Sack Adkins bring in Redknapp

[John B]

If the title of this thread happens it will be the worst thing to happen to this club in my 52 years of support' date=' worst than Branfoot or even Rupert's arrival[/quote']

 

What would you say ifas Benietz instead of Redknapp

 

Doubt if Adkins will last the season that is what usually happens unfortunately numerous managers are sacked each year

[Suomi Saint]

Of course Nigel doesn't deserve the sack at the moment, but he's got to learn fast. As previous posters have said, blowing 12M on one player and not bothering to strengthen the defence and gk position is criminal. The Japanese fellow is a major gamble, and is most obviously a Cortese signing for global branding reasons. Nigel's got to grow a pair and tell Cortese to bugger off. The 3 substitutions were just plainly ridiculous in real time (not hindsight), and anyone who disputes that is just plain deluded. However, Saints were superb at times, but 3 of the back 5 need replacing PDQ. Otherwise we WILL go down. In all a blaze of glory maybe, but you win nothing for gallant suicide. Ward Prowse was simply sensational for a young boy....sensational.

[Crab Lungs]

F()ck me, we've just played 1st and 2nd from last year, given them a right good go and now NA has question marks over him? WTF.

 

Rightly or wrongly, he saw fit to replace the front three. Personally, I thought they were knackered and would have preferred to have kept one of them on but it didn't happen. It was more individual mistakes than the substitutions that cost us.

[Avenue Saint]

Of course Nigel doesn't deserve the sack at the moment, but he's got to learn fast. As previous posters have said, blowing 12M on one player and not bothering to strengthen the defence and gk position is criminal. The Japanese fellow is a major gamble, and is most obviously a Cortese signing for global branding reasons. Nigel's got to grow a pair and tell Cortese to bugger off. The 3 substitutions were just plainly ridiculous in real time (not hindsight), and anyone who disputes that is just plain deluded. However, Saints were superb at times, but 3 of the back 5 need replacing PDQ. Otherwise we WILL go down. In all a blaze of glory maybe, but you win nothing for gallant suicide. Ward Prowse was simply sensational for a young boy....sensational.

 

Are you our new itk'er with all this "Cortese picks teams, Cortese buys players, Cortese picks subs"

 

That's some serious itk loop you got goin on there mush!

[Chris Marsden = Genius]

That the players he took off were knackered and the introduction of fresh legs would enable us to chase more effectively and counter attack more quickly. Of the 3 I would probably only question the replacement of Lallana, and would not have brought on Guly.

 

Ok maybe they were tired but there was only 10 mins left, surely the adrenaline of being 2-1 up against Man Utd would take them through! Have you ever played football?!

 

Not just the fact he took them off its the choices of subs and the positions.

 

When your a smaller team against one of the best, winning in the last few mins it's going to be backs against the wall. What you dont need is a guy who's too short to hold the ball up on his own up front and a guy who doesn't close down, chase the ball, tackle or put in any noticable effort!

[Wade Garrett]

Of course Nigel doesn't deserve the sack at the moment, but he's got to learn fast. As previous posters have said, blowing 12M on one player and not bothering to strengthen the defence and gk position is criminal. The Japanese fellow is a major gamble, and is most obviously a Cortese signing for global branding reasons. Nigel's got to grow a pair and tell Cortese to bugger off. The 3 substitutions were just plainly ridiculous in real time (not hindsight), and anyone who disputes that is just plain deluded. However, Saints were superb at times, but 3 of the back 5 need replacing PDQ. Otherwise we WILL go down. In all a blaze of glory maybe, but you win nothing for gallant suicide. Ward Prowse was simply sensational for a young boy....sensational.

 

You seem very sure that Cortese is signing players without Adkins authority. Did he sign Jos, Davis, Rodriguez, Fox and Lee as well then?

 

My view is that the chairman has spectacularly backed the manager this transfer window, not undermined him.

