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del boy

del boy

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Can we adapt the forum software with some "you said I said" slagging off recognition software so that when a couple of posters get to a certain threshold number of handbags posts they automatically get diverted off to a new thread all on their own?Ok, I though not.COYR btw back at the football, optimistic still for a couple of signings..... has anyone mentioned needing a CB yet?

Dibden Purlieu Saint

Dibden Purlieu Saint

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Totally agree, he looked excellent - so when you said that you "wouldn't be happy with us signing a CB that was as good as Clyne (because he had potential but maybe not the current quality)" can you see why I thought that might be wrong?

 

Yes, but can you see my point with (based on last weekend), players like Kightly.

Saint Charlie

Saint Charlie

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Yes, but can you see my point with (based on last weekend), players like Kightly.

 

Stoke can have Kightly - personally think we are aiming higher. There are a lot of players who have been around a few years who really arent all that.

 

The likes of Stoke, Sunderland, QPR are so dull with their transfers paying huge wages to players with "Premier League experience" but have nothing to prove.

 

Have a read of this: http://www.byfarthegreatestteam.com/posts/southampton-will-stand-tall-with-ramirez-running-the-show/

 

Basically susm up my thoughts on transfers and why I think your list isn't particularly great. Again, genuinely nothing personal.

Dibden Purlieu Saint

Dibden Purlieu Saint

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Stoke can have Kightly - personally think we are aiming higher. There are a lot of players who have been around a few years who really arent all that.

 

The likes of Stoke, Sunderland, QPR are so dull with their transfers paying huge wages to players with "Premier League experience" but have nothing to prove.

 

Have a read of this: http://www.byfarthegreatestteam.com/posts/southampton-will-stand-tall-with-ramirez-running-the-show/

 

Basically susm up my thoughts on transfers and why I think your list isn't particularly great. Again, genuinely nothing personal.

 

I have read that, and I agree, however the argument and the list (which I came up with in about 2 minutes off the top of my head) were if they'd improve our team, and most of them would have.

Dig Dig

Dig Dig

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I have read that, and I agree, however the argument and the list (which I came up with in about 2 minutes off the top of my head) were if they'd improve our team, and most of them would have.

 

Don't back peddle!

Saint Charlie

Saint Charlie

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QPR have signed Ricardo Carvalho on loan from Real Madrid.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19334852

 

Carvalho and Dawson at centre-back; none too shabby.

 

 

Sure Carvalho (34), after playing for Porto, Chelsea and Real Madrid is relishing joining QPR.

 

Decent signings in theory but Im happy to miss out and sign up and coming, hungry players myself.

 

Looks like poor planning by QPR, suddenly replacing their two CBs after being thrashed at the weekend.

 

Got a feeling about them: whatever they try it just doesn't work for them. They have such a turnover of players and no real philosophy or plan.

Saint Charlie

Saint Charlie

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Any mobile attack will run them ragged and tear them a new one - More speed in a Massey Ferguson Tractor than those 2 have put together..

 

And Carvalho is an expert at the accidental rugby tackle on the halfway line.

PokingFun

PokingFun

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Doesnt matter who is available, at what price, we still conspire to screw transfers up.

 

Disappointing summer of activity, have to say. And not enough to guarantee PL football next season...........

 

This is such a massive overreaction once again. We have done loads of transfers in the last three seasons and missed out on a handful where opposition teams or agents/players have apparently moved the goalposts and this is likely to happen more as we go up the transfer target pyramid as we will be in against quality teams vying for some signings as well. It's important that we are never held to ransom for a player in my opinion otherwise it opens the floodgates for us to be an easy touch when it comes to negotiations. I'm fairly sure if we want a player we will ultimately offer the best we can according to the budget we work to and tell them to **** off when they start taking the ****. There may be stages in between where we pitch in at less and try to broker a good deal but at the end if we want a player we know how far we can go and will do at some stage if we can't get them to budge at better. In the Ramirez and Buttner deals I have no real idea what's gone on but seems to me that we have had agreements in place and the goalposts have been moved subsequently by others. No mention of Saints wrong doing at all. We are waiting for the right players, at price and terms we can afford and long may that continue as we will be well served by that philosophy.

