Turkish Posted 21 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2012 In other news, 38,400 turned up at Goodison to see tiny little Everton against Man U live on Sky last night. Just like London, Newcastle and Manchester No one in Merseyside on holiday this August it seems. It's only Southampton that are struggling to fill their stadium, which is far too small for them already, due to summer holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 (edited) If we have 22.5 k season ticket holders and say another 22.5k fans who want to go to games but can't get to them all for financial or other reasons that means we have a potential home crowd for big home games of 45k plus away support. The fact that a quarter of them are coming to the less attractive Wigan game is quite impressive and bodes well for attendances for the rest of the season. Or why not just go by the actual tickets sold? For which neither game has sold out yet (and the Man U game was previously being talked about as being almost impossible to get tickets for). Is that not perhaps slightly more relevant than making up random numbers? Edited 21 August, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2012 imo its sad that your still trying to point score on a subject that i & i reckon the majority of other posters on here had hoped was long dead. why bother ? can't see the point of it all to be honest . Not really point scoring. In the opening posts of the thread I was very clear to invite the "intelligent posters" to explain why we were struggling to sell out this game and tickets were slow for Man United. These same "intelligent posters" had assured us that St Mary's was too small for us and here were literally thousands of fans from all over England celebrating promotion with us as it meant they could now come to Southampton to watch premier league football. So far "intelligent posters" havent come up with a plausible explanation as to where these fans are. Plenty of personal insults, especially on page one, not one explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 (edited) imo its sad that your still trying to point score on a subject that i & i reckon the majority of other posters on here had hoped was long dead. why bother ? can't see the point of it all to be honest . And yet here you are still telling everyone what a pointless discussion it is, and how it shouldn't be talked about, yet still joining in. Very odd. This will be an ongoing topic of conversation probably for a few years. Simply because a lot of people (including myself) have expressed a belief that we may in future need a bigger stadium. The topic of conversation will revolve around when that should happen. Right now, initial indications would suggest it shouldn't be right now, or any time soon. But things may change, and things will be discussed when they do. If you don't like that, don't join in. Edited 21 August, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 And yet here you are still telling everyone what a pointless discussion it is, and how it shouldn't be talked about, yet still joining in. Very odd. This will be an ongoing topic of conversation probably for a few years. Simply because a lot of people (including myself) have expressed a belief that we may in future need a bigger stadium. The topic of conversation will revolve around when that should happen. Right now, initial indications would suggest it shouldn't be right now, or any time soon. But things may change, and things will be discussed when they do. If you don't like that, don't join in. i don't normally join in but find it tiresome the manner i which it this has been discussed. i agree with a lot of what you & Turkish have said in fact & believe that view point is the correct one at this time. i just feel that the initial discussions became very personal between a number of posters so the subject has been used to point score ever since. pity imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 How come Everton nearly sold out last night for a Monday night game on telly and Fulham, QPR, Newcastle and Man City sold out this weekend? Is Southampton the only club in the country that is greatly affected by family holidays? Newcastle - sold out West Ham - 34172 vs capacity 35647 - 95.9% Fulham - 25062 - capacity 25700 - 97.5% QPR - 18072 - cap 19148 - 94.4% Man City - 46190 - cap 48000 - 96.2% Everton 95.1% Wigan 78.5% Arsenal 99.4% Reading 99.1% West Brom 93% Only Newcastle, Arsenal and possibly Reading sold out. We have possibly the least attractive opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 We did actually. We used to sell out every game in the Strachan era. 2002-3 Middlesborough 28341 Charlton 25714 Fulham 26188 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 i don't normally join in but find it tiresome the manner i which it this has been discussed. i agree with a lot of what you & Turkish have said in fact & believe that view point is the correct one at this time. i just feel that the initial discussions became very personal between a number of posters so the subject has been used to point score ever since. pity imo So don't make it personal. You chose to come in the thread without actually discussing anything and doing nothing but pouring scorn. I'd welcome the ooportunity to discuss it with those who have previously stated my views as "nonsense" and as having a "Dell sized mentality" for saying that we're not ready for a bigger stadium yet. The attendance for the Wigan game will likely be quite impressive against one of the more "unpopular" sides. Tickets still being available for the Man U game is very surprising to me, especially given the rhetoric from some of how difficult it was previously to get one in the PL against the big sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Or why not just go by the actual tickets sold? For which neither game has sold out yet (and