[Webby]

Matt Le Tiss was asked about this Harry story in the Sky studio before the game and, despite (I'm sure) knowing a) that its from the Daily Star and b) that its rubbish, he did not play it down. Where I expected him to say that it was ridiculous, or praise Adkins for the work he's done, he instead spoke about pressure on the manager, and how this 12m signing might affect the other players in the dressing cos he's probably on twice as much as anyone else etc etc and then went on to say how he wanted to see Saints revert to a 442, a formation that brought them success in the lower divisions.

 

I was a little bit disappointed with that to be honest. I think he should've played this story down as just paper talk, which is what it is.

 

Also, I don't think Ramirez will be on twice as much as the next man, and if 433 or 4231 is good enough for the likes on Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, then it's good enough for us (providing we play the right players I must admit, but Matt didn't address that).

 

He's a Saints legend, but imo, he's not a good pundit.

[sammysaint]

I hate redknapp but least he wouldnt play guly.

[badgerx16]

Have you ever played football?!

 

 

GK, kind of you to ask.

 

And adrenaline won't prevent 'lactic' legs from failing the owner when an urgent burst of acceleration is needed.

[Avenue Saint]

You seem very sure that Cortese is signing players without Adkins authority. Did he sign Jos, Davis, Rodriguez, Fox and Lee as well then?

 

My view is that the chairman has spectacularly backed the manager this transfer window, not undermined him.

 

Not sure now is the time for sensible posts...

[70's Mike]

What would you say ifas Benietz instead of Redknapp

 

Doubt if Adkins will last the season that is what usually happens unfortunately numerous managers are sacked each year

 

I would not like it but Redknapp will split the fan base whch has been united for 3 seasons and be a backward step

[Wade Garrett]

F()ck me, we've just played 1st and 2nd from last year, given them a right good go and now NA has question marks over him? WTF.

 

Rightly or wrongly, he saw fit to replace the front three. Personally, I thought they were knackered and would have preferred to have kept one of them on but it didn't happen. It was more individual mistakes than the substitutions that cost us.

 

Adkins has earned the right to a fair crack of the whip. I am not advocating sacking him, despite the mistakes he has made. As you say, we've played top sides. For the most part we've done very well. Adkins needs to get a bit more streetwise. I think he's trying to be too clever. But like the rest of the squad, it's a big jump for him as well.

 

I will say though, that it's about 50/50 with my mates over whether he should go. Zero points after 4 games and a lot of people will be asking questions.

[Didcot Saint]

Love Nige but why oh why did he make those subs. We were comfortable in possession and Scholes made the difference when Guly hardly touched the ball. Was a suicidal move.

[Chris Marsden = Genius]

GK, kind of you to ask.

 

And adrenaline won't prevent 'lactic' legs from failing the owner when an urgent burst of acceleration is needed.

 

I understand what your saying but were they really looking that tired? Not to me.

 

I just don't understand playing Mayuka up top and hoofing balls up at him when he's against Vidic and Ferdinand and having Guly on when were hanging on is stupid. That's usually the type of player you bring off when your hanging on!

 

Out of interest did you think the subs were a good decision?

[manji]

Matt Le Tiss was asked about this Harry story in the Sky studio before the game and, despite (I'm sure) knowing a) that its from the Daily Star and b) that its rubbish, he did not play it down. Where I expected him to say that it was ridiculous, or praise Adkins for the work he's done, he instead spoke about pressure on the manager, and how this 12m signing might affect the other players in the dressing cos he's probably on twice as much as anyone else etc etc and then went on to say how he wanted to see Saints revert to a 442, a formation that brought them success in the lower divisions.

 

I was a little bit disappointed with that to be honest. I think he should've played this story down as just paper talk, which is what it is.

 

Also, I don't think Ramirez will be on twice as much as the next man, and if 433 or 4231 is good enough for the likes on Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, then it's good enough for us (providing we play the right players I must admit, but Matt didn't address that).

 

He's a Saints legend, but imo, he's not a good pundit.

He has an agenda.Im surprised more people cant see it.

[badgerx16]

I understand what your saying but were they really looking that tired? Not to me.