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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Doesnt matter who is available, at what price, we still conspire to screw transfers up.

 

Disappointing summer of activity, have to say. And not enough to guarantee PL football next season...........

 

You need help

monosaint

monosaint

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With the scouting network we have I can bet you that we have a good list of targets. If we started going for all of them at the same time we would fail miserably at securing any transfers. I bet we have already started talking to other players. No doubt about it! I think it was Big Sam who stated that 95% of their enquiries for players never reach fruition. Let's just relax and enjoy the ride.

Bearsy

Bearsy

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Can someone please summarise adrians above post ^ in 10 words or less?

 

He don't actually mention Alpine or nothing, but I'm pretty sure he's mugging him off.

 

Sorry for the extra words!

saints-til-i-die

saints-til-i-die

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Adkins said we had bid for players which had been rejected and they just weren't reported. If the Italians/Ramirez hadn't mentioned anything then we wouldn't have known about this 'failed' transfer either and maybe wouldn't feel as disappointed. However, at least we know the money we have available now, so that's a plus. I'm sure there are other targets who we'll now go after.

 

I am disappointed, but more relieved we have somebody in charge who will not risk our future but throwing money around. I'd rather get relegated but not spend beyond our means than do a Leeds/Pompey etc. Fair play rules will impact on clubs with massive wages and we wouldn't want this if we are supposedly aiming for Europe. I'm sure we'll get some players and have a great season.

 

Let's have fun, think how far we have come. COYR!

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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That's the problem. It's always hidden behind 'I can have whatever opinion I like' but it doesn't actually make sense. We've concluded countless deals, and you don't even hear about a lot of transfers that fall apart, but it clearly happens at all clubs. Doesn't take a genius to realise the higher you aim the harder it is to get deals done too. But you'd think people would want us aiming high.

 

Too many posters try to divide everything up negative/positive and the extremes bicker through their hours of sexual tension, but it really makes actual discussion impossible for the rest of us. However many times I explain it, there'll be several posters who just take it as me being pro-cortese or defending everything. In reality I'm just pro-not being a reactionary tool. I don't know Cortese but I do know we've concluded a lot of deals, spent more money and achieved more than under anyone else in my time supporting saints. I don't know how 'we still conspire to screw transfers up' comes from. Is it a personal frustration with something else? Life? Yourself?

 

Or just a childish impatience? It seems the couple of deals to fall through might not even be saints fault. Seems odd to jump on it and moan. Even if we don't know either way, why the delight in assuming saints are to blame? Or the constant assumption that saints are unique? It's almost a bizarre negative arrogance. The truth is it's the same for most clubs, transfers just aren't easy.

 

Yet every summer we have the same stuff, no-one learns. I'm yet to hear what the reasoning is. What is this grand explanation for why several of our frequent posters would get things wrapped up quicker than the chairman and managers of hundreds of football clubs around the world? Do they assume everyone waits until deadline day for a laugh? Do they believe their comments that 'we should get signings sorted out early' are either insightful or possible? Do they think anyone is actually disagreeing with them when they point out the stupidity in stating it?

 

I literally have no idea how their brains work.

 

That said, it seems crazy to have a transfer deadline after the season starts. Why not move the window forward to before all the major European seasons? 31st July perhaps? All negotiations would move forward. Not because some internet genius has passed on the wisdom of signing people in June, but because there is less time for brinksmanship, more moves creating space and finance for other players, more clubs making their move sooner and fewer players waiting to assess options. There'll be a lot of players and agents keen to secure moves based on early games of the new season. Some managers will reassess what they need based on early games. It's slightly more complicated than - sign everyone in June, get negotiations done in 24 hours, if they want more money just give it too them, but make sure you have the hindsight to get the best deals available.

 

Jesus. If/when we sign another attacker and defender, it will almost certainly have been our best ever transfer window in terms of quality and money spent. Yet STILL, STILL.........STILL we have people moaning about it. The exact people who were told in League 1 that whatever success we achieved, they'd never be happy.

