Windmill Arm 2 Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Maybe Rickie is on his way, considering we've now bought 2 strikers this summer.Oooooh you'd love it LOVE IT wouldn't you me old misery guts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Does Rickie have in his contract a clause about being the top wage earner? Make sense to sell if higher waged players are being brought in. Rickie maybe worth say 25k per week but not 50k if a 50k wage player is brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Looks like hell be gone by friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 For the sake of humouring the idea of Rickie being sold, difficult though it may be. It would be an incredibly ruthless and unpopular thing to do, he has surely earnt his chance to play at this level, for us. He is still our talisman, and the turnaround against man city shows that he can provide a positive influence in this league. The change in tactics we are seeing right now though do give the impression that something has to give. All these attackers and a system that no longer seems to play to Rickie's individual strengths? Is he being removed as the focal point? He has earnt the chance to play in the Premier League and it would make no sense to risk selling him to a direct rival thus strengthening them. If it was my call, he stays and fights for a place in the team. I dearly hope he doesn't go but could see a warped logic in his departure if it came to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Oooooh you'd love it LOVE IT wouldn't you me old misery guts. Why does pointing out that Rickie may leave suggest that anyone would love it if he goes?!? Its a real possibility he'll leave this window. We can't keep the number of forwards we have happy (or accomodate them in a 25 man squad) so at least one of the forwards will be moved on imo. I have a feeling that Rickie won't be the sacrifial lamb. I think the front 3 tonight were playing for their futures and wouldn't be surprised if Lee made way as well as SDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 I would honestly rather give it a go with Rickie even if it decreased our chances of staying up. The man got us here and deserves his chance. Not going to be sold though as I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 He has at least a season with us in the PL surely? After all he has done for us, it would be massively unpopular with our fans if he was to leave. I personally can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 He has at least a season with us in the PL surely? After all he has done for us, it would be massively unpopular with our fans if he was to leave. I personally can't see it. I don't think we need much more evidence that Cortese doesn't "do" sentiment, or that he will do what he believes to be the right thing - regardless of how well or poorly it's received by the fan base. He has long been committed to "the Southampton way", and it's clear from the signings and especially the pursuit of Ramirez (still stunning, even though we're now somewhat used to it) that we're going to be playing a different kind of football. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Adkins was told that the price of signing Ramirez is losing Rickie. Especially if the excellent point made by Amesbury (above) is correct. It also wouldn't surprise me if both deals were formally announced on the same day, with getting Ramirez dulling the shock and reducing the controversy of losing Rickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiesaint20 Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Why is there such a 'QPR' transfer mentality on here. The need to bring in seven or eight big names on big salaries with a vision only to the current season. I must say I'm pleased that it appears we have a longer term vision with our transfers. Emmanuel is 21, Rickie is 30 it doesn't read as Rickie being pushed out, it reads as adding young quality that will push for spots and ultimately replace Rickie's place in the side when age/retirement catches up to him. If we can sign Ramirez and a defender or two I think we've done very well in this window. Still keeping the base team from our previous two seasons while adding class in a few needed areas. Try not to forget the value that a settled squad adds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I would honestly rather give it a go with Rickie even if it decreased our chances of staying up. The man got us here and deserves his chance. Not going to be sold though as I said. What? Get relegated just so Rickie can enjoy his moment in the sun? Pathetic. Arguably Davis and Fonte have "got us here" too but people are quite content to cast them aside now. Perhaps we should give it a go with them too, and Hammond, coz of what they've done for us. Forget sentiment, if Rickie is deeemed not good enough, or a big bid comes in , he'll be gone. Cortese's plans don't involve sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 What? Get relegated just so Rickie can enjoy his moment in the sun? Pathetic. Arguably Davis and Fonte have "got us here" too but people are quite content to cast them aside now. Perhaps we should give it a go with them too, and Hammond, coz of what they've done for us. Forget sentiment, if Rickie is deeemed not good enough, or a big bid comes in , he'll be gone. Cortese's plans don't involve sentiment. Arguably nothing, without Davis and Fonte we wouldn't even have got out of league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Also, if Lambert leaves I will eat my hat. Videotaped for the interwebs pleasure of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Arguably nothing, without Davis and Fonte we wouldn't even have got out of league 1. Not sure I understand your point. Do you share Hypo's opinion that players should be given a go as they helped get us promoted? I'm pretty sure NA and NC don't think that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I don't think we need much more evidence that Cortese doesn't "do" sentiment, or that he will do what he believes to be the right thing - regardless of how well or poorly it's received by the fan base. He has long been committed to "the Southampton way", and it's clear from the signings and especially the pursuit of Ramirez (still stunning, even though we're now somewhat used to it) that we're going to be playing a different kind of football. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Adkins was told that the price of signing Ramirez is losing Rickie. Especially if the excellent point made by Amesbury (above) is correct. It also wouldn't surprise me if both deals were formally announced on the same day, with getting Ramirez dulling the shock and reducing the controversy of losing Rickie. Exactly my thoughts - not for one minute do I want Ricky sold but it wouldnt surprise me one bit anymore. Our chairman has shown he is ruthless and doesn't do fans niceties. If selling Ricky means its right in his eyes he will sell. I still haven't gotten over us selling one of my heroes in Brian O'Neil ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Lee won't go, obviously Rodriguez won't go. Definitely think we will be shifting forwards and midfielders before the window closes. I could see either Lambert or Sharp going, as well as 2 out of Chaplow, Hammond & deRidder...possibly even Guly (scapegoat after his DD incident). Either Fonte or Seabourne as well. That is, of course, assuming we get at least a couple of more players in. It doesn't sit well with me that either Lambert or Sharp would be moved on, but I can see the logic, and I think Sharp brings us something different so Lambert may be the unlucky one. Of the current side, I don't think any player has an assured place in the team (not even Lallana, even though he has the Captain's armband at the moment) - but it's a squad game now and it won't hurt if they know they have to perform at their best every week to be in the match day 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 People are quick enough to say KD should be replaced with another GK. But not precious SRL. Yeah he's a great player and scored 1:2 but if he doesn't cut the colemans in the PL we need to get someone in who will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 (edited) What? Get relegated just so Rickie can enjoy his moment in the sun? Pathetic. Arguably Davis and Fonte have "got us here" too but people are quite content to cast them aside now. Perhaps we should give it a go with them too, and Hammond, coz of what they've done for us. Forget sentiment, if Rickie is deeemed not good enough, or a big bid comes in , he'll be gone. Cortese's plans don't involve sentiment. Remember, these are Cortese's plans, not yours, so you could turn down your mouthwatering relish over the fact a true club legend may be about to be sold. Our plans don't involve sentiment but you seem to go weak at the knees thinking about the strong and tough decisions Nicola might be about to make. Sounds a bit sentimental to me. Edited 29 August, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 People are quick enough to say KD should be replaced with another GK. But not precious SRL. Yeah he's a great player and scored 1:2 but if he doesn't cut the colemans in the PL we need to get someone in who will. What a stupid statement! Based on what? How u call urself a saints fan is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 What a stupid statement! Based on what? How u call urself a saints fan is beyond me. Come again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Not a chance RL leaves. Sharp,Puncheon,SDR, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Selling RL is the most ridiculous suggestion I've ever heard. On Saturday he was the only player (apart from Adam) who remotely looked like scoring. The guy is class and has a nose for goals....even at PL level. He is a very canny player and has great control too. Okay, he doesn't run around a lot......just like a certain MLT. If he goes then we will certainly be relegated in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Can't believe this has even turned into a debate. Lambert is going nowhere - its absolute bullsh*t being spouted by a couple of small time journos. Nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 (edited) I don't think we need much more evidence that Cortese doesn't "do" sentiment, or that he will do what he believes to be the right thing - regardless of how well or poorly it's received by the fan base. He has long been committed to "the Southampton way", and it's clear from the signings and especially the pursuit of Ramirez (still stunning, even though we're now somewhat used to it) that we're going to be playing a different kind of football. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Adkins was told that the price of signing Ramirez is losing Rickie. Especially if the excellent point made by Amesbury (above) is correct. It also wouldn't surprise me if both deals were formally announced on the same day, with getting Ramirez dulling the shock and reducing the controversy of losing Rickie. " ...you should understand ..it's ain't nuffink personal ....it's jus' bizniss..." Edited 29 August, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Can't believe this has even turned into a debate. Lambert is going nowhere - its absolute bullsh*t being spouted by a couple of small time journos. Nothing to see here. Probably right, but still why do certain people deem it ok to throw KD (for example) out with the bath water yet get uppity when people suggest the same of RL? I don't want or think he will go, but don't subscribe to the bullshyte and godlike status people put on him. We are 1 of 20 trying to stay in this league, and if we stand a better chance of staying up without him, I'd gladly see him leave. I'd drive him to his new club intact. And that is BECAUSE I love Saints, not RL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Remember, these are Cortese's plans, not yours, so you could turn down your mouthwatering relish over the fact a true club legend may be about to be sold. Our plans don't involve sentiment but you seem to go weak at the knees thinking about the strong and tough decisions Nicola might be about to make. Sounds a bit sentimental to me. For a bloke who can write, you don't read too well. I haven't suggested he should or would be sold. I've said its a possibility but that I don't think that it will happen. Bless ya' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Peter White who covers us sometimes reckons Villa definitely want Lambert! Could have mileage as it would mean rickie staying in prem! Personally, I hope he stays big time! mayuka and Jay up front, rickie in hole buzzing around, getting flick ons etc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Lee won't go, obviously Rodriguez won't go. Definitely think we will be shifting forwards and midfielders before the window closes. I could see either Lambert or Sharp going, as well as 2 out of Chaplow, Hammond & deRidder...possibly even Guly (scapegoat after his DD incident). Either Fonte or Seabourne as well. That is, of course, assuming we get at least a couple of more players in. It doesn't sit well with me that either Lambert or Sharp would be moved on, but I can see the logic, and I think Sharp brings us something different so Lambert may be the unlucky one. Of the current side, I don't think any player has an assured place in the team (not even Lallana, even though he has the Captain's armband at the moment) - but it's a squad game now and it won't hurt if they know they have to perform at their best every week to be in the match day 18. I don't disagree with most of those thoughts Aussie Dog.....what tremendous vision we have from such great distances, when there are no trees in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Lee won't go, obviously Rodriguez won't go. Definitely think we will be shifting forwards and midfielders before the window closes. I could see either Lambert or Sharp going, as well as 2 out of Chaplow, Hammond & deRidder...possibly even Guly (scapegoat after his DD incident). Either Fonte or Seabourne as well. That is, of course, assuming we get at least a couple of more players in. It doesn't sit well with me that either Lambert or Sharp would be moved on, but I can see the logic, and I think Sharp brings us something different so Lambert may be the unlucky one. Of the current side, I don't think any player has an assured place in the team (not even Lallana, even though he has the Captain's armband at the moment) - but it's a squad game now and it won't hurt if they know they have to perform at their best every week to be in the match day 18. First I read you , then Aussie Dog (further down the thread) and we all seem to think alike. How come we are all so far from the action.... yet share the same view ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I would be absolutely gutted if Rickie was pushed out. I would be gutted for sentimental reasons. I would also be gutted because he's a ****ing great player. I agree with Hypo, would rather see us go down with SRL than become that club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Why does pointing out that Rickie may leave suggest that anyone would love it if he goes?!? Its a real possibility he'll leave this window. We can't keep the number of forwards we have happy (or accomodate them in a 25 man squad) so at least one of the forwards will be moved on imo. I have a feeling that Rickie won't be the sacrifial lamb. I think the front 3 tonight were playing for their futures and wouldn't be surprised if Lee made way as well as SDR. I doubt it will be Lee Far too much Commercial nous with the Far East IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I would be absolutely gutted if Rickie was pushed out. I would be gutted for sentimental reasons. I would also be gutted because he's a ****ing great player. I agree with Hypo, would rather see us go down with SRL than become that club. I don't think you will find many that disagree with most of that but if it happens then there is not much we can do. I still think he has a massive role to play - but I am not CEO and loyalty is for fans not financial driven businessmen. I am not normally one who looks for messages from the club about transfer rumours - in this case it would be an exception given Ricky holding with the fans or shall I say customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 think SDR and Guly now after his latest escapade are the most likely forward players to leave the club before the deadline. Can't see RL leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Richie won't go. I'd rather he was wrapped in gold leaf and put on a plinth next to Ted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Lambert offers us something different to the pace/skill players we now have up front - at the very least he's a great option off the bench. Sharp, Punch, SDR and even Guly would go first i would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 This type of top level move does happen ..occasionally. One Prem. club selling a good player to another. Rickie won't want to go to Blackburn .