 

I just don't understand playing Mayuka up top and hoofing balls up at him when he's against Vidic and Ferdinand and having Guly on when were hanging on is stupid. That's usually the type of player you bring off when your hanging on!

 

Out of interest did you think the subs were a good decision?

 

I think J-Rod should have been the replacement for SRL, Mayuka for Lallana ( IF, and only if, it was truly necessary - but in that I have to trust NA ), and probably then wait 5 minutes before Lee replaced Puncheon. Guly shouldn't be brought on to play the 'defend from the front' role, he's not that sort of player. But at the time he made the decisions, Nigel beleived that these were the right moves, and it is only with hindsight that we can find cause to question his motives.

[Wade Garrett]

Matt Le Tiss was asked about this Harry story in the Sky studio before the game and, despite (I'm sure) knowing a) that its from the Daily Star and b) that its rubbish, he did not play it down. Where I expected him to say that it was ridiculous, or praise Adkins for the work he's done, he instead spoke about pressure on the manager, and how this 12m signing might affect the other players in the dressing cos he's probably on twice as much as anyone else etc etc and then went on to say how he wanted to see Saints revert to a 442, a formation that brought them success in the lower divisions.

 

I was a little bit disappointed with that to be honest. I think he should've played this story down as just paper talk, which is what it is.

 

Also, I don't think Ramirez will be on twice as much as the next man, and if 433 or 4231 is good enough for the likes on Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, then it's good enough for us (providing we play the right players I must admit, but Matt didn't address that).

 

He's a Saints legend, but imo, he's not a good pundit.

 

Matt devoted his whole career to us. I don't think he has an agenda, and if that's his honest opinion he has every right to voice it.

Personally, I think most managers would love the problem of a £12m signing!

[Webby]

He has an agenda.Im surprised more people cant see it.

 

Well, yeah you could say that but I didn't wanna get shot to pieces by everyone so....

[Winchester Red]

If NA hadn't made those subs and we lost 3-2 everyone would be saying why the f*ck didn't he add some fresh legs, the players were knackered after 75 minutes.

 

I agree with what Le Tiss said after the match, one of the front 3 needed to stay on just in case.

 

As for the Redknapp story, saw Le Tiss a few weeks back and he predicted the NC would not give NA long and Redknapp would replace him so he isn't going to completely rubbish todays report (I think it would be a crazy thing to do though)

[Webby]

Personally, I think most managers would love the problem of a £12m signing!

Exactly, but don't you think that saying he's on twice as much as the next man (whether true or not) just stirs things up a little bit? There's no need to say that.

[Webby]

If NA hadn't made those subs and we lost 3-2 everyone would be saying why the f*ck didn't he add some fresh legs, the players were knackered after 75 minutes.

 

I agree with what Le Tiss said after the match, one of the front 3 needed to stay on just in case.

 

As for the Redknapp story, saw Le Tiss a few weeks back and he predicted the NC would not give NA long and Redknapp would replace him so he isn't going to completely rubbish todays report (I think it would be a crazy thing to do though)

 

But the front 3 were replaced with another front 3, with fresh legs.

 

Sorry, is that YOU saw Le Tiss personally, and he said that to you, or you saw him say that on tv?

[SaintBobby]

Strangest thing for me was Mayuka as the holding centre forward and Rodriguez on the wing?

 

Surely should have been other way round?

 

But, from what I could see from just behind the bench, the idea was to have Jay put real physical pressure on a tired (and small) Rafael (at least this appeared to be roughly what was signalled).

 

If that was the strategy, it didn't work. But it wasn't insane either.

[Winchester Red]

I saw him personally. I don't believe it is a view that he has ever expressed on TV and doubt he would. He's a fan of Nigel.

 

On the other point, I think our second choice front 3 isn't a patch on the first choice, so one of them should have still stayed on. Just my opinion though

[Chris Marsden = Genius]

I think J-Rod should have been the replacement for SRL, Mayuka for Lallana ( IF, and only if, it was truly necessary - but in that I have to trust NA ), and probably then wait 5 minutes before Lee replaced Puncheon. Guly shouldn't be brought on to play the 'defend from the front' role, he's not that sort of player. But at the time he made the decisions, Nigel beleived that these were the right moves, and it is only with hindsight that we can find cause to question his motives.

