Squad Numbers - CONFIRMED

[The Corellian]

I know it's only a pre-season game but just watching the Ajax game and Guly's wearing the 7 shirt and Lamberts wearing 18? Just seems a bit strange.

[The9]

Maybe?.. some people are getting lost in the mindset of the traditional numbering system we've had for decades...?

e.g...no.4 is a right-sided attacking midfielder, no.5 the big centre-half. a no.6 a left-sided defensive defender..etc, etc,

 

Anyone who gets a number past 11 is regarded as a "second-choice " player .. but we already have Lallana with 20 and Lee (19) ...and they're hardly "reserves " are they ?.

 

Personally I wouldn't care if someone wanted 99.....as long as HCDAJFU....(and I don't suppose the FA would care either).

 

Number 4 has been a defensive midfielder in England for about 30 years now. It wasn't even "RM" in WM formation by the mid 1920s, so unless you're referring to W formation (5 strikers, 2 defenders) as "traditional"...

 

The FA might not care, but the Premier League do, as numbers have to be consecutive unless the express consent of the PL has been given. Then again when Man City legitimately have players on tour wearing 70 as a consecutive squad number, what does it matter ?

Edited 28 July, 2012 by The9

[The9]

Never understood the #4 being in midfield. I'm sure there is a reason for it though.

 

Where's MLG?

 

It's pretty simple when you look at the history of shirt numbers and tactical formations.

 

Original W formation (prior to 1920s)

 

 

WM formation (to address change in offside law in mid 1920s)

 

 

4-4-2 (noting number migrations into the new lines)

 

 

The thing with that is that in Brazil, the number 4 moved into the back line not number 6 (easily explained when looking at their equal roles in WM), and their #4 is ALWAYS a centre back.

Edited 28 July, 2012 by The9

[The9]

I know it's only a pre-season game but just watching the Ajax game and Guly's wearing the 7 shirt and Lamberts wearing 18? Just seems a bit strange.

 

Yeah, and the subs were basically consecutive from 8-16 or something daft like that. I wouldn't read anything into the numbers today, only a few players had their "normal" numbers.

[Lighthouse]

Hajto, Killer, Dickson, Kosowski, McCann, Saganowski, BWP all had 'wrong' squad numbers.

[david in sweden]

Hajto, Killer, Dickson, Kosowski, McCann, Saganowski, BWP all had 'wrong' squad numbers.

 

Yes.. .and of course it's all down to just "who" has that number when a new player signs... .and /or ....where he will play.

 

Number 7 .. by tradition ..was always ....a right winger (except that no-one talks about wingers much nowadays), but is Lambert a winger? - Hardly ! It happened to be the only "spare" striker number when he signed.

 

Last season Jaidi had the CB number 6, but was injured for most of the season and never played, but Jos H. was the " natural 6 " in the line-up.

 

David Connolly had (22) and started the season but played far more games than Lee Barnard - who had the 9 shirt.

 

Jack Cork got no. 8 ..but I don't know what position we'd call that nowadays... because as prev. mentioned, playing formations are much different in the current game.

 

I think you'd agree Lighthouse that numbers are immaterial now and watching Saturday's game v.Ajax... it was difficult to see who/why players had so vastly different numbers to their "usual",

but fortunately the club can allot numbers /change them... every season now.

 

A long way from the " days of old " when shirts were numbered 1-12 (in the days of one sub)...and versatile players like; Jimmy Gabriel played in six different positions in one season ..and did well in most of them.

Edited 29 July, 2012 by david in sweden

[The9]

Hajto, Killer, Dickson, Kosowski, McCann, Saganowski, BWP all had 'wrong' squad numbers.

 

They did, but since Adkins took over we've had a very sensible numbering system with logical numbering throughout. A little anally retentive, even.

[The9]

Yes.. .and of course it's all down to just "who" has that number when a new player signs... .and /or ....where he will play.

 

Number 7 .. by tradition ..was always ....a right winger (except that no-one talks about wingers much nowadays), but is Lambert a winger? - Hardly ! It happened to be the only "spare" striker number when he signed.

 

Last season Jaidi had the CB number 6, but was injured for most of the season and never played, but Jos H. was the " natural 6 " in the line-up.

 

David Connolly had (22) and started the season but played far more games than Lee Barnard - who had the 9 shirt.

 

Jack Cork got no. 8 ..but I don't know what position we'd call that nowadays... because as prev. mentioned, playing formations are much different in the current game.

 

I think you'd agree Lighthouse that numbers are immaterial now and watching Saturday's game v.Ajax... it was difficult to see who/why players had so vastly different numbers to their "usual",

but fortunately the club can allot numbers /change them... every season now.

