Wigan attendance

[stug76]

Nope.

 

Everybody(????) on here was saying how Man City would sell out, why weren't they being ridiculed for mentioning attendances before the game (boohoooo..:lol:)? Why is that any different to people moaning about slow ticket sales for the Wigan game?

 

What was the attendance by the way?

[This Charming Man]

What was the attendance by the way?

 

Sorry, you seem to have misunderstood my post and thought I was implying that I care what you think.

 

No idea what the attendance was, all I know is it wasn't sold out.

[stug76]

Sorry, you seem to have misunderstood my post and thought I was implying that I care what you think.

 

No idea what the attendance was, all I know is it wasn't sold out.

 

 

Sorry, by responding to my post, and ending it with a question I'd assumed that you at least had passing interest in what I had to say. Apologies once again.

 

By the way, I was referring to the Wigan attendance that seems to have got some (not "all", you'll notice) people worked up.

[Joe Kirkup]

2677 left (935 in blk 43 ). Still plenty in my block (12) no-one even close to me. Must be something I said

Now blk 44 is available. 2767 left. BTW 47 left for Man U

[SNOWY]

Now blk 44 is available. 2767 left. BTW 47 left for Man U

Does that figure include corporate seats?

[Joe Kirkup]

No, they are separate I think.

[The Kraken]

Bang on 2,700 left now. Blocks 43 and 44 account for some 1,300 or so of those, the other 1,400 are Itchen and Chapel. Completely sold out from blocks 30 to 42 (Kingsland and Northam). And no, corporate seats are definitely not included in those.

[SNOWY]

Thanks Chaps, so assuming they are struggling to sell the corporate 30k will be about the max figure. Depending of course on how many Wigan sell.

[SuperMikey]

I'm going, and that's all you really need.

[Turkish]

What were you told 'back in the summer' Walter? You haven't mentioned it for a good few minutes. BTW why are you commenting on a post directed at TCM? Ah, yes I get it Walt.

 

I thought I was reply to one directed at me, Barry.

[JRM]

Bang on 2,700 left now. Blocks 43 and 44 account for some 1,300 or so of those, the other 1,400 are Itchen and Chapel. Completely sold out from blocks 30 to 42 (Kingsland and Northam). And no, corporate seats are definitely not included in those.

 

that's not bad really and i am sure there will be a decent walk up on the day, will be good to fill blocks 43 + 44 and take the chance of having saints fans fully behind each goal.

 

if the figure about of 47 tickets left for Man Utd is correct that will surely be a complete sell out within a few hours.

[The Kraken]

Thanks Chaps, so assuming they are struggling to sell the corporate 30k will be about the max figure. Depending of course on how many Wigan sell.

Wigan's allocation is up to 1600, but I imagine they will take much less than 1,000. This is their away following from last year's game at Norwich.

 

 

Add in a few corporates not being sold, seats being used for segregation, and potentially not selling out the home allocation around the ground, between 30,000 and 31,000 seems a reasonable estimate.

[JRM]

Wigan's allocation is up to 1600, but I imagine they will take much less than 1,000. This is their away following from last year's game at Norwich.

 

 

Add in a few corporates not being sold, seats being used for segregation, and potentially not selling out the home allocation around the ground, between 30,000 and 31,000 seems a reasonable estimate.

 

i have seen them at Fulham (on a sunday i think, although might have been mid-week) and they only have about 250, also when they were at the Emirates for the televised game near the end of the season last year they had what was the smallest away following ever there. Really poor support, considering most teams who play in london can be boosted by a few who have moved down there.

As we have never played them in a league game i can see a few making the most of a bank holiday trip to the south coast so will guess 600 away fans for saturday

[fanimal]

Never ever have they been a PL club or team in my eyes, no substance at all.

[The Kraken]

Never ever have they been a PL club or team in my eyes, no substance at all.

