Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 So, we have a page full of people arguing about whether NA said something or not. This is the reason the original HCDAJFU thread was locked. Please keep this thread on topic, i.e players we are linked to. Thanks Is it stressful being a mod Mike? It seems stressful. Like herding cats.
SaintRichmond Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 You should see the butland horror show tonight His head's gone He's not the same without Beavis
ibizasaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 I know its not Saints related but what do you think about Carvalho going to QPR? He couldve been a useful signing for us, no pace but certainly the know how in the prem..
Matthew Le God Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 I know its not Saints related but what do you think about Carvalho going to QPR? He couldve been a useful signing for us, no pace but certainly the know how in the prem.. He is 34 years old, on huge wages, slow, on the decline and it is only a loan. Goes completely against our transfer policy.
Saint Garrett Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Decent signing for them if he is still pretty decent, (not sure as I cant say I've seen him play for a few years). Always thought what he lacked in pace he was very good at reading the game. Him and Dawson at CB is certainly a step up from Gabbidon and Ferdinand. Hardly forward planning though and they are going to be in a huge mess if they get relegated anytime soon.
ThreeSixty Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Haha Carvalho is shocking. Aged about 15 years since leaving Chelsea.
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Why are you convinced that we do? Every player we have bought this year we have been heavily linked with by the press. This has diminished. As a lot of people say we should wait until the end of the window, but when we don't sign anyone else there will be another excuse ready from those who are happy to have a team of Championship players. This. Another day has passed with nothing happening. Only a few to go.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 So, we have a page full of people arguing about whether NA said something or not. This is the reason the original HCDAJFU thread was locked. Please keep this thread on topic, i.e players we are linked to. Thanks Have you dished out any infractions yet?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 This. Another day has passed with nothing happening. Only a few to go. Its only mid day
PhilippineSaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Its only mid day Not in the Philippines its long past the yardarm
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 This. Another day has passed with nothing happening. Only a few to go. FFS sake its not even 1pm yet.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 FFS sake its not even 1pm yet. He might have meant yesterday tbf.
theyin Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 So, we have a page full of people arguing about whether NA said something or not. This is the reason the original HCDAJFU thread was locked. Please keep this thread on topic, i.e players we are linked to. Thanks So is there a thread for players who CDAJFU and are known to be available though not linked that SWF members would like to talk about? ..if you get what I mean
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 So, we have a page full of people arguing about whether NA said something or not. This is the reason the original HCDAJFU thread was locked. Please keep this thread on topic, i.e players we are linked to. Thanks I think the easiest way to do this is to ban Hypo and DPS. Bed wetting girls seem to drag every thread down by continuosly *****ing and moaning about our transfer policy and how NA has said seomthing and not delivered on it. It is not even 1st September yet FFS! We all understand you want us to sign defenders, no one is in disagreement with you on this matter but FFS leave it up to the club and STOP going on and on and on and on and on about it! You are starting to really act like WUM's and annoying people by posting the same thing again and again and again! Mike, could I suggest a thread set up for people to whinge and moan about our transfer activity and infractions dished out to people who comment on here flounting the rules? And before one of you smart arses points out, I am fully aware this post does not contain any speculation about transfers but I am just reiterating Mike's frustration as I happen to like this thread and dont want it closed again due to the same old dullards spouting the same old ****
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Now linked in Italian press with Omar El Kaddouri.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Now linked in Italian press with Omar El Kaddouri. Scored one and set one up against England U21s.