 

A long way from the " days of old " when shirts were numbered 1-12 (in the days of one sub)...and versatile players like; Jimmy Gabriel played in six different positions in one season ..and did well in most of them.

 

There are a lot of reasons why players end up with the numbers they get.

 

Lambert got 7 because it is an iconic Saints number (and as you said, one of the few free when he signed after the start of the season). As someone mentioned to me yesterday, if he changes number one line of our song about him then makes no sense.

 

Jos got 26 because we were expecting to sign someone else [probably Ammar Jemal] as our number 5 last summer, and he was more of a stopgap signing who turned out better than hoped (Jaidi was number 15, by the way, Fonte was 6, 5 was blank all season). He's also said on twitter that he wants to keep his current number, so players (like Lallana) often choose to keep "high" numbers, which can suit the club when enticing new signings who want to appear part of the "first XI".

 

Connolly was 22 because he was 22 the season before when he was a "late signing" and wanted to keep it, presumably. Barnard got 9 as a striker based on his previous season's performance, but he was injured and then replaced, there was every reason to think he'd be a regular last pre-season other than the court case and injury.

 

Cork's 8 is perfectly in line with his role as a central midfielder - he even played as an attacking midfielder last night for Team GB.

Edited 30 July, 2012 by The9

[The9]

Just for the record, out current 1-11 in a conventional 4-4-2 would be :

 

Davis

Richardson (#5) Fonte (#3-was Harding)

Lambert Schneiderlin Cork Sharp

Guly Barnard

 

Subs : Butterfield, Fox, Hammond, #15 (was Jaidi), #16 (was Martin), Forte, Chaplow.

 

1-11 isn't that important, especially not when one of your best players has worn #20 since his first full season in the squad.

[The9]

I've just had a quick look here, and it seems that so far only Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U, Reading, Swansea and West Brom have confirmed their Prem squad numbers

 

http://www.footballsquads.co.uk/eng/2012-2013/faprem.htm

[St.Jeweller]

Still no official news anywhere on the full squad numbers,surley be anounced in the next few days.

[Saint Garrett]

Sure Jos said 'next week' about a month ago !

[The9]

Still no official news anywhere on the full squad numbers,surley be anounced in the next few days.

 

Has to be announced by 3pm on Saturday, as the Prem rules are "by the commencement of the season".

 

The Premier League website club stats page is likely to be the first place (other than the OS) which has the numbers confirmed. At the moment our players are alphabetical.

 

Suspect we're waiting on a couple of possible signings and don't want to give it away to the players with their preferred squad numbers unless we actually sign them.

[Saint Garrett]

Lets hope it is because they want to keep some free for new signings....(clutching at straws)

[The9]

Lets hope it is because they want to keep some free for new signings....(clutching at straws)

 

Can't be for any other reason, they're only losing out on shirt printing revenue by not doing it.

[david in sweden]

Has to be announced by 3pm on Saturday, as the Prem rules are "by the commencement of the season".

 

 

of course everyone who selected for the squad for Sunday will have to have a number, but if we don't have 25 names at hand there will be "blanks" to fill in.

 

At present......... I can't see us naming more then 18/19 "definites".

 

I think I read somewhere that a complete list has to be submitted... after the end of the transfer window. (on Sept. 1st)

 

........there are also possibilities to include " loan players " after this date I think, plus signing players who may already be OOC /free agents... even after Sept-1st.

[The9]

of course everyone who selected for the squad for Sunday will have to have a number, but if we don't have 25 names at hand there will be "blanks" to fill in.

 

At present......... I can't see us naming more then 18/19 "definites".

 

I think I read somewhere that a complete list has to be submitted... after the end of the transfer window. (on Sept. 1st)

 

........there are also possibilities to include " loan players " after this date I think, plus signing players who may already be OOC /free agents... even after Sept-1st.

 

Squad numbers have to be confirmed by the start of the season, squads have to be submitted by Sep 1. So we will have to confirm numbers for all current players by Saturday.

 

In addition, there's a Prem rule that the numbers have to be consecutive unless explicitly authorised by the Premier League... though it doesn't seem to have stopped Nicklas Bendtner from having 52.

[Saint Garrett]

Don't think we can loan anyone after the window closes either in the Prem. Would have thought we can update the squad numbers as we go. As long as whoever in the squad has a number and noone else is that number? MLG ?

[The9]

Don't think we can loan anyone after the window closes either in the Prem. Would have thought we can update the squad numbers as we go. As long as whoever in the squad has a number and noone else is that number? MLG ?

 

Oi, this is kit territory, my turf.

 

We can update squad numbers as we go, obviously, as we don't need to declare the squads until outside the window. But we DO have to have numbers for the players we use from the start of the season BEFORE the squad needs to be confirmed.

 

You can't use a number unless the previous incumbent has left.