 

I agree with your subs although i would have waited another 5 mins for the first two and then gone from there. I thought we were looking dangerous on the break at the time.

 

Fair that looking back in hindsight is easy to be critical but myself and a fair few around me were confused at the time of the subs and i still am tbh. I still think he blew it.

[Webby]

He's a fan of Nigel.

 

 

Really? It doesn't appear that way.

 

I think he's a little too easily led by the media and the rest of the Sky team personally. Obviously, he does have some issue with Cortese going back to the ticket situation.

[Winchester Red]

He does have an issue with NC (which in my view is justified for him on a personal level) but it goes much further back than that. Not about Tickets or any other policy issue (particularly not about tickets to ex-players!!!)

 

He's a fan of SFC first and foremost - Managers, Chairman and Players all come and go.

 

As for Sky, I think he tows the party line (they have their own agendas) and that's why he gets more than his fair share of the work. (That is just my opinion though - I know nothing about that from the horses mouth as it were)

[Rebel]

Adkins will take us down.

he was never the manager to take us forward.

he has showed how frail he is these past couple of seasons.

when the time has come ,he has failed.

hes been backed,but we have limped over the line.

he could never manage a side in the premiership,way beyond his capabilities.

hes out of his depth.

 

Your a Skate aren't you!?

[Winchester Red]

NA has done great at all the other levels of the game.

 

This is a new challenge but he has the tools at his disposal to be a success... unfortunately he won't have long to do the business.

 

I hope he gets some good (points scoring) results on the board soon

[Webby]

NA has done great at all the other levels of the game.

 

This is a new challenge but he has the tools at his disposal to be a success... unfortunately he won't have long to do the business.

 

I hope he gets some good (points scoring) results on the board soon

Do you say that cos that's what Matt said to you? Cos he could just be speculating.

[Badger]

Of course Nigel doesn't deserve the sack at the moment, but he's got to learn fast. As previous posters have said, blowing 12M on one player and not bothering to strengthen the defence and gk position is criminal. The Japanese fellow is a major gamble, and is most obviously a Cortese signing for global branding reasons. Nigel's got to grow a pair and tell Cortese to bugger off. The 3 substitutions were just plainly ridiculous in real time (not hindsight), and anyone who disputes that is just plain deluded. However, Saints were superb at times, but 3 of the back 5 need replacing PDQ. Otherwise we WILL go down. In all a blaze of glory maybe, but you win nothing for gallant suicide. Ward Prowse was simply sensational for a young boy....sensational.

 

Unlikely before January though

[Winchester Red]

Do you say that cos that's what Matt said to you? Cos he could just be speculating.

 

One thing you can be 100% sure of is anything Matt says about NC's intentions is speculation because he's the last person on the planet that NC would confide in!

 

[SaintRobbie]

We should stick with Adkins, consistent management is the key to success, but according to the Star (not very reliable to be fair) our Board have Harry in mind to replace NA. Makes sense in many ways as Arry can manage quality international players, but with Arry comes a need for cash from a wealthy owner. IMHO, if Adkins fails to produce before the Club is sold then Arry could well be on his way back. He is simply the most successful and experienced English manager available.

 

'Stranger things have happened in football'

 

Stick with NA though PLEASE. But, if we're bought out by a wealthy new owner from Asia then keep minds open. I hate to say it, but Arry with cash is almost a dead cert to get us to where we want to be... in the top four and in Europe. The difference this time is that we have an ambitious chairman, board and individual ownership. This club is not being run as a plc anymore. What's more it doesn't have Lowe's toxic leadership. It could work. But, I so hope NA can turn things around soon to take this option off the table. If not it will rumble on. If it does rumble on it will sew sees of doubt in our team. What we need is to get this out the way fast. Either the Board needs to come out and say its rubbish and NA is our man or it does its job and brings in new owners fast with a new strategy and we get behind it. Every day this rumbles on is a nail in our Premier League coffin IMHO.

