Breaking news

[theyin]

Thought this might be of interest to some....

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/how-the-daily-mirror-broke-the-robin-1266386

[Alain Perrin]

Interesting and many here should pay heed. That said you should be shot for the cheap title and not strictly Saints related....

[CB Fry]

Great article.

 

Not that the parade of utter dips h its on this forum will pay any attention to it whatsover. The army of divs blindly convinced that club PR guff is the only gospel truth with no absolutely agenda at all. Oh no. Good morning MLG.

 

 

Wah wah wah journalists are all howwid liars. Wah wah anti Saints agenda. Wah wah wah. etc.

[Cabrone]

Good article but they are fighting a losing battle with one eyed supporters.

 

Many fans believe what they want to believe and rubbish the rest.

 

If anyone posted a link on the recent Ramirez saga saying that the deal was off it got rubbished as 'lazy journalism' or 'rehashed rubbish' whereas a link saying he was coming was treated with interest. Truth is no-one knows, not even the parties doing the negociations.

 

There are some seriously one eyed people on here.

[Bearsy]

Conveniently ignores all the stories they done saying RVP weren't joining United.

 

I've got no problem with the thread title, I knew exactly what I was getting when I clicked in and I knew it weren't gonna be nothing to do with Breaking News bout Saints!

[Turkish]

Great article.

 

Not that the parade of utter dips h its on this forum will pay any attention to it whatsover. The army of divs blindly convinced that club PR guff is the only gospel truth with no absolutely agenda at all. Oh no. Good morning MLG.

 

 

Wah wah wah journalists are all howwid liars. Wah wah anti Saints agenda. Wah wah wah. etc.

 

Apart from when its a positive article in which case it's brilliant journalism and a fantastic reflection on our club and chairman.

[Foxstone]

Great article.

 

Not that the parade of utter dips h its on this forum will pay any attention to it whatsover. The army of divs blindly convinced that club PR guff is the only gospel truth with no absolutely agenda at all. Oh no. Good morning MLG.

 

 

Wah wah wah journalists are all howwid liars. Wah wah anti Saints agenda. Wah wah wah. etc.

 

Good Morning Lord Leveson..

[Crazy Diamond]

What's wrong with waiting for a player signing to be officially announced?

 

Some people are beyond farcical with their impatience. Contacting players through Facebook to ask them what's going on? It's pathetic.

[Viking Warrior]

An excellent article so indicative of our Ramirez thread . I have always believed that those who report on twitter are wum's even Simon peach lastnight saying he was in a pub in Wandsworth . Either some one was a wind up merchant or mr peach has lost his position . We Will be making signing but until they are official announced then I'm going to avoid speculating at this juncture. As for the other thread one individual went on to say the thread was a waste if space but kept adding to it .if it was such a waste of space why post apart from making disparaging remarks against his fellow posters

[gjphilsaint]

because the whole saga is a Trolls paradise.

[Crazy Diamond]

An excellent article so indicative of our Ramirez thread . I have always believed that those who report on twitter are wum's even Simon peach lastnight saying he was in a pub in Wandsworth . Either some one was a wind up merchant or mr peach has lost his position . We Will be making signing but until they are official announced then I'm going to avoid speculating at this juncture. As for the other thread one individual went on to say the thread was a waste if space but kept adding to it .if it was such a waste of space why post apart from making disparaging remarks against his fellow posters

 

Simon is not a 'WUM'. To be honest, if I were him, I'd be telling people to leave me alone. He must get hundreds of mentions every day along the lines of 'are we signing n e one lol'

[The Kraken]

Simon is not a 'WUM'. To be honest, if I were him, I'd be telling people to leave me alone. He must get hundreds of mentions every day along the lines of 'are we signing n e one lol'

 

I think there must be an element of enjoying the limelight of being ITK. Otherwise you wouldn't do it, surely? Hundreds of desperate tryhards constantly asking you "Has he signed yet", constant abuse from faceless wonders and all manner of idiotic accusations and requests for more and more information.

[This Charming Man]

The Martinez and Venables threads are classic examples of our rose tinted, one eyed supporters.

 

Venables predicts we finish bottom - He's a clueless w*nker who has always been useless and doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

Martinez praises us - What a nice chap, speaks so much sense, great manager, will go on to big things blah, blah, blah.

[Viking Warrior]

Crazy diamond I'm sure he's not but it was his alleged post last night about being in the wandsworth arms and for a few ciders he will reveal more . I suspect somebody was imitating him on the forum . I do not know him

[saintbletch]

Great article.

 

Not that the parade of utter dips h its on this forum will pay any attention to it whatsover. The army of divs blindly convinced that club PR guff is the only gospel truth with no absolutely agenda at all. Oh no. Good morning MLG.

 

 

Wah wah wah journalists are all howwid liars. Wah wah anti Saints agenda. Wah wah wah. etc.

 

Do you think it furthers our faith in the transfer stories we read? I didn't quite see it that way.

 

I should first state that I don't have a problem with the tabloids doing what they do. On the whole I enjoy the transfer circus and 'appreciate' the role the press plays in it.

