Squad Numbers - CONFIRMED

[Lighthouse]

I know it's just some numbers, but I'm moderately bored this afternoon.

 

After last season's almost obsessive compulsive allocation of numbers, what do you think we will see next season. The following numbers are free; 5, 15, 16, 21, 22, 24. To me that looks like #5 for Jos, 15 and 16 (Martin) another 2 CBs, 21 a goalie and the other 2 could be anything. Rod could well take Barnards #9, maybe #22 for De Ridder.

[Mattio]

This thread has Golden Forum potential

[Crazy Diamond]

Good job Tommy Hajto isn't around.

[Thedelldays]

I reckon NO.9 will be available.....then again, Jay Rodriguez will probably have it

[The9]

I've already done my effort in another thread, will cut and paste.

 

We must be releasing the numbers pretty soon with the shirts on sale on Sunday, but having not released any of the low numbers there might be some noses out of joint...

 

This is what I said : http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?38616-25-Man-Squad&p=1393188#post1393188

 

We never did end up with a number 5 last season, but the gaps made it obvious which positions we were buying, as the number structure was pretty regimented.

 

1, 21, 31 GKs

2, 12, (22) RBs

3, 13, 23 LBs

4, 8, 10, 14, 18, 20 MIDs

5, 6, 15, 16, 25, 26 CBs

7, 9, 11, 17, 19 LW/RW/STs

 

27, 28, 29, 30, 32 upwards : Youth/late signings

 

You could probably pencil in about 90% of the players now. In fact I'll have a go. I think Sharp and Guly will switch numbers FWIW, as both have had the other's number previously. Other than that, you wonder what they'll do with Hooiveld (regular starter, high number with lower CB numbers available), plus the "slipping down" Seaborne, Forecast (I wanted to use 101), Chaplow, Barnard, Harding, Dickson, De Ridder, maybe Hammond and Puncheon and the new pros. I doubt Kelvin will lose the #1 even if we signed a world class keeper.

 

1 Davis

21 ?

31 ?

41 Forecast

 

2 Richardson

12 Butterfield

22 J Stephens

 

3 Fox

13 Shaw

23 Harding

33 Dickson

 

4 Schneiderlin

8 Cork

11 Guly

14 Hammond

18 ?

20 Lallana

28 Chaplow

30 Ward-Prowse

42 Puncheon

 

5 ?

6 Fonte

15 ?

16 ?

25 ?

26 Hooiveld

35 Seaborne

 

7 Lambert

9 Rodriguez

10 Sharp

17 De Ridder

19 Lee

27 Chambers

29 Barnard

37 Forte

 

Obviously we're going to need to ship a few out, and there aren't many gaps without dislodging some well-established 1-11ers apart from in defence.

Edited 27 June, 2012 by The9

[Saint Fan CaM]

There's press talk of P*mpey not having any players in August, but talking with a skate today it seems they have a goalie lined up from the Prem! I said it could be Forecast - who knows perhaps he might like a starting place? LOL (:

[The9]

There's press talk of P*mpey not having any players in August, but talking with a skate today it seems they have a goalie lined up from the Prem! I said it could be Forecast - who knows perhaps he might like a starting place? LOL (:

 

More likely not to have a club than no players. If they sign a Prem keeper they should get shut down on principle (not just general principles).

[david in sweden]

I know it's just some numbers, but I'm moderately bored this afternoon.

 

After last season's almost obsessive compulsive allocation of numbers, what do you think we will see next season. The following numbers are free; 5, 15, 16, 21, 22, 24. To me that looks like #5 for Jos, 15 and 16 (Martin) another 2 CBs, 21 a goalie and the other 2 could be anything. Rod could well take Barnards #9, maybe #22 for De Ridder.

 

 

Interesting thought..... but perhaps we ought to wait until we see who's in the squad (come August ) before we start handing out numbers .....

[PhilippineSaint]

I know it's just some numbers, but I'm moderately bored this afternoon.

 

After last season's almost obsessive compulsive allocation of numbers, what do you think we will see next season. The following numbers are free; 5, 15, 16, 21, 22, 24. To me that looks like #5 for Jos, 15 and 16 (Martin) another 2 CBs, 21 a goalie and the other 2 could be anything. Rod could well take Barnards #9, maybe #22 for De Ridder.

 

thats this weeks lottery numbers sorted

[andrew123]

On this subject, does anyone know why Lallana is always 20?? Any story behind it?? Would just be interesting to know..

[The9]

Interesting thought..... but perhaps we ought to wait until we see who's in the squad (come August ) before we start handing out numbers .....