Fair play to them for surviving in the Premier League. They only got accepted into League football in the 70s. Back then they had crowds of around 1,000 - 2,000. Their home average is now 18,000, so their rise has been rapid. And they have 9 or 10 other more established and popular clubs all within 25 miles of them, so competition for floating fans is extremely fierce.

 

Don't know why people feel such antipathy towards Wigan; they're a small town success story, plus they have a decent manager and play a good brand of football. their away support is often laughable but in general tersm I think they should be applauded for what they've achieved so far.

[JustMike]

Fair play to them for surviving in the Premier League. They only got accepted into League football in the 70s. Back then they had crowds of around 1,000 - 2,000. Their home average is now 18,000, so their rise has been rapid. And they have 9 or 10 other more established and popular clubs all within 25 miles of them, so competition for floating fans is extremely fierce.

 

Don't know why people feel such antipathy towards Wigan; they're a small town success story, plus they have a decent manager and play a good brand of football. their away support is often laughable but in general tersm I think they should be applauded for what they've achieved so far.

 

Credit due to Roberto, fantastic job he has done there, and he is loyal to boot

[Saint Garrett]

Done fantastic to stay there, but the hate breeds from jealousy. 'Big' clubs in the NPC are jealous that Wigan are there and they're not.

[krissyboy31]

Never ever have they been a PL club or team in my eyes, no substance at all.

 

The last eight seasons say you're wrong.

[Tom & Gerry]

What I don't understand though is why don't other clubs have fans that go on holiday, have family commitments and work commitments? Why are we the only club that suffer from this?

 

I think they probably do, don't you? If they sell out all their games they probably have more fans than us, or a smaller stadium.

[aintforever]

Fair play to them for surviving in the Premier League. They only got accepted into League football in the 70s. Back then they had crowds of around 1,000 - 2,000. Their home average is now 18,000, so their rise has been rapid. And they have 9 or 10 other more established and popular clubs all within 25 miles of them, so competition for floating fans is extremely fierce.

 

Don't know why people feel such antipathy towards Wigan; they're a small town success story, plus they have a decent manager and play a good brand of football. their away support is often laughable but in general tersm I think they should be applauded for what they've achieved so far.

 

Just goes to show how a fan base can grow with success.

[Bucks Saint]

I think they probably do, don't you? If they sell out all their games they probably have more fans than us, or a smaller stadium.

 

Of course they do. But we are the better supported club for sure. Come Saturday, we may have about 10,000 some time fans who are not there. Most weeks Man U play at home they have over a million fans who have not shown up at all. Crap commitment

[CB Fry]

I can see why you might have that imporession, but I do think there is a big difference between in effect disounting to fill seats - a negative and quite rightly flawed commercial model, and looking at the type of pricing models they have in Germany etc a greater scale that ensure a broader access bit to kids or thsoe on tighetr budgets.

 

Say we did extend the stadium now and invested say 40mil to achieve a 42k capacity - base on the finances say in meant that we needed to ensure we not only met our existing comittments, + the loans for the cap ex but also wanted to ensure teh value was in INCREASED overall revenues.

 

If the per game break even average was for arguments sake 900k that is 30000 at £30 average ticket price - now if we expanded and the break even figure was 1.2 mil a game we now need 40000 at £30 - my question to you would be if that 1.2 mil was achievd by offereing a wider range of ticket prices especially for kids and teh like or certain sections available at cheper rates to attract say younger les affluent fans - and there WAS demand for that meant we could average 40,000, would you say it was worth doing - given that the advantage is primarily greter access and building the fan base?

 

I know what you and others have said in that the only justificatio should be whether an increase in capacity means increase in revenues to helps us develop as a club etc - and that's a fair point, but its should surely also be about growing the profile and status of the club an if that could be achieved without making a loss then is this so wrong a concept.

 

Yes discounting is wrong, but a bigger price range is not discounting, its still a fixed model but one that is flexible enough to be accessable to a larger demographiccof potential fan - I say this as I do not believe we will ever be in a position where we can sell out 45k at £40-50 a ticket... or more in future.