the Man U game was previously being talked about as being almost impossible to get tickets for). Is that not perhaps slightly more relevant than making up random numbers? Shows how impressive the Wigan attendance is. If we have less than 45k potential supporters then a large percentage of our floaters are prepared to come to a less attractive game or perhaps we have more than 45k potential supporters. The Man U game will sell out trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2012 (edited) Newcastle - sold out West Ham - 34172 vs capacity 35647 - 95.9% Fulham - 25062 - capacity 25700 - 97.5% QPR - 18072 - cap 19148 - 94.4% Man City - 46190 - cap 48000 - 96.2% Everton 95.1% Wigan 78.5% Arsenal 99.4% Reading 99.1% West Brom 93% Only Newcastle, Arsenal and possibly Reading sold out. We have possibly the least attractive opposition. Nice try. We were 1,000 short for Man City, add in segregation and I bet every Man City tickets was sold. Same with the others who were 95% of capacity, away fans and segregation. For example our official capacity is 32,689 yet our complete sell out matches last season of Pompey, Coventry, Reading and West ham had crowds of 31 743 32636, 31892, 32351. All short of capacity with full take up of tickets from home and away fans. In fact two of those fixture set record crowds at the time, despite being well below the official capacity. I doubt Stoke and Swansea took their full allocation and we certainly didn't. Edited 21 August, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Shows how impressive the Wigan attendance is. If we have less than 45k potential supporters then a large percentage of our floaters are prepared to come to a less attractive game or perhaps we have more than 45k potential supporters. The Man U game will sell out trust me. You obviously haven't read my earlier post where I said I know the MU game will sell out. Why do we only have 45k potential supporters? The club published database figures that are massively in excess of that figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Shows how impressive the Wigan attendance is. If we have less than 45k potential supporters then a large percentage of our floaters are prepared to come to a less attractive game or perhaps we have more than 45k potential supporters. The Man U game will sell out trust me. Sorry, where has this figure of 45,000 potential fans come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 You obviously haven't read my earlier post where I said I know the MU game will sell out. Why do we only have 45k potential supporters? The club published database figures that are massively in excess of that figure. Man U will definately sell out only about 150 tickets left online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Man U will definately sell out only about 150 tickets left online Wow, do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Sorry, where has this figure of 45,000 potential fans come from? MLG's 50k stadium plans would be in tatters if that were true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDogMatt Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Nice try. We were 1,000 short for Man City, add in segregation and I bet every Man City tickets was sold. Same with the others who were 95% of capacity, away fans and segregation. For example our official capacity is 32,689 yet our complete sell out matches last season of Pompey, Coventry, Reading and West ham had crowds of 31 743 32636, 31892, 32351. All short of capacity with full take up of tickets from home and away fans. In fact two of those fixture set record crowds at the time, despite being well below the official capacity. I doubt Stoke and Swansea took their full allocation and we certainly didn't. I have no interest in joining the arguement but there were several patches of empty seats at Man City in the home areas, as you would know if you had been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 You obviously haven't read my earlier post where I said I know the MU game will sell out. Why do we only have 45k potential supporters? The club published database figures that are massively in excess of that figure. I was trying to illustrate why the Wigan attendance was impressive. It was suggested that 6000 non season ticket holders buying tickets was poor. I was saying IF we had as many non season ticket holders as season tickets holders who pick and chose matches then a quarter had chosen the Wigan match and that was quite impressive. If we've got more than 45k potential ticket buyers that is also impressive and means most matches are likely to sell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 I was trying to illustrate why the Wigan attendance was impressive. It was suggested that 6000 non season ticket holders buying tickets was poor. I was saying IF we had as many non season ticket holders as season tickets holders who pick and chose matches then a quarter had chosen the Wigan match and that was quite impressive. If we've got more than 45k potential ticket buyers that is also impressive and means most matches are likely to sell out. We quite clearly don't have that many. You've just made those figures up. We've got far in excess of those figures, the club have even published figures of how many are on the database of paying customers (not even attending customers). Why are you ignoring those figures actually published by the club to try and make your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2012 I was trying to illustrate why the Wigan attendance was impressive. It was suggested that 6000 non season ticket holders buying tickets was poor. I was saying IF we had as many non season ticket holders as season tickets holders who pick and chose matches then a quarter had chosen the Wigan match and that was quite impressive. If we've got more than 45k potential ticket buyers that is also impressive and