eurosaint Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 He made some really big decisions today in terms of team selection, tactics and substitutions and IMO he got just about everything right ! By leaving Rickie and Sharpie on the bench and giving a 17 year old his debut he has sent out a strong message that nobody will get preferential treatment ahead of team priorities ! People like Hammond, Chaplow and De Ridder cannot even get a place on the subs list and this will become even harder for them when the inevitable new signings arrive ! A sign of a good manager is his ability to be objective and ruthless when necessary ! Nigel (along with his backroom staff!) do seem to have these qualities and I was pleased to witness this today ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 Further evidence if anyone was in doubt we have one of the best Managers in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 Yep I know Lambert was a game changer when he came on but actually think it was more effective to start how we did and then bring him on. Good old Nige! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 Cortese would be mental not to unconditionally back him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 I raised an eyebrow at the team selection but can't say I ever doubted the man. The performance told me I was right not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 He's very clever, he knows what he's doing....reading some of the posts over here this summer, you'd think he didn't! The preparation is so specific and he seems to know when to change it, he reads the game from he side so well. He got a bit of luck today with those 2 subs scoring, let's be honest, but he sensed a moment where we could open up a bit - and we did, got our rewards for a period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 Funny isn't it when all the serial moaners are barely in sight when we play well? Where's the objectivity in that then?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 He did a good job today without a doubt; but JRod on the left? Not for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 Funny isn't it when all the serial moaners are barely in sight when we play well? Where's the objectivity in that then?! Many on here jump on me all the time and call me negative yet I was one of the first on the post match reaction thread saying how brilliant it was. Same with Alpine. Out of interest, who did you have in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 He did a good job today without a doubt; but JRod on the left? Not for me.. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 19 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2012 He did a good job today without a doubt; but JRod on the left? Not for me.. My main point on the OP was not specifically about today's match, it is more that he is not afraid to compromise on big decisions regardless of name or reputation ! TBF I agree that J Rod looks out of place on the wing ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 Yep I know Lambert was a game changer when he came on but actually think it was more effective to start how we did and then bring him on. Good old Nige! I think we may see more of that type of substitution this season. New signings like Lee and Jay Rod need to get in the action ASAP. I very much hope we can see Rickie in form for another season or two but now the side has lots of young legs and RL won't be up to charging around for 90 minutes every game. It was a good decision NOT to play him from the start, and an even better one to bring him on when he (NA) did. He may well end up amongst out top scorers - even playing only 45 mins. a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 (edited) He is a brilliant manager full stop. Calm, intelligent, enthusiastic and calculating. I would rather have him any day over clowns like Allardyce and AVP. He will turn out to be one of the best managers our club has ever had if Cortese can keep patient. Edited 19 August, 2012 by Didcot Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 He did a good job today without a doubt; but JRod on the left? Not for me.. I agree but to be fair - Fox, Lallana and Rodriguez did well exploiting Zabaleta today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 He is a brilliant manager full stop. Calm, intelligent and ...white? Blank? Plain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 ...white? Blank? Plain? See above, dropped my bloody phone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 Sorry chaps and chapessies but why is it clever management to leave your best goalscorer on the bench? Lambert plays for just 35 minutes and scores 1 goal, so might he not have scored more than 1 if he'd played 90 mins? Ditto Steve Davis, our most experienced player at this level, produces a brilliant counter-attack and scores but was only on the field for 25 mins. I must be missing something if keeping your best players out of the game is good tactics. It might also be why we lost. The team played incredibly well and Adkins deserves all the credit for that but lets not be blind to the fact that City had most of the possession and most of the scoring chances, maybe because we didn't have our best team on the pitch for most of the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 August, 2012 Share Posted 19 August, 2012 Sorry chaps and chapessies but why is it clever management to leave your best goalscorer on the bench? Lambert plays for just 35 minutes and scores 1 goal, so might he not have scored more than 1 if he'd played 90 mins? Ditto Steve Davis, our most experienced player at this level, produces a brilliant counter-attack and scores but was only on the field for 25 mins. I must be missing something if keeping your best players out of the game is good tactics. It might also be why we lost. The team played incredibly well and Adkins deserves all the credit for that but lets not be blind to the fact that City had most of the possession and most of the scoring chances, maybe because we didn't have our best team on the pitch for most of the match.Well, you'll have to ask Adkins what his reasoning was, as without it, it is speculation. But as you yourself don't know the reasons, it is futile to suggest that had they been on the field from the start, we might have won the match. There could be several reasons why Lambert and Davis didn't start. In the case of both players, they might still not be 100% fit. With Lambert, it could have been reasoned that it was a very hot day and he would be more effective when City's players had tired a little. Playing Ward-Prowse was a gamble, but most say that he had a very good initiation. So he has his confidence massively boosted and has shown that he is a competitor