 

Not very likely that they'll wait if there's a kit launch today and they've specifically set up an area for number printing in West Quay from Sunday - they'll HAVE to release the numbers before then or it will be completely pointless (other than kids who want their own names and numbers, of course). I'd suggest a squad number release is imminent in the next 3 days.

[The9]

On this subject, does anyone know why Lallana is always 20?? Any story behind it?? Would just be interesting to know..

 

Assuming that he wasn't too keen on the number 41 he had when he first got a game in the League Cup : http://en.eufo.de/index/squad/southampton-fc/2006-07, I would imagine he just got given it in 2007/8 (http://en.eufo.de/index/squad/southampton-fc/2007-08) and decided to keep it when he scored wearing it against West Brom.

 

I wonder if there's an element of being as good as two number 10s in there somewhere, but he probably wouldn't say it himself !

[Hatch]

I wonder if there's an element of being as good as two number 10s in there somewhere, but he probably wouldn't say it himself !

 

That's it, twice as good as Messi.

[The9]

That's it, twice as good as Messi.

 

Probably aimed at Ronaldinho when Lallana first broke through, to be fair.

[The9]

Good job Tommy Hajto isn't around.

 

Best Saints number 7 EVER. Along with Kanchelskis.

[david in sweden]

Not very likely that they'll wait if there's a kit launch today and they've specifically set up an area for number printing in West Quay from Sunday - they'll HAVE to release the numbers before then or it will be completely pointless (other than kids who want their own names and numbers, of course).

I'd suggest a squad number release is imminent in the next 3 days.

 

OK ..we'll all hold our breath then .............

[Crazy Diamond]

Best Saints number 7 EVER. Along with Kanchelskis.

 

Has since been in prison for running down a woman on a zebra crossing and smuggling cigarettes.

[The9]

Has since been in prison for running down a woman on a zebra crossing and smuggling cigarettes.

 

At the same time ?

 

PS I don't suggest holding your breath or 3 days. As the contracts click over on Saturday night and the shirt doesn't go on sale until 11am Sunday they have "plenty" of time. Well, about 36 hours.

[david in sweden]

IF shirts are definitely going on sale with names and numbers on them. I expect to see quite a few " blank numbers " between 2 and 11.

[THEVMAN]

On this subject, does anyone know why Lallana is always 20?? Any story behind it?? Would just be interesting to know..

AL likes to keep the same number so the kids who buy the shirts dont keep having to buy another one if he changed his number,obviously he cant do anything about a new kit design.

[JPTCount]

Rodriguez is confirmed as 9, but the only other players who the club shop staff would guarantee were Lambert, fonte, lallana, lee, and Spiderman.

 

shows some intent imo, if a big name wants a particular number it could sway the deal. but means my brothers got cork with a blank back atm

[david in sweden]

Rodriguez is confirmed as 9, but the only other players who the club shop staff would guarantee were Lambert, Fonte, Lallana, Lee, and Spiderman...and Cork with a blank back atm

 

.....going back to my earlier comment on #11 and #19, it seems that a lot is still "open " ......awaiting incoming players.

 

We know that some players have a favourite number...T.Lee and Lallana are two such examples, but having now signed two new players (Rodriguez apparantly will have 9....and Davis (number not known yet, though he had 8 with Rangers) ...I'm more interested to see who will stay and end up in the " 25 squad ".... and so my guesses are as follows;

 

We will sign 2 goalkeepers (one international and one younger) .. only one will go in the 25.

1 genuine centre back, (possibly 2 - or at least one right-sided FB capable of playing at the back).

yet another midfielder ...and yet another striker. (though not all necessarily first team challengers at present).

 

as for the rest. Hammond and Guly will stay in minor roles as last season - as will SDR)

 

Harding will move, Seaborne will go out on a long loan / permanent transfer.

Chaplow will go on loan - if not, in part- exch deal, and Puncheon will move ...likely to a London club ...unless Holloway still wants him)

Jonno Forte will go and Barnard will move to an NPC side (also in London).

 

Forecast will go out on loan ...if not a permanent move !

 

It's not often I go on line and make predictions, and I don't have any ITK contacts and these are only accumulated thoughts based on " who-knows-what"

Edited 7 July, 2012 by david in sweden

[HK_Phoey]

Everyone keeps talking about the 25 Squad members but my understanding is that players under the age of 21 years of age are not counted, we can have as many as we want in the squad. So young goalie(if we sign one) Ward-Prowse, Shaw, Stephens don't count towards the squad

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Not sure what number Davis is likely to have. Unless we go up into the thirties he may struggle to get one ending in a 4 or an 8.

 

Edit: He could have the now vacated 24.