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 I think the easiest way to do this is to ban Hypo and DPS. Bed wetting girls seem to drag every thread down by continuosly *****ing and moaning about our transfer policy and how NA has said seomthing and not delivered on it. It is not even 1st September yet FFS! We all understand you want us to sign defenders, no one is in disagreement with you on this matter but FFS leave it up to the club and STOP going on and on and on and on and on about it! You are starting to really act like WUM's and annoying people by posting the same thing again and again and again! Mike, could I suggest a thread set up for people to whinge and moan about our transfer activity and infractions dished out to people who comment on here flounting the rules? And before one of you smart arses points out, I am fully aware this post does not contain any speculation about transfers but I am just reiterating Mike's frustration as I happen to like this thread and dont want it closed again due to the same old dullards spouting the same old **** I think the frustration is that we are being derided for having a different opinion to the majority (although probably not a majority anymore) which to be honest is bordering on bullying. I used to think the same of Hypo etc, but now I can see it from their side I can see where they are coming from when they say they get bullied/abused just for having a differing opinion. The other issue is people not reading the posts properly, and interpreting a valid argument as 'bed-wetting' as the forum bullies like to call it, as well as exageratting their arguments to ridiculous levels that frankly makes no sense in proper debates. If this didn't happen, and people could debate like adults then there wouldn't be so many 'dullard' responses. But hey, people on this forum like to play the fool to elongate arguments. Perhaps you could single out them as well? Due to this people seem to like picking arguments with us (I have 2 or 3 people constantly following me around trying to trip me up). I was just adding my comments to a debate that had already started, and even then I only started off by saying that we have been linked heavily with every player we have bought so far this Summer, so if we don't hear anything it may suggest that we're not actively looking. Of course, you'd know that as you've read the whole thread.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Now linked in Italian press with Omar El Kaddouri. Be a good signing, and not too expensive I wouldn't have thought. Probably Saints releasing a story to put pressure on Bologna though.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Drenthe has signed for WHU apparently. Big wages and ego, not sure I'd be too keen actually. Good player when he can be bothered though.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 step forward everyone that has seen Brescia play 5-10x last season and claim this guy is amazeballs
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 I think the easiest way to do this is to ban Hypo and DPS. Bed wetting girls seem to drag every thread down by continuosly *****ing and moaning about our transfer policy and how NA has said seomthing and not delivered on it. It is not even 1st September yet FFS! We all understand you want us to sign defenders, no one is in disagreement with you on this matter but FFS leave it up to the club and STOP going on and on and on and on and on about it! You are starting to really act like WUM's and annoying people by posting the same thing again and again and again! Mike, could I suggest a thread set up for people to whinge and moan about our transfer activity and infractions dished out to people who comment on here flounting the rules? And before one of you smart arses points out, I am fully aware this post does not contain any speculation about transfers but I am just reiterating Mike's frustration as I happen to like this thread and dont want it closed again due to the same old dullards spouting the same old **** Pretty sure you are putting words into my mouth and dragging me into an argument I have had nothing to do with...
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 I think the frustration is that we are being derided for having a different opinion to the majority (although probably not a majority anymore) which to be honest is bordering on bullying. I used to think the same of Hypo etc, but now I can see it from their side I can see where they are coming from when they say they get bullied/abused just for having a differing opinion. The other issue is people not reading the posts properly, and interpreting a valid argument as 'bed-wetting' as the forum bullies like to call it, as well as exageratting their arguments to ridiculous levels that frankly makes no sense in proper debates. If this didn't happen, and people could debate like adults then there wouldn't be so many 'dullard' responses. But hey, people on this forum like to play the fool to elongate arguments. Perhaps you could single out them as well? Due to this people seem to like picking arguments with us (I have 2 or 3 people constantly following me around trying to trip me up). I was just adding my comments to a debate that had already started, and even then I only started off by saying that we have been linked heavily with every player we have bought so far this Summer, so if we don't hear anything it may suggest that we're not actively looking. Of course, you'd know that as you've read the whole thread. Though I have to say that is one of the biggest pains on this forum. Whenever I write a post you get the same three or four people replying soon after not talking about the post itself but just about myself as a poster. Anyway as Mike said back on topic.
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 One post on this: Politely, IMO there are two issues which is why people moan about some of your guys posts: 1. They seem to ignore anything that Adkins says about transfers, our ambitions, way we will do business and assume the neagative in every occurance. 2. Once you post an opinion it has been read. You don't need to repeat it hundreds of times - we know that you arent impressed with our signings and feel we arent going about bringing players in the right way. The above opinion is fine. What is annoying is the constant repetition of it as if you havent already told us. I know more about your thoughts on our transfer policy than I do about my own. End.