[The9]

If you REALLY want to know : http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2011-12.pdf (IT'S A PDF !)

 

SECTION F

PLAYER IDENTIFICATION AND STRIP

Player Identification

1. Before the commencement of each Season each Club shall allocate a different shirt number

to each member of its first team squad.

2. A Club shall likewise allocate a shirt number to any Player joining its first team squad during

the Season.

3. Save with the prior written consent of the Board shirt numbers shall commence with the

number one and shall be allocated consecutively.

4. While he remains with the Club a Player will retain his shirt number throughout the Season

for which it was allocated.

5. Upon a Player leaving a Club the shirt number allocated to him may be re-allocated.

6. Each Club shall forthwith provide to the Secretary on Form 8 full details in writing of shirt

numbers allocated so that throughout each Season the Secretary is aware of the names of

members of the first team squad of each Club and the shirt numbers allocated to them.

7. When playing in League Matches each Player shall wear a shirt on the back of which shall be

prominently displayed his shirt number and above that his surname or such other name as

may be approved in writing by the Board.

8. The Player’s shirt number shall also appear on the front of the left leg of his shorts.

9. The size, style, colour and design of shirt numbers, lettering and the logo of the League

appearing on a Player’s shirt or shorts and the material from which such numbers, lettering

and logo are made shall be determined by the Board from time to time.

10. The colour and design of the shirt and stockings worn by the goalkeeper when playing in

League Matches shall be such as to distinguish him from the other Players and from Match

Officials.

11. The captain of each team appearing in a League Match shall wear an armband provided by

the League indicating his status as such.

12. Any Club acting in breach of any of Rules F.1 to F.11 inclusive will be liable to pay to the

League a fixed penalty of £300 for a first breach, £600 for a second breach and £1,200 for a

third breach. Any subsequent breach may be dealt under the provisions of Section R.

[The9]

Which dovetails with the Player Registration Rules in this case :

 

PLAYERS’ REGISTRATIONS

Requirement for Registration

1. A Player shall not play for a Club in a League Match unless that Club holds his registration with

effect from at least one hour before kick off and for League Matches to be played between

the close of the First Transfer Window and the end of the Season either:

1.1 his name is included on the Squad List; or

1.2 he is an Under 21 Player.

2. A Club shall be deemed to hold the registration of a Player upon receipt of the Secretary’s

certificate in writing to that effect.

3. A Club shall apply to:

3.1 include a Player on its Squad List by submitting to the Secretary the requisite Form.

3.2 remove a Player from its Squad List by submitting to the Secretary the requisite Form.

4. A Player shall be deemed to have been included or removed from a Club’s Squad List on

receipt of the Secretary’s written confirmation.

5. Changes to a Squad List may be made:

5.1 during the period of a Transfer Window; or

5.2 at other times only with the permission of the Board.

6. Each application to register a Player shall be subject to the approval of the Board.

7. In addition to the forms and documents specifically required by these Rules, a Club shall

submit to the Secretary:

7.1 any contract it proposes to enter into which gives the Club or any other party to the

proposed contract any rights relating to the transfer of the registration of a player at a

date in the future from or to the Club or any rights relating to the employment of the

player by the Club; or

7.2 any contract it proposes to enter into, save for a Representation Contract or an Image

Contract, which gives the Club or any other party to the proposed contract the right to

receive payments in respect of a Player.

 

Any such proposed contract shall be subject to the approval of the Board. In deciding whether

to give such approval the Board shall have regard to (without limitation) Rules V.8 and V.21.

[david in sweden]

Interesting the 9.

It seems that point 3 might be the sticky one - that's if you have players who like a special " lucky" number.

On sunday we need to have 11 players plus 7 subs.(now I think?)..but it doesn't follow that they have to be 1-18.

 

if we name say 21 (of the 25)... it doesn't have to be those on the day.

I'm sure Jack Cork will retain his old number but he won't be available for some weeks- will he ?

Edited 14 August, 2012 by david in sweden

[Saint Charlie]

Anyone know when we actually name our 25 man squad? Its after the end of the window rather than before the first game I presume?

 

Clearly the window would be better if it shut this week before first round of matches.

[VectisSaint]

Anyone know when we actually name our 25 man squad? Its after the end of the window rather than before the first game I presume?

 

Clearly the window would be better if it shut this week before first round of matches.

After the window closes

[The9]

Interesting the 9.

It seems that point 3 might be the sticky one - that's if you have players who like a special " lucky" number.

On sunday we need to have 11 players plus 7 subs.(now I think?)..but it doesn't follow that they have to be 1-18.

 

if we name say 21 (of the 25)... it doesn't have to be those on the day.

I'm sure Jack Cork will retain his old number but he won't be available for some weeks- will he ?

