Cheese on Toast Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Am I the only one who can't understand why we bought Rodriguez? When Nige bought him, he obviously knew he'd be playing the 433 formation, but it's a waste to play Rodriguez on the wing and obviously Rickie will start as Centre Forward and as we saw against city, he starts Guly in CF, so what part does Rodriguez have to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I will not rise to the bait, Dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I will not rise to the bait, Dune Stanley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Lazarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 dune!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 C**k, too harsh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rebel Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I think it was more a case of we had no one else to start on the left with Lallana in midfield. Sorry I'm going to bite! He was brought to To the club to give Lambert some competition for the role of centre forward or second striker, to give us some strength in depth in that position and eventually succeed Lambert Do you not remember the cries of despair if Lambert missed a game as we has no fallback option on the bench! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I think it was more a case of we had no one else to start on the left with Lallana in midfield. Sorry I'm going to bite! He was brought to To the club to give Lambert some competition for the role of centre forward or second striker, to give us some strength in depth in that position and eventually succeed Lambert Do you not remember the cries of despair if Lambert missed a game as we has no fallback option on the bench! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 How's your holiday going, Dune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 racist c**k Dune/Stanley/Moron whatever your new user name is...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 (edited) Am I the only one who can't understand why we bought Rodriguez? When Nige bought him, he obviously knew he'd be playing the 433 formation, but it's a waste to play Rodriguez on the wing and obviously Rickie will start as Centre Forward and as we saw against city, he starts Guly in CF, so what part does Rodriguez have to play? I don't think it's obvious at all. NA has said we have a number of alternative formations now, and yes... Jay Rod looks a bit out of place sometimes, but he's a professional footballer for **** sake. He's paid enough surely he can learn to adapt ! Whilst I don't expect RL to go to Villa (with this latest rumour ) but sooner or later ...and he's not really (what I would call )..a CF ?...and if he doesn't carry on with his goal scoring. feats.. .they'll be other candidates (like Jay Rod..just itching to get the spot. As for Guly...I'm a Guly fan and rate him a bit more than some of this site, BUT after his recent drinking spree... I don't expect him to be playing anywhere in the near future, especially as JP has found a bit of form. It seems clear than the club will fine him for his law-breaking .and he's likely to get a club suspension for a couple of weeks ... Now with Lee back in the reckoning..and Mayuka on the books.....I think everyone must learn to tow the line and play where they're told. Edited 29 August, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Because we are building for the future!! Lambert will not be around forever.and we need a squad to survive in the prem not just a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Because we are building for the future!! Lambert will not be around forever.and we need a squad to survive in the prem not just a team This. Lambert could get injured tomorrow and be out all season, you need depth. We all said last year we had no Lambert replacement, we do now. NA playing him wide whilst we had no other options, we will by Friday 11pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I have rated Dune's thread 5 stars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Rodriguez is an exceptionally talented young forward. Unfortunately his start for us has been hindered with the position he plays in, which isn't his fault - I long for the day he's played as a striker. He's terrific technically, has a nice turn of pace and his movement in the box is terrific when you watch him. He's a very clever player who has all the attributes to be a class English centre forward, I've liked the look of him since he made his debut for Burnley, he's got a real feeling of class about him. I'm still absolutely adamant he will become an England international sooner rather than later. Top prospect. That's why we bought him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I'm still absolutely adamant he will become an England international sooner rather than later. Top prospect. That's why we bought him. Not if we keep playing him out of position he wont. I feel sorry for him, he is a centre forward, this is his first taste of premiership football and the poor sod is being asked to play out wide on the left. Madness IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Not if we keep playing him out of position he wont. I feel sorry for him, he is a centre forward, this is his first taste of premiership football and the poor sod is being asked to play out wide on the left. Madness IMHO. To stick up for our management a bit, he did play on the flanks for Burnley during his rise there and he was quite effective, but I'm of the opinion that his position without question is CF. He can do a job on the flanks in the Championship, but he's well out of it in the PL. Let's stick up front and let his touch and movement do all the talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 To sell rickie this window would be madness, he's been our top scorer for since he joined and outscored both of our english signings