Sack Adkins bring in Redknapp

[CB Fry]

Tbh honest if the team is not fit enough to last 90 minutes then I want to know why,when strachan was manager he had the team fit enough to last a game and a half and I don't remember losing too many games in the last 15 minutes whilst he was in charge,the players were running around for the whole game not just 3 quarters of it.

The truth is the that Adkins ****ed up with the subs,they should never of happened,Ferdinand couldn't handle lambert and lallana and puncheon were scaring the life out of them,then Adkins decided to bring on 3 players who looked well out of their depth and didn't have a clue.

It was bad management and if he continues to make bad management mistakes then that will eventually lead to his departure,if he learns from those mistakes then he will become a great manager but he has to learn fast.

 

That Strachan point is bang on. Our best season in recent memory was not built on twelve million quid south Americans but it was built on supreme fitness, conditioning and performance.

 

We can't afford to be tired three games in.

[Thedelldays]

That Strachan point is bang on. Our best season in recent memory was not built on twelve million quid south Americans but it was built on supreme fitness, conditioning and performance.

 

We can't afford to be tired three games in.

we were super fit back then.....plenty of times we won/rescued a point at the very death....1 win against Man U for example.

 

some times Man U come back and before the game I thought we would get docked...but sat in the itched, watching it unfold in front of me..we BLEW IT big time to beat them...not often do you get a chance like that against UNITED..and what a feather in the cap for adkins...but HE blew it

[lordswoodsaints]

That Strachan point is bang on. Our best season in recent memory was not built on twelve million quid south Americans but it was built on supreme fitness, conditioning and performance.

 

We can't afford to be tired three games in.

 

Exactly,why are we talking about players not being fit 3 or 4 games in....what have they been doing all summer?

It seems to me that the club have failed in their preparations for the premier league,they must of known what to expect but they just don't seem ready,on the most part they have played well but I think they are trying to run before they can walk,the formation seems awkward,the fitness levels are not up to scratch and players are not fitting in.

Ok,I accept it is going to be a steep learning curve for them but surely this should have been taken into account when preparing for the new season.

If we have got little or no points by the end of October then with regret I would be disappointed if Adkins was still here tbh,that was the weakest Manu team I have seen for a long long time and he had the chance to put that game to bed and he blew it,same with the upcoming arsenal game,they are weak and in a transitional period and we won't get a better opportunity to take points of off them,ok they beat Liverpool at the weekend but Liverpool are even weaker than us IMO so I expect to take them for some points as well.....it is going to be a wide open premiership this season and we need to take advantage of that .

[doddisalegend]

Weren't we one of the fitest sides in the league last season we never seemed to have trouble lasting the whole game...a lot of Nigels success seemed to be built on the fitness side of things.....It would be strange if that wasn't carried on this pre-season. Maybe we just have to work a lot harder against PL talent than we did against league 1 sides......

[buctootim]

I thought some of these posts were tongue in cheek at first, but no they are serious - and pathetic. Of course the squad are fit. Does the fact that Schneiderlin and JWP dominate the greatest distance run during a match table not tell you that?

 

Saints got in front by working harder and pressing more. That burns up more energy and by 70 mins some of the players were clearly flagging. NA made substitutions to try to keep the pressure up. It didnt work. Boo hoo.

 

The team have given fantastic performances against arguably the two best clubs in the country. We will lose many more matches now we are playing clubs like that than we've got used to when playing against Brentford. Get used to it.

[Saint Fan CaM]

So, Saints are not prepared and not fit? Suggest you read the overall Stats. Morgan for example has covered more ground in matches than any other player in any team. JWP has twice shown himself to be one of the fastest players in the league. It's really not about fitness - it's about competency and brain power to read situations and react quickly enough.

 

Fonte for example is unfortunately showing signs that he cannot cope, but that's nothing to do with his fitness.

[doddisalegend]

I thought some of these posts were tongue in cheek at first, but no they are serious - and pathetic. Of course the squad are fit. Does the fact that Schneiderlin and JWP dominate the greatest distance run during a match table not tell you that?

 

Saints got in front by working harder and pressing more. That burns up more energy and by 70 mins some of the players were clearly flagging. NA made substitutions to try to keep the pressure up. It didnt work. Boo hoo.

 

The team have given fantastic performances against arguably the two best clubs in the country. We will lose many more matches now we are playing clubs like that than we've got used to when playing against Brentford. Get used to it.

 

In fairness if we lose lots of matches we won't have to get used to it we will be back in the championship...

[buctootim]

In fairness if we lose lots of matches we won't have to get used to it we will be back in the championship...