 

It was an interesting article and it was good to hear the other side of the story. It was also educational for someone like me that doesn't have a direct involvement with football PR and the press.

 

But it also came across as if he had a massive chip on his shoulder - it seemed to me that there was plenty of the wah, wah, wahing that you describe, but it was coming from him.

 

The important point for me was where he acknowledged that they will run stories that are sourced, but acknowledged that the source might have an agenda for feeding the story to them.

 

Every transfer story that you read on MirrorFootball or in the Daily Mirror has been properly sourced. Sure, that source might be someone with a point to make or a message to send via the press - an agent wanting a better deal for his player, or a manager testing the water with regard to a potential purchase or sale, say.

 

So we should be safe in the knowledge that the story was verified and sourced, even though it might be complete b****cks made up by the verified source.

 

I think I knew this before. The 'press' will print made up stuff, it's just extremely unlikely that they will have made it up themselves.

 

But here's my issue with his holier-than-thou stance - it's win-win for the journalist to run with a sourced and verified story even if he suspects it's completely invented by "someone with a point to make or a message to send via the press". At the end of it, they will have sold more newspapers and generated more online clicks.

 

It's the business they're in. So we're back to the fact that we will read stuff that is made up - by someone.

[david in sweden]

don't know if the Mirror is trying to paint itself "whiter than white ", but the facts in their article are a complete catalogue of all the twists and turns, problems and set-backs that can hinder / destroy a deal.

 

I've never considered the Mirror to be the Oracle when it comes to factual evidence and...dare I say the word TRUTH (!), but in this instant they may have been correct.

 

If any of the ongoing, well-publicised negotiations succeeds the fans will say ; we got a good deal to sign him , if the deal falls through.it's the Chairmans fault and we are lacking ambition.

 

In the end... it's the team who needs to win, and sometimes not only the club who gets the rough end of the deal.

[Crazy Diamond]

I think there must be an element of enjoying the limelight of being ITK. Otherwise you wouldn't do it, surely? Hundreds of desperate tryhards constantly asking you "Has he signed yet", constant abuse from faceless wonders and all manner of idiotic accusations and requests for more and more information.

 

To be honest, I think Blackmore is cashing in a little bit on his new found fame through Twitter. I don't think he would have written that blog otherwise. He's on Twitter now, found a lot of Saints fans are following him, clamouring for answers, he's now using that popularity. It's not done him any good with the club anyway, or at least so I'm told (how ironic, I might be ITK about something!) As for Simon, I've never really seen him flaunting it because he knows one or two things.

 

Having worked in football, including at Saints, you hear things from time to time and I can't say I took any great pleasure in knowing about insider stuff. The shine is well and truly taken off when someone finds out you know something and you get hundreds of people asking you about it. It's even job threatening as clubs make employees sign confidentiality agreements. Even work experience kids have to do it.

 

Crazy diamond I'm sure he's not but it was his alleged post last night about being in the wandsworth arms and for a few ciders he will reveal more . I suspect somebody was imitating him on the forum . I do not know him

 

That seemed to me to be a quite obvious joke, but never mind.

 

The Martinez and Venables threads are classic examples of our rose tinted, one eyed supporters.

 

Venables predicts we finish bottom - He's a clueless w*nker who has always been useless and doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

Martinez praises us - What a nice chap, speaks so much sense, great manager, will go on to big things blah, blah, blah.

 

Very good point.

 

Personally I'm not worried about what either of those two or any other pundit thinks. I doubt they'll have seen us play much and are just reading names on our Wikipedia squad list and going 'good enough' 'not good enough 'not good enough' etc.

[theyin]

As the journo states, they have sources, they print what thy hear, they are in the business of informing us, we want to hear about our club ( 'coz we sure ain't going to get it from them ) as WTF else are we going to drone on about on here?

 

If you don't like it, don't read the papers and certainly don't comment on any rumours as as with most things, the truth is out there, you just have to deal with some carp to get at it. A bit like life really.

 

Don't understand saintbleach or David in sweden's comments at all and as for the journo doing the wah wahs ...????????

[david in sweden]

As the journo states,. Don't understand saintbleach or David in sweden's comments at all and as for the journo doing the wah wahs ...????????

 

well...speaking for myself...

 

a lifetime of listening to politicians should have taught me, but I do like to think that some of the " absolute truths " that are printed in some papers...might have a grain of validity to them...

(even of they claim they have a " good source ")

[Crazy Diamond]

As the journo states, they have sources, they print what thy hear, they are in the business of informing us, we want to hear about our club ( 'coz we sure ain't going to get it from them ) as WTF else are we going to drone on about on here?

 

If you don't like it, don't read the papers and certainly don't comment on any rumours as as with most things, the truth is out there, you just have to deal with some carp to get at it. A bit like life really.

 

Don't understand saintbleach or David in sweden's comments at all and as for the journo doing the wah wahs ...????????

 

Excuse me?

[saintbletch]

As the journo states, they have sources, they print what thy hear, they are in the business of informing us, we want to hear about our club ( 'coz we sure ain't going to get it from them ) as WTF else are we going to drone on about on here?

 

If you don't like it, don't read the papers and certainly don't comment on any rumours as as with most things, the truth is out there, you just have to deal with some carp to get at it. A bit like life really.