 

Yes the German model includes cheaper standing sections - but it works and means crowds are flourishing and tehir clubs are doing pretty well considering teh TV revenues are no where near as high as we get.

 

 

 

Lots of baseless assumptions as usual.

 

Safe standing never going to happen.

 

German model: cheaper tickets.

Broadening appeal: cheaper tickets.

Less well off fans: cheaper tickets.

Accessible to larger demographic: cheaper tickets.

 

As soon as you start discounting to chase gates you have a problem. Mainly because you always assume the current fanbase will continue to pay what they pay now and these exciting new prices will be the preserve of brand new, incremental fans. A totally nebulous concept.

[Tom & Gerry]

Winning the league might increase the fanbase. Other than that cutting the ticket price is the only way. You can not turn leafy Hampshire in to Greater Manchester and I don't suppose most of us would want to.

[Griffo]

Is it sold out now? Wigan tickets aren't showing up as available to buy on the ticketing site.

[Griffo]

..and now looking on the site for United tickets, they show up as available to buy but having clicked on every block I can't find a single available seat. Weird.

[JRM]

..and now looking on the site for United tickets, they show up as available to buy but having clicked on every block I can't find a single available seat. Weird.

 

i did that earlier while looking for Arsenal tickets , Man Utd show "to buy" but clicking on every block they had 0 available so that game must be sold out.

[krissyboy31]

Is it sold out now? Wigan tickets aren't showing up as available to buy on the ticketing site.

 

i did that earlier while looking for Arsenal tickets , Man Utd show "to buy" but clicking on every block they had 0 available so that game must be sold out.

 

Hadn't read this before but just been on and found the same. Would be nice to have some clarification from the club.

[The9]

Might be the case that they've screwed up the system again, maybe someone hit the wrong button when switching on the Arsenal away sales or something...

[theyin]

I don't understand why people are lambasting the numbers supporting a club who have only been in the league for 34 years and whose town is largely supportive of another footballing code. Why is the figure of 250 travelling support at all embarrassing?

DW decided to spill a shed load into his passion, he doesn't seem to complain if he can't get the majority of the town (dwarfed by nearby Lancashire neighbours) behind his team due to their preference for RL and to boot, offers his managers greater support and loyalty that most PL managers could only dream of.

Dare I raise a cliche, but surely the club should be applauded for playing above their station inspite of this?

Just don't get it ... that's all

[ericofarabia]

I don't understand why people are lambasting the numbers supporting a club who have only been in the league for 34 years and whose town is largely supportive of another footballing code. Why is the figure of 250 travelling support at all embarrassing?

DW decided to spill a shed load into his passion, he doesn't seem to complain if he can't get the majority of the town (dwarfed by nearby Lancashire neighbours) behind his team due to their preference for RL and to boot, offers his managers greater support and loyalty that most PL managers could only dream of.

Dare I raise a cliche, but surely the club should be applauded for playing above their station inspite of this?

Just don't get it ... that's all

 

Spot On. I wonder how Big our support would be if instead of having Skatesmuff and Bompey within 30 miles of SMS we had Bolton (stop sn1ggering at the back) 11 miles. Liverpool & Everton 20 miles and Man City and Man Ure 25 miles away?

 

Plus Wigan has traditionally been A Rugby League Town, the club as mentioned has barely any history to call on, only 2 generations of fans at a push, yet have survived relatively comfortably in The Prem for 7 (?) seasons on much lesser resources than just about every other team in the division.

 

Certainly punching well above their weight, but for all that they will always been seen as a small club by the rest of the Prem, but I bet there isn't a single one of us who 'hasn't let out a mighty cheer when hearing end of match scores at SMS if Wigan beating any of the Top Boys is read out.

 

With the expectation of probable defeats in the other 3 games the pressure on a win against is huge - hope the players, manager and crowd keep their resolve and patience if we aren't 3-0 up in 10 mins!!