 

Because clearly there is no possible middle ground between coming second by winning lots and being relegated.....

[lordswoodsaints]

I thought some of these posts were tongue in cheek at first, but no they are serious - and pathetic. Of course the squad are fit. Does the fact that Schneiderlin and JWP dominate the greatest distance run during a match table not tell you that?

 

Saints got in front by working harder and pressing more. That burns up more energy and by 70 mins some of the players were clearly flagging. NA made substitutions to try to keep the pressure up. It didnt work. Boo hoo.

 

The team have given fantastic performances against arguably the two best clubs in the country. We will lose many more matches now we are playing clubs like that than we've got used to when playing against Brentford. Get used to it.

 

If they are fit then they should be able to last 90+ minutes regardless who they are playing,why bring them off and replace them with Rodriguez,who clearly looks and plays like he's demoralised,guly who been on the **** and got caught drink driving and the new fella who looked way out of his depth.

I love what Adkins has done for this club but he got it badly wrong,there is no boo hoo about it........he didn't make one bad sub he made 3 and it cost us 3 precious points.

I can accept one bad decision but not 3.

[Raging Bull]

According to the mighty twitter, saggy chops has already held talks with us.

[kpturner]

According to the mighty twitter, saggy chops has already held talks with us.

Who is the mighty twitter?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Who is the mighty twitter?

 

The font of all football knowledge maybe?

[jasoneuelllfanclub]

i have no doubt cortesi has a plan in place should he get rid of nige but he will go for a continental "head coach" not old saggychops. plus Arry wont take to kindly to Cortesi's hands on involvement.

[jasoneuelllfanclub]

If they are fit then they should be able to last 90+ minutes regardless who they are playing,why bring them off and replace them with Rodriguez,who clearly looks and plays like he's demoralised,guly who been on the **** and got caught drink driving and the new fella who looked way out of his depth.

I love what Adkins has done for this club but he got it badly wrong,there is no boo hoo about it........he didn't make one bad sub he made 3 and it cost us 3 precious points.

I can accept one bad decision but not 3.

 

Pretty clueless statement. It is physically impossible to maintain the relentless pressing we did on Utd for a full 90 minutes with the same 11 players. Adkins should have freshened the midfield up not the attack although unfortunately we didnt have a lot of options for midfield other than our friend Guly. Corky had he been fit would have been perfect to have brought on and snap away at Utd's heals especially Scholes.

[lordswoodsaints]

Pretty clueless statement. It is physically impossible to maintain the relentless pressing we did on Utd for a full 90 minutes with the same 11 players. Adkins should have freshened the midfield up not the attack although unfortunately we didnt have a lot of options for midfield other than our friend Guly. Corky had he been fit would have been perfect to have brought on and snap away at Utd's heals especially Scholes.

I would say that you are pretty clueless as Morgan maintained the pressure for the full game and was our best player,I have no doubts that if puncheon and lallana had stayed on we would of at least gained a point,I also don't think that lamberts game burned up as much energy as the others so wouldn't have been as knackered as somebody like Morgan or puncheon.

My argument is that Adkins made 3 wrong choices,he took off 3 of the players who were causing united problems and replaced them with rubbish which did nothing but invite more pressure on us.

Lambert had the beating of rio,lallana and puncheon were terrifying the life out of the defence with their trickery and pace then the subs came on and guly got dragged back into places where he shouldn't of been,the new lad didn't win a thing against rio and Rodriguez just looks like a round peg in a square hole.

Adkins may not have had a lot to choose from on the bench but what he did have he didn't use effectively or they weren't capable of carrying out the duty they were assigned to do.

[manji]

i have no doubt cortesi has a plan in place should he get rid of nige but he will go for a continental "head coach" not old saggychops. plus Arry wont take to kindly to Cortesi's hands on involvement.

Yeah Harry wouldnt get to chose who signed and certainly wouldnt be able to get any perks in brown paper bags.

[Dalek2003]

Exactly,why are we talking about players not being fit 3 or 4 games in....what have they been doing all summer?

It seems to me that the club have failed in their preparations for the premier league,they must of known what to expect but they just don't seem ready,on the most part they have played well but I think they are trying to run before they can walk,the formation seems awkward,the fitness levels are not up to scratch and players are not fitting in.

Ok,I accept it is going to be a steep learning curve for them but surely this should have been taken into account when preparing for the new season.