 

I agree with all that.

 

Don't understand saintbleach or David in sweden's comments at all and as for the journo doing the wah wahs ...????????

 

You didn't pick up on the Mirror complaining about its harsh treatment at the hands of Twitter users theyin?

Edited 24 August, 2012 by saintbletch
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[theyin]

Saintbletch.....

 

Not sure about complainingg...just stating the fact, which it is, that many twieeters, like many on here, simply rubbish anything they come up with and simply believe everything is made up at the morning editorial meeting and then they go out on the large.

 

If you were being slagged of in your job for doing what your employed to do, wouldn't you have something to say? The fact is there is now a forum where anyone can now view what would've originally have been a letter to an ed. If you consider it a journo having a whine so be it. For me, if he's got the ability to 'fight' back against his and his colleagues detractors, so be it. It's a dog eat dog world.

[jam]

I agree with all that.

 

 

 

You didn't pick up on the Mirror complaining about its harsh treatment at the hands of Twitter users theyin?

 

Saintbletch.....

 

Not sure about complainingg...just stating the fact, which it is, that many twieeters, like many on here, simply rubbish anything they come up with and simply believe everything is made up at the morning editorial meeting and then they go out on the large.

 

If you were being slagged of in your job for doing what your employed to do, wouldn't you have something to say? The fact is there is now a forum where anyone can now view what would've originally have been a letter to an ed. If you consider it a journo having a whine so be it. For me, if he's got the ability to 'fight' back against his and his colleagues detractors, so be it. It's a dog eat dog world.

 

 

Aahhh... I think I get it.

 

Theyin, when you wrote "as for the journo doing the wah wahs" - you were criticising the people on this thread who were moaning about the Mirror piece. Is that right?

 

When you read it is comes across more like you're having a pop at the journo themselves...

[theyin]

Forgive my ramblings Jam but yeah, you got it

[Frank's cousin]

That Journo's not whining, he's publicising and he is totally right, his job is to tell people what they hear and pass on the information. But they do have to make a decision, do they simply 'pass-on' what they hear, or do they filter out the dross and only print evidence backed information? Do they want accurate well informed readers or just volume of readers desperate for gossip? Whilst I am all for 'responsible journalism' as although as they say they 'reflect' public opinion' - they also have a major influence upon it - at the end of the day each of us has to make up their own mind as to whether its BS or trustworthy. Blaming bull s hitters for inaccurate information is no real excuse if you have no idea on teh credibilty of the source - we need to take some fricken responsibilty for what we believe in what we read/hear.

[theyin]

So now we know what we're dealing with, quotes can be seen as having a greater validity and rest, well we take it as we see it. Possibly a creditable leak from within a club or someone with an agenda. Wherever it's from, it's what we, for better or worse, demand, else why buy papers or click online?

 

You may as well just wait on the OS for your updates.

[saintbletch]

Saintbletch.....

 

Not sure about complainingg...just stating the fact, which it is, that many twieeters, like many on here, simply rubbish anything they come up with and simply believe everything is made up at the morning editorial meeting and then they go out on the large.

 

If you were being slagged of in your job for doing what your employed to do, wouldn't you have something to say? The fact is there is now a forum where anyone can now view what would've originally have been a letter to an ed. If you consider it a journo having a whine so be it. For me, if he's got the ability to 'fight' back against his and his colleagues detractors, so be it. It's a dog eat dog world.

 

Again, I don't disagree with any of that theyin.

 

I was simply struck that it was suggested that when someone complains about the way journalists were treating their club, it was wah, wah, wah. But when the press complains about its treatment at the hands of Twitter users, it's in some way the right thing to do.

 

If I had to come down on either side of the argument I'd side with the Mirror's position. I simply couldn't help thinking that the Mirror writer was coming across as having an enormous Twitter-shaped chip on his shoulder...

 

Attention Twitter warriors: this one's for you (Sub heading).

 

All soap operas worth the name need a villain of pantomime proportions. and for much of this one MirrorFootball fulfilled that role.

people have been forming disorderly queues to pour scorn on our stories.

The vitriol only increased when, 10 days later...

Faceless Twitter warriors claimed we print lies, bull**** or just make up our stories...They parroted the party line that Arsenal and van Persie's people had agreed a media blackout

 

And yet this was seen by the masses as yet more evidence that we were sat in a dark room somewhere making transfer stories up for kicks.

So for the benefit of the Twitter massive, this is how transfer stories like Van Persie's come about.

 

...and that given the "wah, wha, wha" comment, it looked to me like the Mirror was doing its fair share of wha, wha ,wahing.

[jam]

I simply couldn't help thinking that the Mirror writer was coming across as having an enormous Twitter-shaped chip on his shoulder...

 

 

Have to agree with you there, although it must be pretty frustrating if you put a story together and make sure it's solid enough to print only to be faced with a load of randoms either dismissing it as an agenda or simply copying rumours from the Internet.

 

If I was a journo I think I'd be banging my head against a wall when faced with the amount of people who seem to think that publishing something in a newspaper equates in anyway to some nobody posting on Twitter or any other internet site.