saint1977 Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Looks an exciting signing, hopefully he fulfills his obvious promise. I understand some people's disappointment that we still haven't signed a CB but do we really need to hear about it for the 1000th time? There's still time yet so base your opinions on what state we're in come the weekend. On the subject of our attacking options. I think it's quite easy to believe some must be on their way out but you need options in the prem and I believe we have a good mix now. Rickie has improved his game no end and is not just a target man any more. For me he really could be our Teddy Sheringham. I know pace can be important but more important still is a good football brain. Sharp is an old fashioned poacher, the type that seems to be going out of fashion but I can't see him leaving as he offers us something different and should still score goals at this level. If we want to play 4-4-2 then Sharp is a serious option for one of those two spots up front. Modern forwards are expected to have a more rounded game. It's too simplistic to state that Lee and Mayuka are wide forwards. Personally i think we're trying to buy forwards that can play anywhere across the front in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. For me Lee could play up top as well as as a wide forward and this new chap looks the same. I believe Adkins feels JRod can do the same. Who know's maybe in the future he will. Unfortunately the prem isn't the easiest place to learn. Good post. Lambert and Sharp will definately be staying as Lambert showed what he could do at City but won't have the stamina to start 38 games at this level. Billy looked decent off the bench on Saturday and is exactly the type of eager player defenders don't want to see around 65-70 minutes when they are tiring. Plus Billy is every bit as good a finisher as Lambert. J Rod can now play in his proper position as a striker and he will rotate with Lambert just like Norwich did with Holt and Morison last year. Lee, if he stays fit, will feature away from home where we need the extra pace and Ramirez probably more at home. Looks like an excellent signing, he'll have aspects of his game to be improved for sure but we've got plenty of slow, technically adept players so he'll have a beneficial impact on those and enable us to get in behind teams, which we failed to do even once on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Are you forgetting about the squad limit ? Which forward are you happy to see the back of in order to accommodate him plus the absolutely necessary defenders that MUST be in the pipeline for the next 72 hours ? No one will have to be left out of the 25 man squad to accommodate him. Only players 22 and over are required to be named in the 25. We can use as many players as we want who are 21 or younger. Hence why he is 21 and NOT 24! Ans, not just aimed at Alps..... I honestly can't see any reason why any Saints fan would be moaning about signing such a player. He IMPROVES the SQUAD. YES, IT IS A SQUAD GAME - NOT JUST ABOUT THE BEST 11. We needed a forward with skill and pace, now we have got one!!!!! And yes, I know, we also need to improve the defence. Adkins and the entire coaching staff know this too. Adkins has constantly been saying he wants to bring in 2 new CBs and we have been linked with a number of LBs. I will be amazed of we do not sign at least one CB and a LB in the next 2 days. Good grief, we either have an awful lot of WUMs or an awful lot of idiots on here.... OR BOTH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Good post. Lambert and Sharp will definately be staying as Lambert showed what he could do at City but won't have the stamina to start 38 games at this level. Billy looked decent off the bench on Saturday and is exactly the type of eager player defenders don't want to see around 65-70 minutes when they are tiring. Plus Billy is every bit as good a finisher as Lambert. J Rod can now play in his proper position as a striker and he will rotate with Lambert just like Norwich did with Holt and Morison last year. Lee, if he stays fit, will feature away from home where we need the extra pace and Ramirez probably more at home. Looks like an excellent signing, he'll have aspects of his game to be improved for sure but we've got plenty of slow, technically adept players so he'll have a beneficial impact on those and enable us to get in behind teams, which we failed to do even once on Saturday. Sorry to pick holes but what exactly did Sharp do on Saturday which made him look "decent"? Did he even get a touch? Not saying it's his fault as we where hoofing it by the time he came on but for me, he offered nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I like Sharp and he is a goalscorer but he isnt the kind of player a team "hates to see come off the bench" in a Prem game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I like Sharp and he is a goalscorer but he isnt the kind of player a team "hates to see come off the bench" in a Prem game. Depends on if he scores or not I would have thought. They'd fookin hate to see it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 At last we have signed Henri Camera's replacement. I love these skilful, fast slightly unknown quantities from Africa. He looks exciting on the ball and if he score's we get to see some gymnastics as well. With a bit of luck that will see us sell Sharp to Forest. Not sure why there is so much clamour for a CB. It was up front and out wide where we looked poor on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 (edited) Not sure why there is so much clamour for a CB. We have no depth at CB at all, if