If we have got little or no points by the end of October then with regret I would be disappointed if Adkins was still here tbh,that was the weakest Manu team I have seen for a long long time and he had the chance to put that game to bed and he blew it,same with the upcoming arsenal game,they are weak and in a transitional period and we won't get a better opportunity to take points of off them,ok they beat Liverpool at the weekend but Liverpool are even weaker than us IMO so I expect to take them for some points as well.....it is going to be a wide open premiership this season and we need to take advantage of that .

 

We got dicked by united and citeh......bit ealry to start the bedwetting i think !

[Dalek2003]

Who is the mighty twitter?

 

Probably someone like C B Fry IMO.

[lordswoodsaints]

We got dicked by united and citeh......bit ealry to start the bedwetting i think !

 

A bit ealry?.....a bit ealry to be on the sauce I'd say

Knob

[pimpin4rizeal]

adkins is doing a good job in my oppinion. all 3 games we have played good football.

we have scared the life out of the 2 best clubs in england and done it in style. the only criticsm i can give the team or adkins is the defence looks very weak and naive and should have been sorted. lets at least see how we are doing ten games in before getting on nigels case. the first games were always goin to be a mare its just that wigan result has cranked up the pressure

[Saints Warrior]

If he gets back here then pitch invasion to abandon games untill he leaves Soton. He must never be allowed to return after relegating Saints, and saying he realised he should never have taken the job the day after appointment (apparently, sure it was qouted in echo). maybe we need to get some banners now to say `F*** O** ReddSkate your not wanted`

[pimpin4rizeal]

also with the way our vision seems to be bringing the youth through. why would we want redknapp the guy who when he was last here sent a team of kids out in a cup game. then destroyed them in the post match interview .NO THANKS!

[Dalek2003]

A bit ealry?.....a bit ealry to be on the sauce I'd say

Knob

 

You sound very pompous !

[Graffito]

adkins is doing a good job in my oppinion. all 3 games we have played good football.

we have scared the life out of the 2 best clubs in england and done it in style. the only criticsm i can give the team or adkins is the defence looks very weak and naive and should have been sorted. lets at least see how we are doing ten games in before getting on nigels case. the first games were always goin to be a mare its just that wigan result has cranked up the pressure

 

Good going forward, weak at the back. As we know, the defensive weaknesses were there last season but were less frequently exposed due to inferior opposition to what we have faced this season. In all probability the current defence, with the addition of Yoshida, is what we've got to go with until January. It's down to the coaching staff to tighten up defence and cut out the basic errors seen in Davis's distribution, Hooiveld's tackling and above all defending from set pieces which ought to be the relatively easier faults to rectify. In the Five Live interview with Lambert last night, Claridge highlighted flaws in the zonal marking system Saints are using. This two week break could be really useful in sorting out some of these issues.

[lordswoodsaints]

You sound very pompous !

 

If you don't want a response don't quote my posts with patronising 'I know better than you' drivel.

There is a long list of bell ends on here in that mold,don't add yourself to the list.

Edited 6 September, 2012 by lordswoodsaints

[ART]

Reading people's opinion on fitness, I quote one of the players talking about pre-season who said with Adkins pre-season wasn't about running and exercise but was 100% football. Maybe a biy of Strachan's running up dunes wouldn't have done any harm. I've been shocked getting the feeling from players on Twitter that the international break, the other players have beeen given time off. I don't begrudge them time off when we're winning matches but meethinks this period would be well used to get things right and improve fitness even more,. I hope I'm wrong but the players on Twitter don't give this opinion.

[benjii]

It's Paul Hart we're bringing in anyway, not Redknapp, so there's no need for everyone to get worked up.

[MAY-Z]

So, Saints are not prepared and not fit? Suggest you read the overall Stats. Morgan for example has covered more ground in matches than any other player in any team. JWP has twice shown himself to be one of the fastest players in the league. It's really not about fitness - it's about competency and brain power to read situations and react quickly enough.

 

Fonte for example is unfortunately showing signs that he cannot cope, but that's nothing to do with his fitness.

 

where do i find the distance covered stats? this has always intrigued me. in australian rules the elite midfield players cover around 18-20 km in 2 hours. this also includes a lot of energy sapping contact with tackling and bumping etc

 

how does the distance of elite premier league players compare?

[trousers]

@pn_neil_allen: RT @neilperrettecho: BREAKING NEWS: Harry Redknapp returns to #afcb in an advisory capacity.

[Saint Without a Halo]

If the title of this thread happens it will be the worst thing to happen to this club in my 52 years of support' date=' worst than Branfoot or even Rupert's arrival[/quote']

 

you can add my 40 years to that too would hate to lose Nige or to see saggy chops any where near saints again!