Chez Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 ****** Clyne was MOTM with Jose not far behind.. Jos was fine and learnt that playing against divers like Tevez means don't leave your foot there , and Fox's headed clearance apart played OK too. Kelvin saved a penalty too by the way.. What good quality premiership footballers would you want? The knackered Dawson perhaps, the tainted Charlie Adam... ??? We have a great squad with a great spirt and it has to be the right sort of player we bring in to fit in with the fine system and ethos we already possess. you do realise that Fonte made a mistake in the televised Championship game so he is officially crap, Clyne has absolutely no premiership experience, and Jos and Fox gave away a whole goal each on Sunday. Unless they are all replaced immediately our premiership survival will be hanging by a thread.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 One post on this: Politely, IMO there are two issues which is why people moan about some of your guys posts: 1. They seem to ignore anything that Adkins says about transfers, our ambitions, way we will do business and assume the neagative in every occurance. 2. Once you post an opinion it has been read. You don't need to repeat it hundreds of times - we know that you arent impressed with our signings and feel we arent going about bringing players in the right way. The above opinion is fine. What is annoying is the constant repetition of it as if you havent already told us. I know more about your thoughts on our transfer policy than I do about my own. End. That's because you're one of the ones who seems to follow me around. And on your points: 1. There is a quote on page 4 that indicates that Adkins said we'd have players in by Man City from the BBC. We have not ignored him at all. 2. I agree, but people continue to argue with those opinions, and that's how debates happen. If people didn't respond then I'm not going to respond 3 posts later with exactly the same thing. What you are proposing is that everyone has one post to write their opinion, and then no-one is able to respond to that.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 you do realise that Fonte made a mistake in the televised Championship game so he is officially crap, Clyne has absolutely no premiership experience, and Jos and Fox gave away a whole goal each on Sunday. Unless they are all replaced immediately our premiership survival will be hanging by a thread. And here is a great example of that exaggeration to get a response thing I was talking about earlier.
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 One post on this: Politely, IMO there are two issues which is why people moan about some of your guys posts: 1. They seem to ignore anything that Adkins says about transfers, our ambitions, way we will do business and assume the neagative in every occurance. 2. Once you post an opinion it has been read. You don't need to repeat it hundreds of times - we know that you arent impressed with our signings and feel we arent going about bringing players in the right way. The above opinion is fine. What is annoying is the constant repetition of it as if you havent already told us. I know more about your thoughts on our transfer policy than I do about my own. End. I never said that.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 I never said that. And I said as prospects 3 of them are great signings, I'm just not sure if they have the Premiership qualities right now (although Clyne looked excellent on Sunday). Considering he's heard it all before Saint Charlie seems to be getting his facts wrong.
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) And I said as prospects 3 of them are great signings, I'm just not sure if they have the Premiership qualities right now (although Clyne looked excellent on Sunday). Considering he's heard it all before Saint Charlie seems to be getting his facts wrong. On the 15th of August you said: My problem has been we haven't bought enough quality. Have you really, after 3 weeks, still not understood my point? If they don't have enough quality then surely that can reasonably translate as you not being happy with our signings? Problem with you is you make these rash sweeping comments and then don't like it when people jump on you for them - like when you gave a list of players we should target instead and 90% of them were crap - of course people will point that out. Edited 22 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 And I said as prospects 3 of them are great signings, I'm just not sure if they have the Premiership qualities right now (although Clyne looked excellent on Sunday). Considering he's heard it all before Saint Charlie seems to be getting his facts wrong. Which is one big reason why I have to repeat my views since I am so often misquoted or taken out of context (or lumped in with someone else with a stupidly extreme view to make it look like I was being totally unreasonable.)
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 On the 15th of August you said: If they don't have enough quality then surely that can reasonably translate as you not being happy with our signings? Problem with you is you make these rash sweeping comments and then don't like it when people jump on you for them. No. "Enough quality" to me means that we have bought some quality but not enough. I would actually agree here since defensively it is clear that we are short of some quality.
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 No. "Enough quality" to me means that we have bought some quality but not enough. I would actually agree here since defensively it is clear that we are short of some quality. So by saying "not enough quality" surely implies a negative opinion versus someone who was happy with our signings?
Dig Dig Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Well at least people have stopped banging on about signings for the City game now. This time last week, the fact that we hadn't meant that our season was finished before it even started according to some on here. Another argument was that we hadn't been linked with anyone of quality in a few weeks....since then, Ramirez, Phillips, Omar El Kaddouri and a couple of others. Are people not re-assured now that we are looking at a higher calibre of signing than what we are used to?