last season (both of whom are untested in the prem). For all we know this new fella might take time to find his feet and Rickie has already shown he can score in this league. I'd expect it to be far more likely that he'll be given till christmas, that way he has time to prove himself in the prem so his cost rises and see if he fits in the team, i'm sure Nigel wouldn't take the risk to start without him in the squad now. It smacks of paper talk, or maybe Rickie's agent trying to show that if he's not a first choice he'll be happy to move, whatever it is i'd be very surprised if it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Not if we keep playing him out of position he wont. I feel sorry for him, he is a centre forward, this is his first taste of premiership football and the poor sod is being asked to play out wide on the left. Madness IMHO. FFS he isn't always going to play there for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 To stick up for our management a bit, he did play on the flanks for Burnley during his rise there and he was quite effective, but I'm of the opinion that his position without question is CF. He can do a job on the flanks in the Championship, but he's well out of it in the PL. Let's stick up front and let his touch and movement do all the talking. Yeah thats exactly my point. He is being asked to play in his least favoured position but also being asked to make the step up from the standard he is used to. Given NA's usual intelligence when it comes to players this one leaves me totally confused. Its almost like he is playing to justify the money spent on him but is not doing himself or the manager justice. When he could have played at centre forward in Rickie's absence at City we went with Guly for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 FFS he isn't always going to play there for us! Didnt say he was did I ? I'm saying at the start of his career with us and in the prem its a bit unfair on him. Unless you know him personally you cant say that this might knock his confidence can you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Yeah thats exactly my point. He is being asked to play in his least favoured position but also being asked to make the step up from the standard he is used to. Given NA's usual intelligence when it comes to players this one leaves me totally confused. Its almost like he is playing to justify the money spent on him but is not doing himself or the manager justice. When he could have played at centre forward in Rickie's absence at City we went with Guly for whatever reason. The problem is we don't have any alternatives to play there. NA has been asked to develop this formation over the summer, which is why it's migrating through the club at all levels. Looks to be why there is some significant urgency to get proper players for the positions we need to fill. No square pegs etc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Am I the only one who can't understand why we bought Rodriguez? When Nige bought him, he obviously knew he'd be playing the 433 formation, but it's a waste to play Rodriguez on the wing and obviously Rickie will start as Centre Forward and as we saw against city, he starts Guly in CF, so what part does Rodriguez have to play?Because he's a very decent player. Might take time but I think he will get to be a top premiership striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 NA has been asked to develop this formation over the summer Is it accepted that this 4-3-3 is NOT Nigel's idea then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Am I the only one who can't understand why we bought Rodriguez? When Nige bought him, he obviously knew he'd be playing the 433 formation, but it's a waste to play Rodriguez on the wing and obviously Rickie will start as Centre Forward and as we saw against city, he starts Guly in CF, so what part does Rodriguez have to play? To eventually replace Lambert, presumably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Is it accepted that this 4-3-3 is NOT Nigel's idea then ? Not entirely, it's all this ''Southampton way'' thing. They want to develop a formation that goes down through all levels, but it's not just his decision - it's a club decision at all levels apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Is it accepted that this 4-3-3 is NOT Nigel's idea then ? NA knows we need more bodies in midfield or you get passed around. No choice but to look at it IMO. Look at Wolves and Bolton who often played 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Am I the only one who can't understand why we bought Rodriguez? When Nige bought him, he obviously knew he'd be playing the 433 formation, but it's a waste to play Rodriguez on the wing and obviously Rickie will start as Centre Forward and as we saw against city, he starts Guly in CF, so what part does Rodriguez have to play? Obviously he should play only on the extreme right wing, and never ever in Europe. Ok Dune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 It is all part of a our long term strategy to replicate the team names with the 76 Cup winning side. We are presently scouting furiously for a young McCalliog, a Blythe, and a Turner as goalie, hoping to complete some deals before the window shuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Am I the only one who can't understand why we bought Rodriguez? When Nige bought him, he obviously knew he'd be playing the 433 formation, but it's a waste to play Rodriguez on the wing and obviously Rickie will start as Centre Forward and as we saw against city, he starts Guly in CF, so what part does Rodriguez have to play? Is that obvious? I'm convinced that he'll be used more sparingly this season as the 433 isn't designed to revolve around him. Our wingers aren't up to much and Rodriguez has been the best option in a not particuarly illustrious group. I doubt it's a permanent thing, hence why we've brought in Mayuka and Ramirez. Would we really have been much better with Puncheon or De Ridder wide against Wigan? I'm not convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Because we have money spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 This. Lambert could get injured tomorrow and be out all season, you need depth. We all said last year we had no Lambert replacement, we do now. NA playing him wide whilst we had no other options, we will by Friday 11pm. Sorry that doesn't make sense......why then did our normally wide player Guly start at CF when we had ROdrigues available....???? Is someone now going to say ahhhhh yes but Guly plays on the right ??? FFs play him on the left or is that his standing foot!