[Dalek2003]

If you don't want a response don't quote my posts with patronising 'I know better than you' drivel.

There is a long list of bell ends on here in that mold,don't add yourself to the list.

 

You want to look at your own response before you go all 'high and mighty' !

[VectisSaint]

So, Saints are not prepared and not fit? Suggest you read the overall Stats. Morgan for example has covered more ground in matches than any other player in any team. JWP has twice shown himself to be one of the fastest players in the league. It's really not about fitness - it's about competency and brain power to read situations and react quickly enough.

 

Fonte for example is unfortunately showing signs that he cannot cope, but that's nothing to do with his fitness.

Actually it is, when the body begins to tire the brain begins to switch off. This is why under Strachan we were so good in the last few minutes of matches, we were supremely fit and were still mentally alert in the last few minutes, the time when most goals are scored in games. I would suggest that Fonte is perhaps not quite as fit as he needs to be, he makes very few mistakes, but they are crucially during the last few minutes. Clear that JWP and few others are already very, very fit, including Lallana, which is why it was a surprise that he was subbed against Manure, you need people on the pitch who are not going to switch off in the crucial last minute or two. I believe NA has ensure that our players are very fit, but perhaps a little of the stamina work that WGS used to put in would not have gone amiss for a few.

[Mowgli]

Reading people's opinion on fitness, I quote one of the players talking about pre-season who said with Adkins pre-season wasn't about running and exercise but was 100% football. Maybe a biy of Strachan's running up dunes wouldn't have done any harm. I've been shocked getting the feeling from players on Twitter that the international break, the other players have beeen given time off. I don't begrudge them time off when we're winning matches but meethinks this period would be well used to get things right and improve fitness even more,. I hope I'm wrong but the players on Twitter don't give this opinion.

 

I think that is a mis-quote. What the player actually said was that a lot more of their routines- including running - were with the football so they did not develop their fitness in isolation from ball skills. This corrects the tactics used bt wgs but criticised by the likes of anders svensson who felt there was no point in being fit if you did not know what to do with the ball when you got it. It's all about balance and what we have now that wgs did not have is polar electro fitness monitoring which adds science to training regime. We also have dieticians, psychologists and the like to take it all to a totally new level of professionalism. A lot of posters seem not to understand the difference between fitness and stamina and the role that proper rest - by virtue of days off - has in preparing body for a intense period of match play

[saintdaz]

i no it's just a rumour when you get peaking to a guy in the pub, but he's heard Atkins will be given 4 games to turn things around before we go for rednapp

[saintdaz]

^ speaking not peaking lol

[Window Cleaner]

i no it's just a rumour when you get peaking to a guy in the pub, but he's heard Atkins will be given 4 games to turn things around before we go for rednapp

 

Probably not even a proper rumour, some people just make up crap and attribute it to "a bloke down the pub" or "a taxi driver".

[Window Cleaner]

Reading people's opinion on fitness, I quote one of the players talking about pre-season who said with Adkins pre-season wasn't about running and exercise but was 100% football. Maybe a biy of Strachan's running up dunes wouldn't have done any harm. I've been shocked getting the feeling from players on Twitter that the international break, the other players have beeen given time off. I don't begrudge them time off when we're winning matches but meethinks this period would be well used to get things right and improve fitness even more,. I hope I'm wrong but the players on Twitter don't give this opinion.

 

Wasn't Pardew supposedly sacked because some players couldn't hack his pre-season fitness programme ?

The sports scientists would have Strachan out of a job before a day was out.

[kpturner]

Wasn't Pardew supposedly sacked because some players couldn't hack his pre-season fitness programme ?

Where on earth did you derive that gem from?

[Window Cleaner]

Where on earth did you derive that gem from?

 

 

Here I'd guess, wasn't the jist of the affair that after our pre-season in Switzerland Lambert was injured and ****ged out and Pardew was sacked because the sports science people and fitness coaches said his programme was too

tough for the players and NA sacked him because of it?

[tajjuk]

I would say that you are pretty clueless as Morgan maintained the pressure for the full game and was our best player,I have no doubts that if puncheon and lallana had stayed on we would of at least gained a point,I also don't think that lamberts game burned up as much energy as the others so wouldn't have been as knackered as somebody like Morgan or puncheon.

My argument is that Adkins made 3 wrong choices,he took off 3 of the players who were causing united problems and replaced them with rubbish which did nothing but invite more pressure on us.

