borderline cases who might step up, or might not be what we need any more. Kelv saved a penalty from Silva, Lambert scored past Joe Hart. The following match Lambert didn't score and Kelv got done twice by good finishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 A very good keeper takes so much pressure off the defence, perhaps we should of gone all out to get one instead of chasing Raminez? Just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Yes i dont think Kevin is good enough for prem Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 A very good keeper takes so much pressure off the defence, perhaps we should of gone all out to get one instead of chasing Raminez? Just my thoughts. You have joined the club of people who seem to think we can only maintain one transfer deal at a time. There's no reason to think this is the case and plenty of evidence to suggest that teams can be involved in multiple negotiations for players in the same position, never mind the same team, at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 You have joined the club of people who seem to think we can only maintain one transfer deal at a time. There's no reason to think this is the case and plenty of evidence to suggest that teams can be involved in multiple negotiations for players in the same position, never mind the same team, at the same time. But we've only got one phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 You have a decent chance of getting away with having an average 'keeper if you have a dominant middle-two at the back, and you have a decent chance of getting away with having an average middle-two at the back if you have a dominant 'keeper. What you'll never get away with in the PL is having average in all three positions. I'm not ready to write-off Kelvin (although I have reservations) until we strengthen in CD and still find him lacking. I'd say the same about Fonte and Jos but for the fact that I think Nigel is fully committed to Kelvin as his starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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