Fonte or Hooiveld are injured or suspended we have to play Seaborne. Beyond that it would be Richardson out of position or young Stephens. Edited 29 August, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Mayuka here is my free advice to you!Displine is cardinal in every activity that a man undertakes in life.please keep away from- beer,women especially amaule and smoking.These evils if you indulge in them they will ursurp your energy and hence you may be rendered ineffective during football matches.Also avoid bad company each time you travel to zambia during holidays.This is the time when zambian players get spoilled.Remember Mbesuma how he got spoilled with SHAKE-SHAKE beer(commonly known as fimbesuma or ici -brick)in Luanshya .Therefore,iwe mwaice be focussed if you want to succeed and not end up like the litanas,Tanas,Kajiyas of this world .Beware also of Bafuunzi(self-employeed bodyguards)who may hoover around you hero-worshipping you for a cut.Invest whatever you will be getting into real estate back home and not amahuule and beer. The Eyes of an Eagle. - August 29, 2012 13:05 http://www.zambianwatchdog.com/2012/08/29/southampton-signs-mayuka/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 We have no depth at CB at all, if Fonte or Hooiveld are injured or suspended we have to play Seaborne. Beyond that it would be Richardson out of position or young Stephens. and er, Cork as well, but it's not the lack of depth that seems to concern people its more about the abilities of Fonte and Jos, who I think will do OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 and er, Cork as well, but it's not the lack of depth that seems to concern people its more about the abilities of Fonte and Jos, who I think will do OK. Lets say Hooiveld was injured in training today, you would be comfortable to see Seaborne, Cork, Richardson or Stephens start at centre back on Sunday vs Man Utd or indeed any other Premier League game this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Lets say Hooiveld was injured in training today, you would be comfortable to see Seaborne, Cork, Richardson or Stephens start at centre back on Sunday vs Man Utd or indeed any other Premier League game this season? Answer: No. But whist we are at it we obviously should target better defenders than Fonte and Hooiveld ratehr than just getting bodies in who are not going to improve the team but will improve the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 and er, Cork as well, but it's not the lack of depth that seems to concern people its more about the abilities of Fonte and Jos, who I think will do OK. For me its both. We have no depth to speak of, and two defenders who IMO are not good enough together for a mid-lower table Premier League side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 This is going to sound grumpy but to me, this signing has the hallmark of a Jonathan Forte or a Steve de Ridder signing. I just don't get it. Never seen the guy play but just watched some youtube clips. He really doesn't seem all that, some of the 'highlights' were mis-controls and mis-placed passes. I really don't think this guy will get near to becoming a regular starter. A 5 year contract is a hell of a commitment too. Hope I'm proved wrong, but something just doesn't feel right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 This is going to sound grumpy but to me, this signing has the hallmark of a Jonathan Forte or a Steve de Ridder signing. I just don't get it. Never seen the guy play but just watched some youtube clips. He really doesn't seem all that, some of the 'highlights' were mis-controls and mis-placed passes. I really don't think this guy will get near to becoming a regular starter. A 5 year contract is a hell of a commitment too. Hope I'm proved wrong, but something just doesn't feel right. That's the spirit. Hope you're prepared to take the abuse when this posting is resurrected in a few months time. ;~) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 This is going to sound grumpy but to me, this signing has the hallmark of a Jonathan Forte or a Steve de Ridder signing. I just don't get it. Never seen the guy play but just watched some youtube clips. He really doesn't seem all that, some of the 'highlights' were mis-controls and mis-placed passes. I really don't think this guy will get near to becoming a regular starter. A 5 year contract is a hell of a commitment too. Hope I'm proved wrong, but something just doesn't feel right. Only seen a video of him myself but thought he looked very useful - scores with both feet and head. A few tricks at pace and pace. Holds the ball up well and distributes it well. Looked like he can come short as well as play off the last defender. Looked good when on the right as the provider. Yep only a video I know but looked good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 That's the spirit. Hope you're prepared to take the abuse when this posting is resurrected in a few months time. ;~) By all means. Its all about nailing your colours to the mast! Where's the fun on a forum if past comments, proven to be wrong, can't be ridiculed? Likewise, where's the fun on a forum if you can't gloat when you get the odd one right...? Just got a feeling I'll be right about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I'm struggling to remember this dudes name, might help if I could pronounce it. Anyone know? Is it like Marr-You-Car? Or praps llike May-Oooh!