means most matches are likely to sell out. What a strange arguement, pluck a figure out of the sky and use that as supposed evidence that struggling to sell out for our return to the premier league is anything other than disapointing is very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Nice try. We were 1,000 short for Man City, add in segregation and I bet every Man City tickets was sold. Same with the others who were 95% of capacity, away fans and segregation. For example our official capacity is 32,689 yet our complete sell out matches last season of Pompey, Coventry, Reading and West ham had crowds of 31 743 32636, 31892, 32351. All short of capacity with full take up of tickets from home and away fans. In fact two of those fixture set record crowds at the time, despite being well below the official capacity. I doubt Stoke and Swansea took their full allocation and we certainly didn't. Nice try? Why thank you! It is a bit convenient to claim that differences which dont suit your argument are down to away fans and segregation. You have used assumptions and unsupported figures which you have claimed as "facts". Why of course Man Utd would have trouble selling their allocation hence the reason that the everton figure was 95%. Oh hang on - you said that Everton was a sell out! My mistake. People who went to the etihad said there were empty seats in the home end. Cant be the case as the missing two thousand were saints fans and segregation. The fools! Our official capacity is 32689. Is 32636 "well below official capacity"? 99.84%. An impartial observer might think you were not applying the same scrutiny and judgement to both sides of the argument but me - I'm sure you are right. Not sure what you are saying but I agree wholeheartedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2012 (edited) Nice try? Why thank you! It is a bit convenient to claim that differences which dont suit your argument are down to away fans and segregation. You have used assumptions and unsupported figures which you have claimed as "facts". Why of course Man Utd would have trouble selling their allocation hence the reason that the everton figure was 95%. Oh hang on - you said that Everton was a sell out! My mistake. People who went to the etihad said there were empty seats in the home end. Cant be the case as the missing two thousand were saints fans and segregation. The fools! Our official capacity is 32689. Is 32636 "well below official capacity"? 99.84%. An impartial observer might think you were not applying the same scrutiny and judgement to both sides of the argument but me - I'm sure you are right. Not sure what you are saying but I agree wholeheartedly I didn't say Everton sold out. Post 108, i said "nearly sold out" So yes, it is your mistake. At least 1,000 missing at the Eithiad were Saints fans. Plus whatever segregation there was in place which also takes up seats. Our "sell outs" with the exception of Coventry where to give credit to the club every attempt was made to get as many SFC fans in as possible, we're all between 95-98% of capacity, the same % as all the ones you listed above. so it's fair to assume that segregation and away teams not selling all their tickets would have played a part in those club not filling every seat, in exactly the same way that we couldn't for every game played at SMS. Edited 21 August, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 I didn't say Everton sold out. Post 108, i said "nearly sold out" So yes, it is your mistake. At least 1,000 missing at the Eithiad were Saints fans. Plus whatever segregation there was in place which also takes up seats. Our "sell outs" with the exception of Coventry where to give credit to the club every attempt was made to get as many SFC fans in as possible, we're all between 95-98% of capacity, the same % as all the ones you listed above. so it's fair to assume that segregation and away teams not selling all their tickets would have played a part in those club not filling every seat, in exactly the same way that we couldn't for every game played at SMS. You are fantastic. I agree with you. Every club that has an attendance of >95% has sold out unless they are Southampton Football Club. Everton "nearly sell out" against the best supported club in the world yet we have 150 tickets left some 12 days before the game. I'm not arguing - just bemused by the whole thing!! I'm off - goodnight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 You are fantastic. I agree with you. Every club that has an attendance of >95% has sold out unless they are Southampton Football Club. Everton "nearly sell out" against the best supported club in the world yet we have 150 tickets left some 12 days before the game. I'm not arguing - just bemused by the whole thing!! I'm off - goodnight! Highfield (great area btw), you may want to also try that approach with one or two of the other forum professors in here, notoriously led by that firecracker MLG. He's consistently argued with me that St. Mary's was full to the brim with home fans when only 31,500 people or somtimes far less were in attendance. The crazy fool. If you could convince him on my behalf, I'd much appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Just to stir the pot a little, I didn't see any empty seats in the home end of the Etihad and it was widely reported as having sold out. Dunno where all our floaters are, maybe the last 7 years have persuaded them to do more interesting things and we haven't got the take-up from the 7 years' worth of younger fans who've found their independence in the mean time because they don't care about non-Prem football and haven't discovered it's worth going to yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Just to stir the pot a little, I didn't see any empty seats in the home end of the Etihad and it was widely reported as having sold out. Dunno where all our floaters