[StDunko]

Spot On. I wonder how Big our support would be if instead of having Skatesmuff and Bompey within 30 miles of SMS we had Bolton (stop sn1ggering at the back) 11 miles. Liverpool & Everton 20 miles and Man City and Man Ure 25 miles away?

 

Plus Wigan has traditionally been A Rugby League Town, the club as mentioned has barely any history to call on, only 2 generations of fans at a push, yet have survived relatively comfortably in The Prem for 7 (?) seasons on much lesser resources than just about every other team in the division.

 

Certainly punching well above their weight, but for all that they will always been seen as a small club by the rest of the Prem, but I bet there isn't a single one of us who 'hasn't let out a mighty cheer when hearing end of match scores at SMS if Wigan beating any of the Top Boys is read out.

 

With the expectation of probable defeats in the other 3 games the pressure on a win against is huge - hope the players, manager and crowd keep their resolve and patience if we aren't 3-0 up in 10 mins!!

 

Just to play devils advocate though, surely you could use those facts to make the opposite arguement. Man City, Manure, Liverpool and Everton etc. all have to compete against each other for support in an area where egg-chasing is popular, but they all manage it far better than Wigan. Lets face it Wigan is only known as a RL town because their footy club is so small and poorly supported. Leeds is a big RL town, but I don't ever remember them pulling out the "Rubgy Town" excuse! So surely it is fair to make derogatory judgement about there very poor levels of support.

[The9]

It's not even that Wigan is a traditional rugby league town, they've only been in the Football League for 35 years, that means they don't have generations on generations of dads and lads going to matches as a basis for their support and probably wouldn't have even if they didn't have rugby to go to.

 

In 1995 Wigan Athletic had the lowest attendance of the 92 clubs of 1,748. That's a pretty low hardcore to be building from, even if all those people brought 2 kids (U-17 ) they'd only be getting around 5,000. They have no choice but to aggressively market the club.

[Griffo]

I've just been a sad b*stard and counted up the available numbers of seats in each block. There are still 2,336 tickets available. 1,100 of these are in blocks 43 and 44 which are open to us now after Wigan sent back a chunk of their tickets.

[Turkish]

Just to play devils advocate though, surely you could use those facts to make the opposite arguement. Man City, Manure, Liverpool and Everton etc. all have to compete against each other for support in an area where egg-chasing is popular, but they all manage it far better than Wigan. Lets face it Wigan is only known as a RL town because their footy club is so small and poorly supported. Leeds is a big RL town, but I don't ever remember them pulling out the "Rubgy Town" excuse! So surely it is fair to make derogatory judgement about there very poor levels of support.

 

Probably because Leeds is the third biggest city in the country and have often had a very successful team in the past. It also draws support from large towns like Wakefield, Harrogate and York. There isn't another decent sized club in about a 30 mile radius. Wigan is a small town with a fair few huge cities and clubs near them so it's an utterly ridiculous comparison.

[This Charming Man]

I've just been a sad b*stard and counted up the available numbers of seats in each block. There are still 2,336 tickets available. 1,100 of these are in blocks 43 and 44 which are open to us now after Wigan sent back a chunk of their tickets.

 

So that must mean there are currently 2, 336 Southampton fans on holiday.

[Turkish]

I've just been a sad b*stard and counted up the available numbers of seats in each block. There are still 2,336 tickets available. 1,100 of these are in blocks 43 and 44 which are open to us now after Wigan sent back a chunk of their tickets.

 

thats not bad, 2,336 seats out of 50,000 left. Oh wait, we didn't expand this summer did we, despite some of the intellegent posters claiming that we should do it and do it now. I just cant understand where these premier league fans are. Its odd.

[The Kraken]

I've just been a sad b*stard and counted up the available numbers of seats in each block. There are still 2,336 tickets available. 1,100 of these are in blocks 43 and 44 which are open to us now after Wigan sent back a chunk of their tickets.

 

They're not exactly flying out then; I did the same on Wednesday and there were 2,700 available, 1300 or so in 43 and 44. With Wigan likely to only bring around a few hundred (in an available allocation of 1613) plus segregation, and with the corporate areas not sold out, there's a reasonable chance this could not reach the 30,000 mark.