-Kay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 and er, Cork as well, but it's not the lack of depth that seems to concern people its more about the abilities of Fonte and Jos, who I think will do OK. Five goals conceded in two matches rather points to needing to tighten up the back ....unless the plan is to have so much firepower upfront we can afford to concede 2-3 goals a game and still win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I'm struggling to remember this dudes name, might help if I could pronounce it. Anyone know? Is it like Marr-You-Car? Or praps llike May-Oooh!-Kay? I'd hazard a guess at My Oooooo! Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 That's the spirit. Hope you're prepared to take the abuse when this posting is resurrected in a few months time. ;~) African cup of nations golden boot, 21 and over 30 caps for his country at such a young age, pipe down pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 African cup of nations golden boot, 21 and over 30 caps for his country at such a young age, pipe down pal. Quoted the wrong 'poster', the abusive post was for Tom28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Very very quick by all accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 African cup of nations golden boot, 21 and over 30 caps for his country at such a young age, pipe down pal. 3 goals. Also is he really just 21 or doing a Kanu on us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 If we give him the service???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 If we give him the service???? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 What? It's football talk for giving him the ball HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 It's football talk for giving him the ball HTH. So you're asking if we will be giving him the ball? Sorry, looked like half a sentence with no reference to any other post etc. To answer your question then, yes I think we will pass him the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 He says on Facebook (if that really is him on there) that he will be playing against Man Utd: Great, but I don't think Adkins or Cortese will be happy if they see that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Membership sorted then Syd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 So you're asking if we will be giving him the ball? Sorry, looked like half a sentence with no reference to any other post etc. To answer your question then, yes I think we will pass him the ball. I answered post 322 but 323 beat me to it. It's not about passing the ball to him, like DeRidder getting the ball facing his own goal, and the full back bypassing him trying to overlap. Pace needs the ball well in front in the opponents half or to be given quick ball in own half to use pace on the break. We have to tailor our service to his strengths not expect him to indulge in passfests in slow motion while the opponents consolidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Membership sorted then Syd Yes, cheers for helping with that mate, I couldn't thank you the other day for it as I had made my 3rd post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I answered post 322 but 323 beat me to it. It's not about passing the ball to him, like DeRidder getting the ball facing his own goal, and the full back bypassing him trying to overlap. Pace needs the ball well in front in the opponents half or to be given quick ball in own half to use pace on the break. We have to tailor our service to his strengths not expect him to indulge in passfests in slow motion while the opponents consolidate. I agree, however, it will also depend on whether the team consider that releasing the ball earlier to Muyaka will result in an end product which was severely lacking with De Ridder. It's down to the player to show the team that giving it to him early to ultilise his pace will actually result in a chance rather than the concession of possession, a key feature of our game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 He says on Facebook (if that really is him on there) that he will be playing against Man Utd: Great, but I don't think Adkins or Cortese will be happy if they see that! Just said it on twitter as well. Don't think this will go down well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Just said it on twitter as well. Don't think this will go down well. Exactly. Not a good start. Do we know if these social media accounts are definitely him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 He says on Facebook (if that really is him on there) that he will be playing against Man Utd: Great, but I don't think Adkins or Cortese will be happy if they see that! I'm sure it means we've received clearance for him to play rather than him starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 3 goals. Also is he really just 21 or doing a Kanu on us? Posted this yesterday, apparently he is approx 24 yo. He doesn't have a birth certificate and his mother doesn't know. Straight up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I agree, however, it will also depend on whether the team consider that releasing the ball earlier to Muyaka will result in an end product which was severely lacking with De Ridder. It's down to the player to show the team that giving it to him early to ultilise his pace will actually result in a chance rather than the concession of possession, a key feature of our game It's down to the team to utilise this guy's pace not for him to forage for scraps that DeRidder had to do. I wouldn't want to be players that decided to ignore that, as I think without buying into this guy's strengths we won't get anywhere. If that happens the results will be poor and the management sacked and more of the players replaced in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I'm sure it means we've received clearance for him to