are, maybe the last 7 years have persuaded them to do more interesting things and we haven't got the take-up from the 7 years' worth of younger fans who've found their independence in the mean time because they don't care about non-Prem football and haven't discovered it's worth going to yet ? I didn't see any on telly either, plenty in the away end though plus plenty of segregation. But this can't be true because Highfield has posted that the ethiad was only 96.2% full and we all know every club fills every seat available except for us who have segregation and Away fans not selling out when we don't fill 100% of SMs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 I'm sure MLG can explain it somewhat. He seems to be the expert on attendances; in the past anyway. He's online now, hopefully he'll be along soon to explain it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Saints home games in the PL , at SMS, just have NEVER sold out that quickly, if they sell out at all. In all the PL SMS years , I never had a ST, and I NEVER missed a home game that I wanted to buy for, and i went to perhaps 75% of games. (under the membership scheme of course). The only game that I recall selling out on the first morning was a home game against chelsea. Bit surprised at man u not selling out , though at £38, on the telly, and a recession etc, not that surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Fag Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 why buy a ticket in block 43/44 you know you will have idiots waving season tickets at you accusing of being plastics and "where were you when we were ****" etc. Doesnt matter if you were previously season ticket holders who cant afford to go every week or work patterns changing, you have to listen to the bull**** from fellow 'Saints' fans Bet come Saturday it will be nearly full, why not wait rather than react the same as the people on the transfer threads complaining about NC and his transfer dealing techniques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 2002-3 Middlesborough 28341 Charlton 25714 Fulham 26188 Should have phrased that a little better. Think we had 30 consecutive home games or something like that, that were totally sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 We quite clearly don't have that many. You've just made those figures up. We've got far in excess of those figures, the club have even published figures of how many are on the database of paying customers (not even attending customers). Why are you ignoring those figures actually published by the club to try and make your point? I'm not talking about once a season, once a cup final database fans. I'm talking about regular fans who don't go to every game for a variety of reasons - work, holiday or family committments or most likely cost. They would make up most of the 6000 going to the Wigan game as database fans would be unlikely to choose that game. New supporters from far flung places are more likely to be in the database variety because of the prohibitive cost of attending more. Therefore I am pleasantly surprised at the likely Wigan attendance and projected attendances for the season.I am not sure that they are sustainable for very long in to the future though. Football doesn't have to be this popular.When we first went up to the top flight in 1966 the attendance for our first match was 19900 and we couldn't always fill the reduced capacity Dell especially in the Branfoot days. I didn't say we had 45k fans, I didn't make any figures up, read more carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I'm not talking about once a season, once a cup final database fans. I'm talking about regular fans who don't go to every game for a variety of reasons - work, holiday or family committments or most likely cost. They would make up most of the 600I0 going to the Wigan game as database fans would be unlikely to choose that game. New supporters from far flung places are more likely to be in the database variety because of the prohibitive cost of attending more. Therefore I am pleasantly surprised at the likely Wigan attendance and projected attendances for the season.I am not sure that they are sustainable for very long in to the future though. Football doesn't have to be this popular.When we first went up to the top flight in 1966 the attendance for our first match was 19900 and we couldn't always fill the reduced capacity Dell especially in the Branfoot days. I didn't say we had 45k fans, I didn't make any figures up, read more carefully. What I don't understand though is why don't other clubs have fans that go on holiday, have family commitments and work commitments? Why are we the only club that suffer from this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Should have phrased that a little better. Think we had 30 consecutive home games or something like that, that were totally sold out. Keep digging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 ... surely the real issue is if we have 60k on the database what needs to be done to get more of these to attend more regularly - is it price, success, quality of performance, catering, half time entertainment, quality of seat, change in economic climate, atmosphere, perception you need to wear nice strides and branded shirts, concern that we are overrun with right propa nawty types, free bJs at half time from nubile ladies? All about value proposition - currently appeals to 30k ish on average... how do we create one that appeals to 40k on average. Get that right and we can dream of expansion and world domination but its the million dollar question. The whole argument and ****take was simply about opinions on what was necessary to get to a 40k average - it was hypothetical and varied ideas on solutions - but there are a few thought police for whom the concept of discussing ideas no matter how off the wall is too difficult, so s ******ing and sarcasm took over. A bit sad - in saying its sad, I will now be accused of taking the 'mongboard' (sic) far too seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Keep digging I think I have a mongboard stalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Just got my two tickets for Wigan and got in block 2 guy said only a couple of thousand left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 ... surely the real issue is if we have 60k on the database what needs to be done to get more of these to attend more regularly - is it price' date=' success, quality of performance, catering, half time entertainment, quality of seat, change in economic climate, atmosphere, perception you need to wear nice strides and branded shirts, concern that we are overrun with right propa nawty types, free bJs at half time from nubile ladies?