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 So by saying "not enough quality" surely implies a negative opinion versus someone who was happy with our signings? To me it reads that we have not bought enough quality. He has now clarified his comments- that he feels that we have bought a lot of potential that is good but he is worried that we may not be quite at the right level of performance before that potential is reached. Happy to be proven wrong though as I don't want to speak for him. Seems like a reasonable point of view IMO.
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Well at least people have stopped banging on about signings for the City game now. This time last week, the fact that we hadn't meant that our season was finished before it even started according to some on here. Another argument was that we hadn't been linked with anyone of quality in a few weeks....since then, Ramirez, Phillips, Omar El Kaddouri and a couple of others. Are people not re-assured now that we are looking at a higher calibre of signing than what we are used to? I'll be reassured when they sign.
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) To me it reads that we have not bought enough quality. He has now clarified his comments- that he feels that we have bought a lot of potential that is good but he is worried that we may not be quite at the right level of performance before that potential is reached. Happy to be proven wrong though as I don't want to speak for him. Seems like a reasonable point of view IMO. Any point of view is fine. What he was saying orginally is that Clyne has potential but isn't good enough yet, Jay Rod has potential but isn't good enough yet. I put it to him that if we signed a couple more players at that level ie a CB who is as good as Clyne then we would have done good business. He disagreed and felt we should be targeting better players. That is all. No problem with opinions, but if you express one that is the opposite end from everyone else then expect some questions directed your way. DPS was asked by many to post a list of players to target that were better than JR and Clyne's level in positions we should target - and the list was awful. The other day he was rejoicing about Ramirez and saying he had probably called the situation wrong, now he is getting worried again...we all just need to sit tight and wait til the end of the window. Im pretty certain we will have some very good players in to add to the good squad we have. Edited 22 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Plenty of transfer activity ongoing, sadly none of it at Saints.....
Dig Dig Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 I'll be reassured when they sign. The higher calibre the player, the more difficult it is to sign them. We could have done a Reading and bloated our squad with 7-8 fairly average signings by now.....very easily. If we had done that, people would be saying that the quality of the player isn't good enough although the same people don't have the patience to wait and get the right calibre of player. That's why it's frustrating to read, because it gives the impression that nothing is good enough and that people will find something to moan about regardless of what we do.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 On the 15th of August you said: If they don't have enough quality then surely that can reasonably translate as you not being happy with our signings? Problem with you is you make these rash sweeping comments and then don't like it when people jump on you for them - like when you gave a list of players we should target instead and 90% of them were crap - of course people will point that out. Here is my list with your responses (mind that I don't really trust that as a lot of the responses here are due to your football ignorance). Where are the 90% of crap? Are you just trying to prove my exaggeration point? Kyle Naughton - On par with Clyne Michu - Agree perhaps - need to see if he fits English footy Patrick Van Aanholt - Is he any good? Struggled at Leicester Maiga - Never seen him play Kightley - As said - very unproven in prem Geoff Cameron - Who knows - pretty sure you won't of seen him play much at all Guthrie - No better than Morgan, Cork, Davis Diame - As above - was on Wigans bench a lot N'Zonzi - Decent player Cuellar - Badly lost mobility hence Villa released him Vlaar - Good suggestion Yobo - Gone to Fenerbache on 50k plus a week Weiss - Never settled anywhere, couldnt get in Rangers team Kuszsack - Did you go to Watford? Forster - Fair suggestion Snodgrass - Fair suggestion - we are still to sign a player in that position so that will be a good comparison MacGregor - Fair suggestion Whittaker - Worse than Clyne Gordon - Injury prone Rosenberg - personally don't rate him Ramis - Fair suggestion, interesting to see how he does
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Any point of view is fine. What he was saying orginally is that Clyne has potential but isn't good enough yet, Jay Rod has potential but isn't good enough yet. I put it to him that if we signed a couple more players at that level ie a CB who is as good as Clyne then we would have done good business. He disagreed and felt we should be targeting better players. That is all. No problem with opinions, but if you express one that is the opposite end from everyone else then expect some questions directed your way. DPS was asked by many to post a list of players to target that were better than JR and Clyne's level in positions we should target - and the list was awful. The other day he was rejoicing about Ramirez and saying he had probably called the situation wrong, now he is getting worried again...we all just need to sit tight and wait til the end of the window. Im pretty certain we will have some very good players in to add to the good squad we have. OK well I didn't know from what context that quote was taken from. I would certainly disagree that a CB that is the same level as Clyne would not be good enough. Clyne looks to be an excellent signing. Jury still out on Jay Rod for me.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Well at least people have stopped banging on about signings for the City game now. This time last week, the fact that we hadn't meant that our season was finished before it even started according to some on here. Another argument was that we hadn't been linked with anyone of quality in a few weeks....since then, Ramirez, Phillips, Omar El Kaddouri and a couple of others. Are people not re-assured now that we are looking at a higher calibre of signing than what we are used to? And Biglia. And yes I am.