for one of the midfield spots. Increased competition is a good thing, isn't it? City may have had more of the possession and shots on goal, but they didn't do very well with it, did they? It all counts for nothing unless it converts to goals and in that department there was only one goal in it between us. For a while, when we led, it looked as if we might have had all three points, or at least one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 Sorry chaps and chapessies but why is it clever management to leave your best goalscorer on the bench? Lambert plays for just 35 minutes and scores 1 goal, so might he not have scored more than 1 if he'd played 90 mins? Ditto Steve Davis, our most experienced player at this level, produces a brilliant counter-attack and scores but was only on the field for 25 mins. I must be missing something if keeping your best players out of the game is good tactics. It might also be why we lost. The team played incredibly well and Adkins deserves all the credit for that but lets not be blind to the fact that City had most of the possession and most of the scoring chances, maybe because we didn't have our best team on the pitch for most of the match. In reverse order... - Surprise, Surprise, the best team in England were the better team on the pitch. - I don't know about Davis. Perhaps it was due to his lack of preseason games or maybe it was wanting to show that we are willing to give youth a chance.... JWP put in a very good shift. - I think SRL starting from the bench was an inspired decision. He came on & gave the team a lift when it was needed. Today he was an impact sub & it's a squad game. But, what an impact, the city defenders didn't have time to 'figure him out' & he is off the mark - scoring against wigan (at home) won't be a big deal now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 (edited) Yep I know Lambert was a game changer when he came on but actually think it was more effective to start how we did and then bring him on. Good old Nige! I think we will see Rickie starting in HOME games, but with games like this... especially away he could be a real surprise packet coming on as sub. but Jay Rod must start regularly if he going to DAJFU. Everyone knows RL is 30 ...by no means on the way down. Last season, NA got the best he could out of another 30 y.o. Guly... and subbed him well almost every game, which helped his staying power, Yesterday Guly worked very hard for little praise but he was still on the pitch after 90 mins. Pushing Rickie to play 90 mins. of this standard of football every game will only shorten his career even faster... Had he been on the field from the start on Sunday it wouldn't have changed the scoreline, but he showed his quality when he got his one chance, and joy from beating the England keeper, too. I think NA uses subs. very creatively. Last season we had 12 goals scored by oncoming subs.....yesterday it was two more. The real question is can we get a settled line-up to start... .and eventually win games. Time will tell. Edited 20 August, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yateleysaint Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 I'm with Professor on this one. Dropping Lambert for Guly was about as much a tactical masterstroke as Branfoot leaving MLT on the bench and then taking the credit for the two crackers he scored against Newcastle. Yeah Guly ran about lots but it took Lambert no time at all to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 Well, you'll have to ask Adkins what his reasoning was, as without it, it is speculation. But as you yourself don't know the reasons, it is futile to suggest that had they been on the field from the start, we might have won the match. There could be several reasons why Lambert and Davis didn't start. In the case of both players, they might still not be 100% fit. With Lambert, it could have been reasoned that it was a very hot day and he would be more effective when City's players had tired a little. Playing Ward-Prowse was a gamble, but most say that he had a very good initiation. So he has his confidence massively boosted and has shown that he is a competitor for one of the midfield spots. Increased competition is a good thing, isn't it? City may have had more of the possession and shots on goal, but they didn't do very well with it, did they? It all counts for nothing unless it converts to goals and in that department there was only one goal in it between us. For a while, when we led, it looked as if we might have had all three points, or at least one. Lets face it most of us were expecting a heavy defeat so only losing 3 2 and being in front was a pretty good result so well done Nigel for sending out out that team. Now get on and bring in a few players especially in defence where I think we do need a new GK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 Well done Nigel Adkins. a very well thought out and considered approach against Man City. just one gripe,Jay Rodriguez is not a wide player. he was non existent yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 When I saw the line I up I presumed Rodriguez would be playing up top and Guly out wide. When I saw them line up on the pitch I presumed they'd be switching positions during the game. Shows how much I know. Good start from Adkins, he'll gain a lot of respect for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 Personally I would've started Lambert ahead of Guly. When I saw the team I assumed Guly out wide and J Rod up front on his own, which made sense to me. We'd be under pressure for long periods of the game and we'd look to hit them on the break with a bit of pace. Then when I saw Guly up front on his own, I was slightly baffled to say the least - drop our star striker so we could play Guly?! Didn't make any sense to me. We looked a far, far better side once Lambert and Davis came on. Still, if one player selection is the only thing to moan about after playing at Man City, it shows just how well we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 Cortese would be mental not to unconditionally back him Agreed, but it's not going to happen though is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 Funny isn't it when all the serial moaners are barely in sight when we play well? Where's the objectivity in that then?! I.e turkish , kracken etc. However fair play to hypo, he has come out and praised the team and guly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 20 August, 2012 Share Posted 20 August, 2012 I.e turkish , kracken etc. However fair play to hypo, he has come out and praised the team and guly... He was posting how proud he was of the team on my Facebook last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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