 

My advice? Stick with NA, it's the best way.

[mulletsaint]

Strangest thing for me was Mayuka as the holding centre forward and Rodriguez on the wing?

 

Surely should have been other way round?

 

But, from what I could see from just behind the bench, the idea was to have Jay put real physical pressure on a tired (and small) Rafael (at least this appeared to be roughly what was signalled).

 

If that was the strategy, it didn't work. But it wasn't insane either.

 

Dunno about insane but pretty flawed. For me Lambert and Lallana both looked tired (lambo more so) but I thought Puncheon could have gone the distance. However tired he was though we have no one else that can hold the ball up like Lambert which when you're under the cosh is vital, so I'd have kept him on until the last possible moment. I'd have put Lee on for Lallana because he wouldn't have given them a moments peace and left Punch on.

 

Anyway, whatever I feel about his decisions I honestly wouldn't have anyone else in charge of this club. I think in Adkins we have a real gem and while he will make mistakes he'll definitely learn from them. He should be given this season no matter what happens and into the next too. I honestly think that at some point our Nige will be managing a much bigger club and we'll do well to keep hold of him for as long as we can.

[Thedelldays]

Dunno about insane but pretty flawed. For me Lambert and Lallana both looked tired (lambo) more so but I thought Puncheon could have gone the distance. However tired he was though we have no one else that can hold the ball up like Lambert which when you're under the cosh is vital, so I'd have kept him on until the last possible moment. I'd have put Lee on for Lallana because he wouldn't have given them a moments peace and left Punch on.

 

Anyway, whatever I feel about his decisions I honestly wouldn't have anyone else in charge of this club. I think in Adkins we have a real gem and while he will make mistakes he'll definitely learn from them. He should be given this season no matter what happens and into the next too. I honestly think that at some point our Nige will be managing a much bigger club and we'll do well to keep hold of him for as long as we can.

trouble is...after the arsenal game..he is going to be under HUGE pressure to pick up wins......and I can see that..if he does not quickly, then he will be under serious threat

[Dellman]

Nigel will stay and we will be that much bigger club

[Bearsy]

"We recognise that frequent changes to the football management are unlikely to assist in the winning of trophies and promotions."

 

Nicola Cortese, August 2010

[Wade Garrett]

Adkins has earned the right to a fair crack of the whip. He's bound to make a few mistakes along the way, but we need to support him.

[Morph]

Adkins has earned the right to a fair crack of the whip. He's bound to make a few mistakes along the way, but we need to support him.

 

I certainly don't want Redknapp and would stick with Adkins, but Adkins now suddenly the favourite to be the first Premier League Manager to face the sack this season with the bookies .

 

Link here :

 

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Wade Garrett]

We need to put things in perspective, Wigan aside, most of the teams in the League would have got nothing against the Manchester clubs. They wouldn't have run them so close either.

[Block 5]

He has an agenda.Im surprised more people cant see it.

 

This.

[tttdcs]

"We recognise that frequent changes to the football management are unlikely to assist in the winning of trophies and promotions."

 

Nicola Cortese, August 2010

 

Good post !

[RonManager]

"We recognise that frequent changes to the football management are unlikely to assist in the winning of trophies and promotions."

 

Nicola Cortese, August 2010

 

Just to put this NC quote into context (for those that may be unaware), it was made as part of the reasoning for sacking Alan Pardew, and not as a general 'mission statement' when taking over the club.

[Dig Dig]

I certainly don't want Redknapp and would stick with Adkins, but Adkins now suddenly the favourite to be the first Premier League Manager to face the sack this season with the bookies .

 

Link here :

 

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nothing sudden about it. We was favourite to go first before the season started ......add to the fact that he's still seen as an ex physio rookie by many. The press can't help but to mention it every team they speak about Adkins. Of course, the fact that NC has some kind of rep for being a "trigger happy" chairman doesn't help

[SaintRobbie]

I would not like it but Redknapp will split the fan base whch has been united for 3 seasons and be a backward step

 

Right up until we started winning games again and he'd be a hero. Fickle bunch with short memories football fans.