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 The higher calibre the player, the more difficult it is to sign them. We could have done a Reading and bloated our squad with 7-8 fairly average signings by now.....very easily. If we had done that, people would be saying that the quality of the player isn't good enough although the same people don't have the patience to wait and get the right calibre of player. That's why it's frustrating to read, because it gives the impression that nothing is good enough and that people will find something to moan about regardless of what we do. I'm not saying anything, simply that I will be reassured when we sign some of those quality players we have been linked with. If we sign Ramirez for example then I can't imagine anyone will suggest that is not good enough. I don't actually care that much who we are linked with, what I care about is who signs.
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Plenty of transfer activity ongoing, sadly none of it at Saints..... Spot on. We're clearly sat on our arses doing nothing. We see no point in buying new players. Why waste the money? I think Cortese is too interested in fitting out the board room at the mo, that's the priority.
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) Here is my list with your responses (mind that I don't really trust that as a lot of the responses here are due to your football ignorance). Where are the 90% of crap? Are you just trying to prove my exaggeration point? Kyle Naughton - On par with Clyne Michu - Agree perhaps - need to see if he fits English footy Patrick Van Aanholt - Is he any good? Struggled at Leicester Maiga - Never seen him play Kightley - As said - very unproven in prem Geoff Cameron - Who knows - pretty sure you won't of seen him play much at all Guthrie - No better than Morgan, Cork, Davis Diame - As above - was on Wigans bench a lot N'Zonzi - Decent player Cuellar - Badly lost mobility hence Villa released him Vlaar - Good suggestion Yobo - Gone to Fenerbache on 50k plus a week Weiss - Never settled anywhere, couldnt get in Rangers team Kuszsack - Did you go to Watford? Forster - Fair suggestion Snodgrass - Fair suggestion - we are still to sign a player in that position so that will be a good comparison MacGregor - Fair suggestion Whittaker - Worse than Clyne Gordon - Injury prone Rosenberg - personally don't rate him Ramis - Fair suggestion, interesting to see how he does Of that list only Michu, Vlaar and maybe Snodgrass would add to our squad - and Snodgrass for me would be far below Phillips and Ramirez on the list. Have faith - we will do better deals than you think! Edited 22 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 OK well I didn't know from what context that quote was taken from. I would certainly disagree that a CB that is the same level as Clyne would not be good enough. Clyne looks to be an excellent signing. Jury still out on Jay Rod for me. And after seeing him Sunday, against world class players, I would be inclined to agree.
Chez Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 And here is a great example of that exaggeration to get a response thing I was talking about earlier. Chill out son, it's gentle sarcasm, with my usual dig at Alpine for his infamous hanging by a thread comment. Don't take everything to heart or too seriously.
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 And after seeing him Sunday, against world class players, I would be inclined to agree. Totally agree, he looked excellent - so when you said that you "wouldn't be happy with us signing a CB that was as good as Clyne (because he had potential but maybe not the current quality)" can you see why I thought that might be wrong?
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Posted 22 August, 2012 Of that list only Michu, Vlaar and maybe Snodgrass would add to our squad - and Snodgrass for me would be far below Phillips and Ramirez on the list. You are joking aren't you? You're the one who put fair suggestion by quite a few of them. Either way, can you see why I get frustrated at you constantly exaggerating? And yes, Snodgrass is below them, but that wasn't what we were talking about.
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