[/quote'] Quite right Frank, it is. So often I hear "the club lost over 10,000 supporters when we were relegated and they all come flocking back now we're back in the Premier League". Its not entirely true, fans still went to League 1 games (our database increased significantly following our spells in the lower leagues), there's just less appeal to go to watch Saints v Dagenham & Redbridge than there is to watch Saints v Man Utd. All about value proposition - currently appeals to 30k ish on average... how do we create one that appeals to 40k on average. Get that right and we can dream of expansion and world domination but its the million dollar question. The whole argument and ****take was simply about opinions on what was necessary to get to a 40k average - it was hypothetical and varied ideas on solutions - but there are a few thought police for whom the concept of discussing ideas no matter how off the wall is too difficult, so s ******ing and sarcasm took over. A bit sad - in saying its sad, I will now be accused of taking the 'mongboard' (sic) far too seriously... This is the bit I don't agree with you on. I don't think we should strive to get 40,000 customers in and have that as the most important objective. The number of people in the ground becomes irrelevant when discounting takes place to achieve that figure. What I prefer to see is the club working out what the capacity could/should be in order to accomodate sales that are at a premium level (i.e. not just giving tickets away for the sake of filling otherwise empty seats). I believe you've always seen it the other way round, which I don't ascribe to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I think I have a mongboard stalker. It's comedy gold watching the mitty men relentlessly pursue a topic to the point of eternal boredom based on an argument they can't even get the facts right. When they're pulled up they try and move the goalposts and get all uppity. Quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 It's comedy gold watching the mitty men relentlessly pursue a topic to the point of eternal boredom based on an argument they can't even get the facts right. When they're pulled up they try and move the goalposts and get all uppity. Quality. You're easily amused aren't you, petal? Not sure why you follow mine, Turkish and The Kraken's posts on this subject so closely if you find it so boring. I didn't think facts were relevant in this debate anyway. People are allowed to pluck random figures out of thin air to prove what a massive fan base we have, so I thought I might as well join in with some attendance 'facts' I too pulled out of thin air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 You're easily amused aren't you, petal? Not sure why you follow mine, Turkish and The Kraken's posts on this subject so closely if you find it so boring. Again you get it wrong. I don't believe I've ever posted in response to The Kraken. I always enjoy reading his reasoned posts, he put's a good argument across from what I can see whether I agree with all his points or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Quite right Frank, it is. So often I hear "the club lost over 10,000 supporters when we were relegated and they all come flocking back now we're back in the Premier League". Its not entirely true, fans still went to League 1 games (our database increased significantly following our spells in the lower leagues), there's just less appeal to go to watch Saints v Dagenham & Redbridge than there is to watch Saints v Man Utd. This is the bit I don't agree with you on. I don't think we should strive to get 40,000 customers in and have that as the most important objective. The number of people in the ground becomes irrelevant when discounting takes place to achieve that figure. What I prefer to see is the club working out what the capacity could/should be in order to accomodate sales that are at a premium level (i.e. not just giving tickets away for the sake of filling otherwise empty seats). I believe you've always seen it the other way round, which I don't ascribe to. I can see why you might have that imporession, but I do think there is a big difference between in effect disounting to fill seats - a negative and quite rightly flawed commercial model, and looking at the type of pricing models they have in Germany etc a greater scale that ensure a broader access bit to kids or thsoe on tighetr budgets. Say we did extend the stadium now and invested say 40mil to achieve a 42k capacity - base on the finances say in meant that we needed to ensure we not only met our existing comittments, + the loans for the cap ex but also wanted to ensure teh value was in INCREASED overall revenues. If the per game break even average was for arguments sake 900k that is 30000 at £30 average ticket price - now if we expanded and the break even figure was 1.2 mil a game we now need 40000 at £30 - my question to you would be if that 1.2 mil was achievd by offereing a wider range of ticket prices especially for kids and teh like or certain