 

 

Im telling you now, I cant be bothered to read that.

shurlock

shurlock

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Can someone please summarise adrians above post ^ in 10 words or less?

 

Moderation, yin-yang, the subtle shades of grey, life's branching complexity...usual **** from the forum's Dalai Lama.

johnnyboy

johnnyboy

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I mean what jonnyboy said. Wait that ain't jonnyboy, that's johnnyboy. Are you a whole other dude?

managed to register that all important h before that pretender !

Dibden Purlieu Saint

Dibden Purlieu Saint

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That's the problem. It's always hidden behind 'I can have whatever opinion I like' but it doesn't actually make sense. We've concluded countless deals, and you don't even hear about a lot of transfers that fall apart, but it clearly happens at all clubs. Doesn't take a genius to realise the higher you aim the harder it is to get deals done too. But you'd think people would want us aiming high.

 

Too many posters try to divide everything up negative/positive and the extremes bicker through their hours of sexual tension, but it really makes actual discussion impossible for the rest of us. However many times I explain it, there'll be several posters who just take it as me being pro-cortese or defending everything. In reality I'm just pro-not being a reactionary tool. I don't know Cortese but I do know we've concluded a lot of deals, spent more money and achieved more than under anyone else in my time supporting saints. I don't know how 'we still conspire to screw transfers up' comes from. Is it a personal frustration with something else? Life? Yourself?

 

Or just a childish impatience? It seems the couple of deals to fall through might not even be saints fault. Seems odd to jump on it and moan. Even if we don't know either way, why the delight in assuming saints are to blame? Or the constant assumption that saints are unique? It's almost a bizarre negative arrogance. The truth is it's the same for most clubs, transfers just aren't easy.

 

Yet every summer we have the same stuff, no-one learns. I'm yet to hear what the reasoning is. What is this grand explanation for why several of our frequent posters would get things wrapped up quicker than the chairman and managers of hundreds of football clubs around the world? Do they assume everyone waits until deadline day for a laugh? Do they believe their comments that 'we should get signings sorted out early' are either insightful or possible? Do they think anyone is actually disagreeing with them when they point out the stupidity in stating it?

 

I literally have no idea how their brains work.

 

That said, it seems crazy to have a transfer deadline after the season starts. Why not move the window forward to before all the major European seasons? 31st July perhaps? All negotiations would move forward. Not because some internet genius has passed on the wisdom of signing people in June, but because there is less time for brinksmanship, more moves creating space and finance for other players, more clubs making their move sooner and fewer players waiting to assess options. There'll be a lot of players and agents keen to secure moves based on early games of the new season. Some managers will reassess what they need based on early games. It's slightly more complicated than - sign everyone in June, get negotiations done in 24 hours, if they want more money just give it too them, but make sure you have the hindsight to get the best deals available.

 

Jesus. If/when we sign another attacker and defender, it will almost certainly have been our best ever transfer window in terms of quality and money spent. Yet STILL, STILL.........STILL we have people moaning about it. The exact people who were told in League 1 that whatever success we achieved, they'd never be happy.

 

Adriansfc in long, boring, irrelevant post shocker.

Gingeletiss

Gingeletiss

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why is it every summer, winter, in game thread, Alpine manages to literally go all manic depressive and aggressive about saints..?

 

 

Do the letters W...U..and M mean anything to you?

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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why is it every summer, winter, in game thread, Alpine manages to literally go all manic depressive and aggressive about saints..?

 

Just let him make a tit of himself, quite funny watching afar.

 

I remember his posts at the start of the Olympics.

 

Along the lines of ''TeamGB might as well go home, what a disaster this is''.

 

err yes. Day 2 I think that was.

 

And then we obviously had the famous Ashes prediction, 2 days into it. ''Game over''.

 

But we won it in the end.

 

So you have to kind of raise your hopes when Alpine starts bombarding his negative drivel. Because that's all it is - drivel, based on nothing other than thin air.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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one of our scored against the champions....we were also leading 2-1

Well I guess we'll get a good idea if Reading can do what we couldn't against City, and hold on.