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Because we have money spend And ST holders, who had just seen the price of the prized sesame take a massive spike, to placate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 It is all part of a our long term strategy to replicate the team names with the 76 Cup winning side. We are presently scouting furiously for a young McCalliog, a Blythe, and a Turner as goalie, hoping to complete some deals before the window shuts. But in that case we should be looking for a Turnip and some Steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 To eventually replace Lambert, presumably. This. And that might, only might, be later this season if SRL does not do as well as we all hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Sorry that doesn't make sense......why then did our normally wide player Guly start at CF when we had ROdrigues available....???? Is someone now going to say ahhhhh yes but Guly plays on the right ??? FFs play him on the left or is that his standing foot!!!!! Horses for courses. Whatever anyone says about Guly, he has very good stamina and his job first half against city was to run the centre backs. Rodriguez was mainly used out wide to link play back to Lallana to get him on the ball as often as possible. Charlie is correct, if we didn't have Rodriguez, people would be screaming out for back up for Rickie. Now we have Rodriguez who can play the same role as Lambert, people are questioning why we bought him. People need to stop being fixated on where Rodriguez has played the last two games. We're clearly just filling some gaps until we have better options out wide. Rodriguez is a centre forward and will play centre forward this season when Rickie can't/doesn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Because we are building a team for the Championship. Nige knows he's not good enough for the Premiership but figured that he'd get him early so that he's familiar with his team mates who are also only fit for life in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Because we are building a team for the Championship. Nige knows he's not good enough for the Premiership but figured that he'd get him early so that he's familiar with his team mates who are also only fit for life in the Championship. Silly me, yeah that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I have rated Dune's thread 5 stars! I have rated Deppo's reply 0 stars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 You know, nobody has ever thank me or bear for our investigation and outing Dune. I would have hoped for a curry or something at the very least. Not even a samosa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 August, 2012 Share Posted 30 August, 2012 Didnt say he was did I ? I'm saying at the start of his career with us and in the prem its a bit unfair on him. Unless you know him personally you cant say that this might knock his confidence can you ? As I recall...some people said similar things about James Beattie after we signed him....He wasn't first choice from Day One and managed only 5 goals in his first season. and none from his 8 starts (year 2).. but by the time he got some form, he scored 11, then 12... but a whopping 23 goals.in 2002/3...when he had better support from Ormerod, Marsden and Anders S.. around him. Like the legendary Ron Davies getting his fantastic wing service in the 1960's.. Lambert did well for 3 seasons - because we learned how to serve him... Now..with new players coming in, we need to find the best possible Plan B. It will undoubtedly take a few games..perhaps longer, but hopefully NA will work it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I wasn't on the forum pre-match last night, so apologies if this has been discussed. Solent did a nice interview with Eddie Howe re: Jay Rodriguez, who he managed at Burnley. Was interesting hearing his views. Says J-Rod is pretty much the total package, and has a superb work ethic as well. Thought he'll be good investment for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I wasn't on the forum pre-match last night, so apologies if this has been discussed. Solent did a nice interview with Eddie Howe re: Jay Rodriguez, who he managed at Burnley. Was interesting hearing his views. Says J-Rod is pretty much the total package, and has a superb work ethic as well. Thought he'll be good investment for us. His touch is sublime, the way he brought down that long ball from Yoshida and laid it off for Davis last night was amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 His touch is sublime, the way he brought down that long ball from Yoshida and laid it off for Davis last night was amazing. Quite right. It certainly amazed Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Great player and just what the mighty Saints needed. Playing very well and giving us the variety of play.. Well done Jay Rod and well done Saints.. Very astute signing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Despite his hard work which I admire I'm yet to be convinced he is worth the outlay to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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