[david in sweden]

Everyone keeps talking about the 25 Squad members but my understanding is that players under the age of 21 years of age are not counted, ...we can have as many as we want in the squad. So young goalie(if we sign one) Ward-Prowse, Shaw, Stephens don't count towards the squad

 

 

My understanding too, but I'm sure that NA would want to get his best 25 ....and then have the U21 kids to call on as well.......I don't think he'll be satisfied to only accept 21 and call it quits. A bad run of injuries, suspensions or loss of form could mean we'd have to use the Academy 4.. .as well and whilst it would be good to give them a run-out for a game or two, no-one has suggested they are " as good as " the people they would have to replace, and could DAJFU on a longer term basis, although it might be nice to think so.

[trousers]

billy sharp ‏@billysharp10 New boots for the season,let's hope the chairman decides I can keep my number 11. #LJS http://yfrog.com/oeme9ujj

 

[saintmatt]

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[rickylambert]

jos hooiveld ‏@joshooiveld20

 

Heard yesterday that the squadnrs are decided next week. Its not our choice which we get but definately going to try to keep mine as it was.

[The9]

jos hooiveld ‏@joshooiveld20

 

Heard yesterday that the squadnrs are decided next week. Its not our choice which we get but definately going to try to keep mine as it was.

 

I can see there being a significant scrap over the much-coveted number 26 and definitely can't see the club being more than happy to go along with Hooiveld's request, which would keep the #5 free for a future CB signing (not Ammar Jemal, lolz).

 

Squad numbers have to be decided 4 weeks before the start of the season, which is indeed in the next week or so.

[The9]

AL likes to keep the same number so the kids who buy the shirts dont keep having to buy another one if he changed his number,obviously he cant do anything about a new kit design.

 

That makes no sense, we've changed at least one (and usually two) shirts in every single season since he's been a regular first team player for us. So there's no benefit whatsoever "to the fans" in not changing a number, because every season's shirt is different anyway.

[The9]

billy sharp ‏@billysharp10 New boots for the season,let's hope the chairman decides I can keep my number 11. #LJS http://yfrog.com/oeme9ujj

 

 

By the time the season starts Nike will probably have a new colourway to replace the T90s he's got anyway.

[hutch]

That makes no sense, we've changed at least one (and usually two) shirts in every single season since he's been a regular first team player for us. So there's no benefit whatsoever "to the fans" in not changing a number, because every season's shirt is different anyway.

He's a typical number 10, but he plays on the left and on the right.

[The Kraken]

That makes no sense, we've changed at least one (and usually two) shirts in every single season since he's been a regular first team player for us. So there's no benefit whatsoever "to the fans" in not changing a number, because every season's shirt is different anyway.

Well being as it seems to be completely his decision I don't think we're really in a position to criticise. He can wear what he wants.

[The9]

Well being as it seems to be completely his decision I don't think we're really in a position to criticise. He can wear what he wants.

 

I agree entirely, I'm just saying that the suggested reason is a load of utter cobblers.

[Thedelldays]

I agree entirely, I'm just saying that the suggested reason is a load of utter cobblers.

 

Maybe he just likes being number 20?

[The9]

Maybe he just likes being number 20?

 

Seems much more likely. I can't see the club having a problem with anyone wanting to keep a high number, it has a "signature" feel to it and frees up lower numbers for those who want them, and there are a few out there it matters for (including Sharp now he's got personalised boots) .

Edited 12 July, 2012 by The9

[saintrich]

I'd drop:

 

Barnard

Forte

Dickson

Puncheon

Forecast

 

& also Harding (if we sign Buttner) and Seaborne (if we sign two centre backs - keep him if we only sign one)

 

The next players at risk would possibly be Butterfield and De Ridder, but they will stay in the 25 purely because we won't sign 9 new players - they also cover a number of positions.

[The9]

Well, I've just checked last year's Premier League Handbook and it says Squad Numbers only have to be specified "Before the commencement of each Season" so we could have another three and a half weeks before they get around to it.

 

It's only the kits that have to be confirmed a month in advance.

[Saint Garrett]

Sure I read somewhere that it's this week.

[alpine_saint]

When the squad numbers are announced, those numbers that are not assigned will be as interesting as those numbers that are assigned..

[The9]

Sure I read somewhere that it's this week.

 

Pretty sure I said that a number of times previously, based on misremembering what was in the Prem Handbook - it says squad numbers "before the commencement of each season" and kits to be confirmed to the Premier League 4 weeks before the season starts.

 

Thing is, the Prem Handbook for last year wasn't released as a pdf until December 2011 anyway.