Lambert had the beating of rio,lallana and puncheon were terrifying the life out of the defence with their trickery and pace then the subs came on and guly got dragged back into places where he shouldn't of been,the new lad didn't win a thing against rio and Rodriguez just looks like a round peg in a square hole.

Adkins may not have had a lot to choose from on the bench but what he did have he didn't use effectively or they weren't capable of carrying out the duty they were assigned to do.

 

The substitutions didn't cost us the game, Man Utd were always going to come back strong and press hard for the last few minutes. Defensive errors and the team as a whole sitting to deep were the problems. It meant we couldn't retain the ball or clear our lines properly, it also meant that our midfield had far more space to cover. The subs had no chance, they never got the ball.

 

Your view of 'subs costs us the game' is very simplistic, just because AL, RL and JP were all doing well does not equally mean that they would have continued to do well, especially if they were all tired. Defenders have to be able to defend under pressure, ours failed to do that, Fonte in particular struggled, slicing clearances and failing to mark.

[Mowgli]

Wasn't Pardew supposedly sacked because some players couldn't hack his pre-season fitness programme ?

The sports scientists would have Strachan out of a job before a day was out.

There were a lot of rumours about why he was sacked but the one that had most credibility was the breakdown of communications between pardew and the sports science team. Pardew was pushing them very hard in pre season but none of the players complained as I recall. But the sports science team felt the intensity was putting their longer term fitness at risk and he chose to ignore their advice. Didn't SRL pick up a niggling injury as a result?

[saint_sinner]

Here I'd guess, wasn't the jist of the affair that after our pre-season in Switzerland Lambert was injured and ****ged out and Pardew was sacked because the sports science people and fitness coaches said his programme was too

tough for the players and NA sacked him because of it?

 

you mean NC? NA didnt sack Pardew? that would be weird!

Hate to say this but I heard NA has got 2 games left

[Bearsy]

Interesting! Did they say which 2 games?

[manji]

you mean NC? NA didnt sack Pardew? that would be weird!

Hate to say this but I heard NA has got 2 games left

 

Utter utter crap. I dont doubt for a minute Cortese will be ruthless if results havnt picked up after a certain amount

of time but to say two games is mandownthepub ********. He will be given time to bed the new players in for starters.

[kpturner]

Here I'd guess, wasn't the jist of the affair that after our pre-season in Switzerland Lambert was injured and ****ged out and Pardew was sacked because the sports science people and fitness coaches said his programme was too

tough for the players and NA sacked him because of it?

More like the fitness programme was not tough enough - but most likely none of the above.

[saint_sinner]

Utter utter crap. I dont doubt for a minute Cortese will be ruthless if results havnt picked up after a certain amount

of time but to say two games is mandownthepub ********. He will be given time to bed the new players in for starters.

 

I like Nigel and I think he deserves and has earnt his chance in this league but when you hear a senior club employee shoot his mouth off saying Nigel has 2 games left, you have to wonder. I hope he's wrong.

 

Which 2 games Bearsy? the next 2!!

[saint lard]

Adkins will take us down.

he was never the manager to take us forward.

he has showed how frail he is these past couple of seasons.

when the time has come ,he has failed.

hes been backed,but we have limped over the line.

he could never manage a side in the premiership,way beyond his capabilities.

hes out of his depth.

 

Mate, you are a complete waste of space! Frail does not get dual promotions, he has not failed by any stretch of the imagination and arguably not yet been backed with a final squad for this league. You have disliked the guy from day one and I'm sure would take delight in relegation or his sacking but I reckon he is a winner and will prove you wrong again. I'm even prepared to have a little bet for charity if you're up for it?

 

Not desperate to be proved right,quite the opposite.

but good 'old smiley Nigel was/is way out of his depth.

tactically out thought on many an occasion,remember Reading defeat, amongst others.we almost threw our advantage away.

good luck to the fella,but he was never going to cut the mustard.

i have heard so many horror story's about him,no wonder Corteses want rid.

shame really,he could've had a bright future.

turn it around nige,would love to see you prove others wrong.

 

i think he has 45 mins to save his job,perhaps I should have taken the bet.

 

We really need 3 points today,c'mon Nigel prove me wrong.

become a Premier League manager,today.

[egreog]

Its early days..... how some people can call for NA to be sacked so soon is unbelievable!!

[Thedelldays]

Its early days..... how some people can call for NA to be sacked so soon is unbelievable!!

 

It's not.... We can't get much worse

[saint lard]

Get in,2-1 up.

come on Nige,show your worth.

now show some tactical nous this second half and see it out.

learn from the first half of this match and the last 15 against Man Utd & Man City.