MOSaint

MOSaint

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Well I guess we'll get a good idea if Reading can do what we couldn't against City, and hold on.

 

Chelsea have looked incapable of stringing two passes together since conceding their first goal, so it's looking good for Reading at the moment.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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Just let him make a tit of himself, quite funny watching afar.

 

I remember his posts at the start of the Olympics.

 

Along the lines of ''TeamGB might as well go home, what a disaster this is''.

 

err yes. Day 2 I think that was.

And then we obviously had the famous Ashes prediction, 2 days into it. ''Game over''.

 

But we won it in the end.

 

So you have to kind of raise your hopes when Alpine starts bombarding his negative drivel. Because that's all it is - drivel, based on nothing other than thin air.

 

You are a lying bastard. I never said that. And it wasnt Day 2 either.

 

Feel sorry for pathetic tw*ts like you that have to "embelish" their abuse.

 

And you are unable to dismiss my "negative" comments, because the fact of the matter is at this moment we have conspicuously failed to strengthen the defence in the manner even NA said was necessary; its only blind faith assumptions and hubris from idiots like you that suggests we are on the verge of signing defenders. Face it, you cannot even point to any particularly strong rumours to support your moronic blind faith.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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why is it every summer, winter, in game thread, Alpine manages to literally go all manic depressive and aggressive about saints..?

 

I kept my counsel over our transfer activity most of this summer, unlike summers past when I would post about "hitting the ground running". I thought with the Olympics and Euro 2012 and their apparent MASSIVE impact on transfer activity :lol: I would go-with-the-flow a bit and see to which shores our transfer activity would take us.

 

Here we are, 9 days to go, and we're up Sh*t Creek Without A Paddle, thats where, with an almost as-weak central defensive line-up as we had with Georgio Burlinho in 2007. And now I've concluded our left-back is utterly w*nk too.

 

Look, if in May 2013 we get relegated having fought tooth-and-nail with a management who have reinforced the squad as much as they can, then c'est la vie. If we get relegated having not done enough to reinforce the squad because of clever-clever-d*ck behaviour in the transfer market a la Lowe 2005, then I'll be p*ssed.

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for_heaven's_Saint

for_heaven's_Saint

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Face it, you cannot even point to any particularly strong rumours to support your moronic blind faith.

 

Point me in the direction of the proof that we're not in negotiations to sign a CB and back up your moronic blind pessimism.

 

Just because you can't see something doesn't mean that it isn't happening- if that was the case then you would argue that Saints aren't playing games because you never see them happen.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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Have to say, in some respects I agree with Alpine here. The apologists for our lack of transfer activity are completely missing the point that Adkins himself wanted to bring in a number of players before the season started, and if the Ramirez deal falls through we're no closer to seeing the signings the manager stressed he needed. Yes, I'm sure there's lots going on behind the scenes in terms of sourcing our targets, but its a simple fact that every one of our intended targets this summer has been leaked in the press well before they either signed or the deal fell through. So we're going to have to zoom into overdrive with a little over a week to go in the transfer window and still at least 3 or 4 players away from the manager's initial assessment.

 

You can kind of accept that one or two deals will go the full distance, that's the nature of it. But (again, by our manager's assessment) we're short of 4 players in key positions and its going to have to be a spot on transfer policy to identify and recruit the players we need in the time remaining. I don't think its possible, I think at best we'll get a winger and one central defender.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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I kept my counsel over our transfer activity most of this summer, unlike summers past when I would post about "hitting the ground running". I thought with the Olympics and Euro 2012 and their apparent MASSIVE impact on transfer activity :lol: I would go-with-the-flow a bit and see to which shores our transfer activity would take us.

 

Here we are, 9 days to go, and we're up Sh*t Creek Without A Paddle, thats where, with an almost as-weak central defensive line-up as we had with Georgio Burlinho in 2007. And now I've concluded our left-back is utterly w*nk too.