(now he's got to the Prem. and especially after their Cup performance, but VILLA is another thing... NA has made it plain that no-one has a guaranteed place in the start line-up, and one day RL will have " peaked " in his career. At 30 he knows his shelf life is very short compared to the 20-plusers we are signing now. ..but ASTON VILLA ...there is another proposition....still Prem. and willing to lay out £4 million - did I read? I don't expect NA to stand around waiting for RL to lose this permanent place which he might well be able to command at Villa Park. As an oldie myself, I can recall the fan-uproar when Lawrie McMenemy let Terry Paine go ............and years later Mick Channon the two biggest names in the clubs history at that time ...(it didn't make him more popular at the time,) but the timing was right. We've got new talent on the way. They may take time to settle, but the majority of people I read on this site throw doubts on the suitability of most of out Championship sides ability to make it in the Prem.... ...and the closer you look ..the more truth there is to that. We are planning long term (acc.to NA /NC) so the likes of KD and RL won't be around in 2-3 years time...most people are already to admit the future of Jos and Fonte is in doubt, so this is the "Generation Game " in reality. I don't expect everyone to exit in one go, but I seriously doubt if we will have 4, maybe 5 of the current start side stillas first choicers ..come May, and Rickie may well be the first to depart. I didn't say I liked the idea.. btw....but decades of following football has taught me that ...nothing is ever a surprise.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmore Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Such imaginations from some of you. Like a good wine, Rickie is getting better with age and I'm sure he will be with us for a few more seasons yet. In a few seasons time he will be playing less games and we will have a bunch of young strikers taking more responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Such imaginations from some of you. Like a good wine, Rickie is getting better with age and I'm sure he will be with us for a few more seasons yet. In a few seasons time he will be playing less games and we will have a bunch of young strikers taking more responsibility. As a good fan, your text sounds all right to most ears,(even mine)... but even without the benefit of a crystal ball, you might re-write it and substitute seasons .....with months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 under no circumstances should we accept a bid for rickie. create him chances he will score at any level. it would undo all the good work we have done in the transfer window. i for one would be devastated if rickie was pushed out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 What? Get relegated just so Rickie can enjoy his moment in the sun? Pathetic. Arguably Davis and Fonte have "got us here" too but people are quite content to cast them aside now. Perhaps we should give it a go with them too, and Hammond, coz of what they've done for us. Forget sentiment, if Rickie is deeemed not good enough, or a big bid comes in , he'll be gone. Cortese's plans don't involve sentiment. You didn't understand what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Such imaginations from some of you. Like a good wine, Rickie is getting better with age and I'm sure he will be with us for a few more seasons yet. In a few seasons time he will be playing less games and we will have a bunch of young strikers taking more responsibility. I also genuinely think Rickie has a few seasons in him at a top level. It's not like he has pace to lose and could potentially still get better as he becomes more experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Let Rickie bang 12 goals this season and he will be worth £7m next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 He has already proven he can score in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Anyone thinking, like me, that we need to free up some cash in a hurry to sign Ramierez on Bologna's "money up front" terms and this is the way the club can do it. RL is a saints legend and I would hate to see him go, but perhaps NC and NA see Gaston and the other younger players we are signing as the future. How much will RL be valued at at the end of this season when he is another year older? On paper it makes good business sense, I just hope it makes sense on grass too, if this is the path we take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I will have an absolute epi if he leaves. So much so in fact I will not go to see Saints this season. Livid would be an understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 I think Billy Sharp may well be off though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 It would take an absolute imbecile to agree to sell Ricky this window.. Luckily I don't think we have such mugs at tgeb club.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Sharp and Lambert should not be sold under any circumstances. Both have a big role to play this coming season. I will gladly give De Ridder a lift to his next club however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Unfortunately, from a business point of view, I can see this happening. However, I think it would be a big mistake to sell him to a prem league rival, especially one that will be scrapping around the bottom half of the table. I don't want to see him go. Same goes for Sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Maybe Rickie wants to go... just saying. Bigger club, more money etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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