 

There will be a pile of not-in-the-25 players with squad numbers due to them being U-21s as well.

 

Just because someone isn't playing doesn't mean they won't have a squad number planned. You don't have to be eligible to play (ie in the 25 or the U21 list) to be allocated a squad number anyway, just registered with the club. Man City have players in the 70s and most of them won't make the cut and aren't all U21s. Plus the PL have obviously made an exception for Bendtner at Sunderland if not Arsenal.

[Saint-Armstrong]

To clarify, at some point this week we are expecting Saints to announce some squad numbers?

[The9]

Oh also, Lallana and Lee's shirts have both been sold pre-printed in the shop with 20 and 19 on respectively, so no, the 1-18 thing definitely won't be the case.

 

I can see our list missing a no.5 again this season at this rate... we just need the Premier League to ok it.

[The9]

To clarify, at some point this week we are expecting Saints to announce some squad numbers?

 

They have to tell the Premier League by 3pm Saturday, they may not choose to tell us - I'm keeping an eye on Premierleague.com as much as the OS though .

[S-Clarke]

Still got a feeling that they want to add some new players before releasing the numbers, therefore we need to make signings in the next 3 days...maybe wishful thinking though!

[The9]

Still got a feeling that they want to add some new players before releasing the numbers, therefore we need to make signings in the next 3 days...maybe wishful thinking though!

 

From recent tweets neither Sharp nor Hooiveld know their numbers, but Lambert, Lallana, Lee and I think Rodriguez had shirts made up with their numbers from last season for the kit launches.

 

We were also hoping for new signings and kit number confirmation when they launched the new shirts though...

[The9]

Just for the record, Lee also wore 19 as sub for the Dev squad in his comeback today.

[JPTCount]

Just for the record, Lee also wore 19 as sub for the Dev squad in his comeback today.

 

just gor the record, lee was confirmed as 19 when the home kit came out

[Saint-Armstrong]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/numbers-up-for-saints-318707.aspx

 

 

The full list can be found below:

 

1 - Kelvin Davis

2 - Nathaniel Clyne

4 - Morgan Schneiderlin

5 - Jos Hooiveld

6 - José Fonte

7 - Rickie Lambert

8 - Steven Davis

9 - Jay Rodriguez

11 - Billy Sharp

12 - Paulo Gazzaniga

13 - Danny Fox

14 - Dean Hammond

16 - James Ward-Prowse

18 - Jack Cork

19 - Tadanari Lee

20 - Adam Lallana

21 - Guly

22 - Frazer Richardson

23 - Luke Shaw

25 - Daniel Seaborne

26 - Jack Stephens

27 - Richard Chaplow

28 - Calum Chambers

32 - Danny Butterfield

33 - Steve De Ridder

42 - Jason Puncheon

[doubleonothing]

No number 3, 10, 15, 17, 24, 29,30, 31, 34-41

 

Let the conspiricies commence!

[Matthew Le God]

10 kept free for Gaston Ramirez...

[Mr Saints]

10 for Ramirez?

[supersonic]

No numbers 3 or 10.

 

Makes sense to the Ramirez rumours

[jawillwill]

No number 3 I see. That'll probably be saved for our 3rd choice goalkeeper if we sign one.

[paulwantsapint]

just seen new squad nos on os

clyne 2

jos 5

steve davis 8

no 3 or 10

cork 18

guly 21

[Turkish]

No numbers 3 or 10.

 

Makes sense to the Ramirez rumours

 

Is he wearing two shirts?

[stevegrant]

Nothing particularly eye-opening other than perhaps Guly and Cork moving out of the 11 - wonder if that was their choice, especially as 10 is still available (but presumably reserved for Ramirez if things can be sorted there)

[Saint Charlie]

Feel a bit for Cork being ditched from no 8.

[Matthew Le God]

No numbers 3 or 10.

 

Makes sense to the Ramirez rumours

 

3 may be free because Fox might like his number 13 form last season. Adkins stated he was happy with Fox and Shaw as left backs in the press conference. Plus Clyne can also play on the left if needed.

[Thedelldays]

Poor Guly

 

3 to a CB

10 to Ramirez

 

IMO

[supersonic]

Guly, Richardson, Cork all "dropped" out of first XI numbers

 

Barnard/Dickson left out too..

[Wade Garrett]

3 is the traditional left-back number. Surprised Fox hasn't got it.

[Appy]

Ramirez will be 10

[Saint Charlie]

New CB could be 3.

[Saint Charlie]

Ramirez will be 10

 

Ties in with reports he has already been given it.

[stevegrant]

Feel a bit for Cork being ditched from no 8.

Might have been his choice, to be fair. Also, many players might not give a toss what number they're given, Davis might have asked for number 8, Cork said "yeah no worries, I'm not fussed"