 

Look, if in May 2013 we get relegated having fought tooth-and-nail with a management who have reinforced the squad as much as they can, then c'est la vie. If we get relegated having not done enough to reinforce the squad because of clever-clever-d*ck behaviour in the transfer market a la Lowe 2005, then I'll be p*ssed.

 

be honest, you are going to be ****55ed no matter what and at nearly every game of the season

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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Have to say, in some respects I agree with Alpine here. The apologists for our lack of transfer activity are completely missing the point that Adkins himself wanted to bring in a number of players before the season started, and if the Ramirez deal falls through we're no closer to seeing the signings the manager stressed he needed. Yes, I'm sure there's lots going on behind the scenes in terms of sourcing our targets, but its a simple fact that every one of our intended targets this summer has been leaked in the press well before they either signed or the deal fell through. So we're going to have to zoom into overdrive with a little over a week to go in the transfer window and still at least 3 or 4 players away from the manager's initial assessment.

 

You can kind of accept that one or two deals will go the full distance, that's the nature of it. But (again, by our manager's assessment) we're short of 4 players in key positions and its going to have to be a spot on transfer policy to identify and recruit the players we need in the time remaining. I don't think its possible, I think at best we'll get a winger and one central defender.

 

And this is the crux of it.

 

Either NC has suddenly engaged David Copperfield to conduct our CB negotiations or there arent any.

Bearsy

Bearsy

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That'll be enough though won't it Kraken? I mean a winger and a central defender sounds pretty good to me! If we do get that and they're first team quality I'll be thinking it's the best transfer window since... well since I've been following the Saints!

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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I kept my counsel over our transfer activity most of this summer, unlike summers past when I would post about "hitting the ground running". I thought with the Olympics and Euro 2012 and their apparent MASSIVE impact on transfer activity :lol: I would go-with-the-flow a bit and see to which shores our transfer activity would take us.

 

Here we are, 9 days to go, and we're up Sh*t Creek Without A Paddle, thats where, with an almost as-weak central defensive line-up as we had with Georgio Burlinho in 2007. And now I've concluded our left-back is utterly w*nk too.

 

Look, if in May 2013 we get relegated having fought tooth-and-nail with a management who have reinforced the squad as much as they can, then c'est la vie. If we get relegated having not done enough to reinforce the squad because of clever-clever-d*ck behaviour in the transfer market a la Lowe 2005, then I'll be p*ssed.

 

I cannot wait for you to look very ****ing stupid AGAIN this year

The Kraken

The Kraken

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That'll be enough though won't it Kraken? I mean a winger and a central defender sounds pretty good to me! If we do get that and they're first team quality I'll be thinking it's the best transfer window since... well since I've been following the Saints!

I think its the minimum we need, yes. And I reckon we could get away with just two for now, but would probably need to look at a loan deal or a decent splurge in the new year window.

 

Ideally of course we'd get a new keeper, 2 new CBs, a left back and a winger. I think its fair to assume that won't happen, the club have even distanced themselves from going for another left back. And the keeper issue is a strange one, I think Premier League rules state that the squad of 25 has to be made up with 3 keepers.

 

Still, 8 days to go and I could quite easily be proved wrong yet. But I doubt it, as I say I think the best we can hope for is 2 signings by the end of the window and make up the rest as we go along. And yes I agree it would be a very decent window, I just feel so far we've addressed positions which are less urgent than the outstanding positions.

Dibden Purlieu Saint

Dibden Purlieu Saint

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And this is the crux of it.

 

Either NC has suddenly engaged David Copperfield to conduct our CB negotiations or there arent any.

 

Let's wait for the usual excuses 'we obviously have 1000 targets and it takes months to sign anyone blah blah ****ing blah. If deals are this hard perhaps we should have started earlier than last week.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Let's wait for the usual excuses 'we obviously have 1000 targets and it takes months to sign anyone blah blah ****ing blah. If deals are this hard perhaps we should have started earlier than last week.

what excuses..?

I don't make the signings

if we don't sign anyone...then we don't...lets see how we fair

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