 

Oh, and while I think of it, the yellow away kit of last season is now our third kit, the Dev squad wore it at Exeter, and though they also wore it at Sholing and in their other preseason match, those were with Championship numbers and was last season's kit.

 

Last night they pitched up in kit with Premier League navy numbers on the back. Given that none of our other kits (home, away or either GK shirt) have navy numbers, and they could have easily used the black numbers from the away kit, that suggests to me that the yellow kit will be used occasionally for first team matches, as there would be no reason to buy in the blue numbers unless they'd be more widely used.

 

That and the fact someone from the megastore told me on Facebook.

[alpine_saint]

Pretty sure I said that a number of times previously, based on misremembering what was in the Prem Handbook - it says squad numbers "before the commencement of each season" and kits to be confirmed to the Premier League 4 weeks before the season starts.

 

Thing is, the Prem Handbook for last year wasn't released as a pdf until December 2011 anyway.

 

Oh, and while I think of it, the yellow away kit of last season is now our third kit, the Dev squad wore it at Exeter, and though they also wore it at Sholing and in their other preseason match, those were with Championship numbers and was last season's kit.

 

Last night they pitched up in kit with Premier League navy numbers on the back. Given that none of our other kits (home, away or either GK shirt) have navy numbers, and they could have easily used the black numbers from the away kit, that suggests to me that the yellow kit will be used occasionally for first team matches, as there would be no reason to buy in the blue numbers unless they'd be more widely used.

 

That and the fact someone from the megastore told me on Facebook.

 

Pleased that the yellow/blue kit lives on for another season, even if it only gets an occasional airing. That kit grew on me throughout the season, and I now rate it as one of the best we've had in recent times. Nice, bright colours, small understated sponsor logo.

 

Nice. And it shows up the new kits for what they are - tat.

[Rasiak-9-]

We can be pretty much sure Rodriguez has number 9 right? Have him on the back of my new shirt.

[The9]

We can be pretty much sure Rodriguez has number 9 right? Have him on the back of my new shirt.

 

One of the few "unofficial" numbers that the store staff were happy to print ("at your risk").

 

The fact that the Megastore had Lallana 20, Lee 19 and Lambert 7 shirts made up in the shop for the Liebherr Cup is also a rather large hint.

[david in sweden]

Maybe?.. some people are getting lost in the mindset of the traditional numbering system we've had for decades...?

 

e.g...no.4 is a right-sided attacking midfielder, no.5 the big centre-half. a no.6 a left-sided defensive defender..etc, etc,

 

Anyone who gets a number past 11 is regarded as a "second-choice " player .. but we already have Lallana with 20 and Lee (19) ...and they're hardly "reserves " are they ?.

 

Personally I wouldn't care if someone wanted 99.....as long as HCDAJFU....(and I don't suppose the FA would care either).

Edited 28 July, 2012 by david in sweden

[ottery st mary]

I am led to believe Messi will retain the number 10 shirt....whatever happens:rolleyes:

[Saint Garrett]

Maybe?.. some people are getting lost in the mindset of the traditional numbering system we've had for decades...?

 

e.g...no.4 is a right-sided attacking midfielder, no.5 the big centre-half. a no.6 a left-sided defensive defender..etc, etc,

 

Anyone who gets a number past 11 is regarded as a "second-choice " player .. but we already have Lallana with 20 and Lee (19) ...and they're hardly "reserves " are they ?.

 

Personally I wouldn't care if someone wanted 99.....as long as HCDAJFU....(and I don't suppose the FA would care either).

 

When has 4 ever been a right sided attacking midfielder ? I see the old fashioned way to be...

 

1

2,6,5,3

7,4,8,11

9,10

 

For me the player with 4 is generally a deep lying CM while the 8 is more attacking.

[doubleonothing]

Never understood the #4 being in midfield. I'm sure there is a reason for it though.

 

Where's MLG?

[itchen_dan]

Now Harding has left, 3 becomes available so Fox should move to it in theory and new LB will most probably be 13 unless that person doesn't want it?

[The Kraken]

Never understood the #4 being in midfield. I'm sure there is a reason for it though.

 

Where's MLG?

It goes to olden style formations, basically 2-3-5. 2 and 3 were full backs, 4 was the half back, 5 and 6 the wing backs. As the game became more defensive minded 2 and 3 stayed as full backs while 5 and 6 reverted to the centre backs, with 4 traditionally the more defensive minded centre midfielder.

 

There are of course various examples where this wasn't the case in more modern football (before squad numbers came in and made it all redundant). Steve Bruce wore 4 as a centre back, Neil Webb and Ray Wilkins wore 5 in central midfield, Roy Keane wore 6 at Nottingham Forest, amongst many others.