 

The one positive about Redknapp coming back for me is that he only wants to work his way for Clubs with a chance of success. He doesnt need the money. Could be a good sign.

 

 

 

..... but I still say Adkins should be left alone and supported for consistency.

[SaintRichmond]

If NA hadn't made those subs and we lost 3-2 everyone would be saying why the f*ck didn't he add some fresh legs, the players were knackered after 75 minutes.

 

I agree with what Le Tiss said after the match, one of the front 3 needed to stay on just in case.

 

As for the Redknapp story, saw Le Tiss a few weeks back and he predicted the NC would not give NA long and Redknapp would replace him so he isn't going to completely rubbish todays report (I think it would be a crazy thing to do though)

 

Strange that none of the Man U players seemed "knackered"

 

So much for Adkins "Saintsfit" policy, thank God they were "Saintsfit", otherwise they would have been knackered after 30 minutes

 

Adkins must have read about Sir Alf Ramsey subbing Bobby Charlton in that match v Germany, which allowed Beckenbaur to run the show and beat England

 

I don't want Redknap back, but Nigel isn't doing himself any favours ATM

[lordswoodsaints]

Tbh honest if the team is not fit enough to last 90 minutes then I want to know why,when strachan was manager he had the team fit enough to last a game and a half and I don't remember losing too many games in the last 15 minutes whilst he was in charge,the players were running around for the whole game not just 3 quarters of it.

The truth is the that Adkins ****ed up with the subs,they should never of happened,Ferdinand couldn't handle lambert and lallana and puncheon were scaring the life out of them,then Adkins decided to bring on 3 players who looked well out of their depth and didn't have a clue.

It was bad management and if he continues to make bad management mistakes then that will eventually lead to his departure,if he learns from those mistakes then he will become a great manager but he has to learn fast.

[St Mikie]

I actually believe that Adkins dropped a bo***ck against Man U with his substitutions, as it opened up the game for them. However, we should not forget what a fickle bunch we are, as a couple of weeks earlier against City he brought on two players who immediately both scored and he was a genius! Lets hope he learns from his mistake and we tear Arsenal a new one!

[Thedelldays]

Tbh honest if the team is not fit enough to last 90 minutes then I want to know why,when strachan was manager he had the team fit enough to last a game and a half and I don't remember losing too many games in the last 15 minutes whilst he was in charge,the players were running around for the whole game not just 3 quarters of it.

The truth is the that Adkins ****ed up with the subs,they should never of happened,Ferdinand couldn't handle lambert and lallana and puncheon were scaring the life out of them,then Adkins decided to bring on 3 players who looked well out of their depth and didn't have a clue.

It was bad management and if he continues to make bad management mistakes then that will eventually lead to his departure,if he learns from those mistakes then he will become a great manager but he has to learn fast.

agree 100%

 

those subs are crazy....

[Graffito]

Do you not think Ferguson's subs made a difference?

 

The one thing I don't understand about Adkins' subs was why he didn't put Rodriquez up top to hold up the ball and give us a chance of retaining possession.

[Thedelldays]

Do you not think Ferguson's subs made a difference?

 

The one thing I don't understand about Adkins' subs was why he didn't put Rodriquez up top to hold up the ball and give us a chance of retaining possession.

I just thought it was mental to put Mayuka up top alone...he had only been at the club 48 hours..

I know people will say it was to use his pace..but we were in control with a big striker keeping Fedinand and vidic (two of the very best) quiet and quick tricky players keeping Rafael and Evra back...IT WAS WORKING AN ABOSOLUTE TREAT...then J-rod left and GULY (ffs) right.....oh my god

 

just utter madness...I don't buy into the tiredness, maybe lallana looked fuked but puncheon (one of the best players on the park) was certainly not

 

so pee'd off as it clearly lost us the game...