[Mattio]

Just got my tickets woooop!

[paris]

People still buying see above .....

[100%Red&White]

People still buying see above .....

 

.....and a couple of thousand available for a walk-up tomorrow.

 

Empty seats in the away section and corporate would see it fall short of a 'sell-out' anyway.

[The Cat]

Chance of heavy showers tomorrow. That will cut the number of walk ups because loads of people in Southampton don't have coats or umbrellas.

[Turkish]

Chance of heavy showers tomorrow. That will cut the number of walk ups because loads of people in Southampton don't have coats or umbrellas.

 

It's well known that a bit of rain has a dramatic impact on attendances.

[This Charming Man]

Any roadworks out there?

 

The chance of any traffic jams extending people's journey time by 15mins or so usually has a negative impact on ticket sales.

[stev2001]

thats not bad, 2,336 seats out of 50,000 left. Oh wait, we didn't expand this summer did we, despite some of the intellegent posters claiming that we should do it and do it now. I just cant understand where these premier league fans are. Its odd.

Not sure why I'm biting on this but if we are near selling out against one of the least attractive fixtures in the league, isn't this a sign that we might need to expand in the future? Please no one respond to this unless they have something different to say than in the other stadium expansion threads.

[This Charming Man]

Not sure why I'm biting on this but if we are near selling out against one of the least attractive fixtures in the league, isn't this a sign that we might need to expand in the future? Please no one respond to this unless they have something different to say than in the other stadium expansion threads.

 

Ummmm... no.

 

A clear sign of expanding the ground is a mad scramble for tickets and sell out after sell out.

[The Kraken]

Not sure why I'm biting on this but if we are near selling out against one of the least attractive fixtures in the league, isn't this a sign that we might need to expand in the future? Please no one respond to this unless they have something different to say than in the other stadium expansion threads.

 

I can see why the Man Utd game selling out could potentially be used for justifying that, of course. Why do you think having 2,000 unsold home tickets represents the same justification?

[stug76]

It's well known that a bit of rain has a dramatic impact on attendances.

 

Any roadworks out there?

 

The chance of any traffic jams extending people's journey time by 15mins or so usually has a negative impact on ticket sales.

 

IMO, this is probably the least exciting match on the calendar, if we get in excess of 30k it would be a pretty good showing.

 

In your opinions, what would reflect a decent turnout for the game against Wigan? What % of capacity would you suggest that we need to get to prove that the current capacity doesn't meet our requirements for matchday attendance?

[This Charming Man]

IMO, this is probably the least exciting match on the calendar, if we get in excess of 30k it would be a pretty good showing.

 

In your opinions, what would reflect a decent turnout for the game against Wigan? What % of capacity would you suggest that we need to get to prove that the current capacity doesn't meet our requirements for matchday attendance?

 

 

Factoring in it's the first game of the season and our first home game back in the Premiership for 7 years, anything less than a sell out would be pretty poor, IMO.

[stev2001]

Ummmm... no.

 

A clear sign of expanding the ground is a mad scramble for tickets and sell out after sell out.

Fair enough, we have different options on that then. I think if there is a mad scramble for Wigan tickets we've left it too late.

[The Kraken]

IMO, this is probably the least exciting match on the calendar, if we get in excess of 30k it would be a pretty good showing.

 

In your opinions, what would reflect a decent turnout for the game against Wigan? What % of capacity would you suggest that we need to get to prove that the current capacity doesn't meet our requirements for matchday attendance?

We already know it doesn't. In the top league, against the big sides, its never ever been in doubt that we sell out and could sell more tickets if the capacity were there. That's never been the issue.

 

The issue is; what is a realistic and consistent maximum attendance? How many tickets would we sell for the top games; for the mid-range games; and for the lower ranked games? And is it financially viable to build a larger stadium to handle the popularity of the more popular games given the expected attendances of the mid-range and lower-ranked games.