sections available at cheper rates to attract say younger les affluent fans - and there WAS demand for that meant we could average 40,000, would you say it was worth doing - given that the advantage is primarily greter access and building the fan base? I know what you and others have said in that the only justificatio should be whether an increase in capacity means increase in revenues to helps us develop as a club etc - and that's a fair point, but its should surely also be about growing the profile and status of the club an if that could be achieved without making a loss then is this so wrong a concept. Yes discounting is wrong, but a bigger price range is not discounting, its still a fixed model but one that is flexible enough to be accessable to a larger demographiccof potential fan - I say this as I do not believe we will ever be in a position where we can sell out 45k at £40-50 a ticket... or more in future. Yes the German model includes cheaper standing sections - but it works and means crowds are flourishing and tehir clubs are doing pretty well considering teh TV revenues are no where near as high as we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 How would failing to sell out our 1st game back in the Premier League affect our stadium expansion plans as revealed on the season ticket dvd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 How would failing to sell out our 1st game back in the Premier League affect our stadium expansion plans as revealed on the season ticket dvd? Maybe because it shows lack of demand, lack of fan base and lack of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 How would failing to sell out our 1st game back in the Premier League affect our stadium expansion plans as revealed on the season ticket dvd? Well first of all, lets not call them "plans". They were a delberately vague "what if?" statement of potential intent. The Wigan game I imagine would not make much difference to any future plans. We already have different categories of games, and its (give or take) a given that the Cat A games will be more popular than the Cat B and Cat C games. Cat C games, we'll do well to sell out the current capacity of St. Mary's. Cat A games, such as the Man United game, looks like it will sell out in advance of the game, so there's obviously the potential for selling more tickets were the capacity available. The trick from the club will come in evaluating just how many extra tickets could/would be realistically sold, and for how many matches. The acid test for any future expansion plan begins with Wigan, and will continue for every single home game this season. And the season after that, and so on unti they're confident its a realistic proposition (or not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So, what was the attendance in the end? I bet some of you are feeling a little bit silly now, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Again you get it wrong. I don't believe I've ever posted in response to The Kraken. I always enjoy reading his reasoned posts, he put's a good argument across from what I can see whether I agree with all his points or not. No female celebrities to follow to the shops today Barry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Well first of all, lets not call them "plans". They were a delberately vague "what if?" statement of potential intent. The Wigan game I imagine would not make much difference to any future plans. We already have different categories of games, and its (give or take) a given that the Cat A games will be more popular than the Cat B and Cat C games. Cat C games, we'll do well to sell out the current capacity of St. Mary's. Cat A games, such as the Man United game, looks like it will sell out in advance of the game, so there's obviously the potential for selling more tickets were the capacity available. The trick from the club will come in evaluating just how many extra tickets could/would be realistically sold, and for how many matches. The acid test for any future expansion plan begins with Wigan, and will continue for every single home game this season. And the season after that, and so on unti they're confident its a realistic proposition (or not). Spot on. Major capital investment decisions will not be based on the attendance this Saturday against Wigan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So, what was the attendance in the end? I bet some of you are feeling a little bit silly now, aren't you? I sure am! I am gutted I forgot to attend with my shiny new season ticket. What was the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So, what was the attendance in the end? I bet some of you are feeling a little bit silly now, aren't you? Nope. Everybody on here was saying how Man City would sell out, why weren't they being ridiculed for mentioning attendances before the game? Why is that any different to people moaning about slow ticket sales for the Wigan game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Nope. Everybody on here was saying how Man City would sell out, why weren't they being ridiculed for mentioning attendances before the game? Why is that any different to people moaning about slow ticket sales for the Wigan game? moaning about ticket sales for wigan is one thing - fair enough - but using it to rehash an old debate that decended into name claing and playground girly sn iggering seems churlish - specially when only desinged to wind up and score a few cheap points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) No female celebrities to follow to the shops today Barry? What were you told 'back in the summer' Walter? You haven't mentioned it for a good few minutes. BTW why are you commenting on a post directed at TCM? Ah, yes I get it Walt. Edited 22 August, 2012 by Greenridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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