play rather than him starting. That's what I think as well. Why would we tell his agent that he's playing. Telling his agent that he's eligible to play is more plausible considering we were waiting for intl clearance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I'm sure it means we've received clearance for him to play rather than him starting. Hopefully that's what he means and he just hasn't phrased it very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 It's down to the team to utilise this guy's pace not for him to forage for scraps that DeRidder had to do. I wouldn't want to be players that decided to ignore that, as I think without buying into this guy's strengths we won't get anywhere. If that happens the results will be poor and the management sacked and more of the players replaced in January. You're missing my point. If you have a player on your team who gives the ball away 9/10 times, what generally tends to happen with that player?..... they stop getting the ball from their team mates. The fact that De Ridder ended up feeding off scraps as you put it was more down to him and his lack of end product when he DID have the ball in good positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 It's down to the team to utilise this guy's pace not for him to forage for scraps that DeRidder had to do. I wouldn't want to be players that decided to ignore that, as I think without buying into this guy's strengths we won't get anywhere. If that happens the results will be poor and the management sacked and more of the players replaced in January. As I said on the other thread, I don't think the problem is how we set up. Its a matter of trust. We got the ball to the AOC in decent positions and exploited his pace; we didn't with SDR. The explanation is simple. The rest of the team trusted AOC; it obviously didn't have the same confidence in SDR. Also its not an either/or. Swansea show you can play slow build-up football that seems to be going nowhere but combine it with injections of pace and quick counterattacking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 You're missing my point. If you have a player on your team who gives the ball away 9/10 times, what generally tends to happen with that player?..... they stop getting the ball from their team mates. The fact that De Ridder ended up feeding off scraps as you put it was more down to him and his lack of end product when he DID have the ball in good positions. Agree. If the problem was how we set up, AOC would have never seen the ball. We used his pace to great effect - one reason why we've been clamouring for pace for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 As I said on the other thread, I don't think the problem is how we set up. Its a matter of trust. We got the ball to the AOC in decent positions and exploited his pace; we didn't with SDR. The explanation is simple. The rest of the team trusted AOC; it obviously didn't have the same confidence in SDR. Also its not an either/or. Swansea show you can play slow build-up football that seems to be going nowhere but combine it with injections of pace and quick counterattacking football. We can pass it around but now if we put in pacy players the others will have to utilise those strengths as Swansea do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I answered post 322 but 323 beat me to it. It's not about passing the ball to him, like DeRidder getting the ball facing his own goal, and the full back bypassing him trying to overlap. Pace needs the ball well in front in the opponents half or to be given quick ball in own half to use pace on the break. We have to tailor our service to his strengths not expect him to indulge in passfests in slow motion while the opponents consolidate. Not 100% true. Maybe true of one dimensional players that rely solely on pace but this guy hopefully has a bit more about him than that. Change of pace is also important and having a trick or two in the locker helps. A couple of the clips on the video show him beating a man from a standing start a la Ronaldo. If this chap is a good as he looks we won't be changing our style for him, he'll be fitting with ours. I do agree that we will be able to mix it up a bit more though and should make the effort to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 We can pass it around but now if we put in pacy players the others will have to utilise those strengths as Swansea do. Yes...as we did with AOC. Remember Morgan pinging several quality balls Into his path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 We can pass it around but now if we put in pacy players the others will have to utilise those strengths as Swansea do. Yep agree. As I say, Adkins has shown that he can exploit pace and that players will provide the service as long as they have confidence in the player - Oxlade-Chamberlain being a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Yes...as we did with AOC. Remember Morgan pinging several quality balls Into his path. That was in Div 1, Morgan isn't pinging anybody in the Premier up to now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 That was in Div 1, Morgan isn't pinging anybody in the Premier up to now. His passing ability doesn't get worse in a higher division, it's that none of our players make runs like AOC did. If Mayuka makes good runs Schneiderlin is good enough to pick him out. Ditto Lallana, Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 That was in Div 1, Morgan isn't pinging anybody in the Premier up to now. He's had no one with pace to ping it to in the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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