Saint in Paradise Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Makes a pleasant change 51 - 3 after 13 overs Broad 3 for 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 17 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2008 (edited) I spoke too soon, now 157 - 3 Finished 292 - 9 Yuvrag got 118 from 122 balls and Pathan 50 from 29 balls Edited 17 November, 2008 by Saint in Paradise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Bell end Bell has run himself out in the first over :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Bell end Bell has run himself out in the first over :-( Why do England bother with Bell-end? He's just a bottler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 maybe still a chance if KP and Freddie can stay in. One of them goes, then forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 mmmmmmmmm sod it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 7 down now...bit rubbish really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Peter Moores is awful at International level, I hate seeing England lose but a few more defeats like this might rid us of the tosser. Get back to the counties and let someone who understands cricket at that level take control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 One positive to take from today's game is that at least Flintoff looks as though he's back in decent nick with the bat. He got an absolutely shocking decision against him in the first game, so couldn't really judge how he was looking, but today's knock was decent. The real blow was losing both him and Pietersen in the same over - that pretty much killed it when it looked as though we might have a chance of rescuing the game. Certainly an improvement on the first game, although they'd have found it difficult to be any worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 One positive to take from today's game is that at least Flintoff looks as though he's back in decent nick with the bat. He got an absolutely shocking decision against him in the first game, so couldn't really judge how he was looking, but today's knock was decent. The real blow was losing both him and Pietersen in the same over - that pretty much killed it when it looked as though we might have a chance of rescuing the game. Certainly an improvement on the first game, although they'd have found it difficult to be any worse! Agreed Steve and it was a shocker in the first game, the ball pitched so far outside leg that it may as well have pitched in China! Remember Hussain getting one of those in Sri Lanka a few years ago. Moores is clueless though, Bopara got 50n.o last time yet good old counties Peter still bats him at 8. His bowling, whilst not world-beating, is now superior to Collingwood's yet Colly can keept get single-figure scores as he's Peter's friend yet Ravi doesn't bowl an over. I don't always agree with Darren Gough but I do on this - England's ODI selection is based on facial fit and not ability or form. If it wasn't, Colly (who has performed in the past to be fair) and Bell (who has only 1 ODI ton and has done very little in ODIs when it counts) wouldn't be in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 Moores is clueless though, Bopara got 50n.o last time yet good old counties Peter still bats him at 8. He batted further up the order in the first game and his first action was to run out KP who was one of our only hopes of chasing down the ridiculous total set. I agree that he probably *should* be higher up, but he doesn't do himself any favours with his abysmal running decisions. His bowling, whilst not world-beating, is now superior to Collingwood's yet Colly can keept get single-figure scores as he's Peter's friend yet Ravi doesn't bowl an over. Not sure I'd agree with that - in my opinion, Collingwood is still a far more accomplished part-time bowler than Bopara. I'd entirely agree about his batting, but you could then also make the case for Collingwood's fielding ability (I don't think there's a better fielder in the squad) often being worth the number of runs he now seems unable to score with the bat. I don't always agree with Darren Gough but I do on this - England's ODI selection is based on facial fit and not ability or form. If it wasn't, Colly (who has performed in the past to be fair) and Bell (who has only 1 ODI ton and has done very little in ODIs when it counts) wouldn't be in the squad. Bell is the ultimate 30s and 40s player - gets in, looks well set, and then plays a stupid shot to get out. I'm not sure who else I'd have opening the batting right now though. Prior does exactly the same, plays some good shots to get in and then skies one to give his wicket away. I understand Gough's comments, although I personally think it applies more to the Twenty20 side that went to Antigua. Alistair Cook was in that squad... I mean, really? He's the most non-Twenty20 player I've seen in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 17 November, 2008 Share Posted 17 November, 2008 He batted further up the order in the first game and his first action was to run out KP who was one of our only hopes of chasing down the ridiculous total set. I agree that he probably *should* be higher up, but he doesn't do himself any favours with his abysmal running decisions. Not sure I'd agree with that - in my opinion, Collingwood is still a far more accomplished part-time bowler than Bopara. I'd entirely agree about his batting, but you could then also make the case for Collingwood's fielding ability (I don't think there's a better fielder in the squad) often being worth the number of runs he now seems unable to score with the bat. Bell is the ultimate 30s and 40s player - gets in, looks well set, and then plays a stupid shot to get out. I'm not sure who else I'd have opening the batting right now though. Prior does exactly the same, plays some good shots to get in and then skies one to give his wicket away. I understand Gough's comments, although I personally think it applies more to the Twenty20 side that went to Antigua. Alistair Cook was in that squad... I mean, really? He's the most non-Twenty20 player I've seen in recent years. Fair comments Steve, I did curse at Bopara for running out KP on Friday. I like Colly a lot as a player and met him in 2004 and top bloke as well. He's taken some stunning catches but can't rely on a brave century every 6-12 months to keep him in the side. I just think Bopara's time is coming and Colly might be the candidate to make way. Bell clearly has the natural ability to be a success but either has a mental block akin to Ramprakash or just doesn't have the hunger for the top level. Also, I don't mind Moores picking Prior but please Peter, bat him at 7 or so, Sanath Jayasariah he isn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 18 November, 2008 Share Posted 18 November, 2008 Peter Moores is awful at International level, I hate seeing England lose but a few more defeats like this might rid us of the tosser. Get back to the counties and let someone who understands cricket at that level take control. i disagree, i think the changes he has made on and off the field will come good. Dont judge him on this tour of India, they smashed the aussies too. A very hard place to go and get a result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 18 November, 2008 Share Posted 18 November, 2008 He batted further up the order in the first game and his first action was to run out KP who was one of our only hopes of chasing down the ridiculous total set. I agree that he probably *should* be higher up, but he doesn't do himself any favours with his abysmal running decisions. Has has batted at #8 in both games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 It's all rather silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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