hypochondriac Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 Agree with this. Part of me sort of assumes the fact that Phillips has done this might well put Adkins and Cortese off signing him? That's an odd thing to think. If anything, we have encouraged him to do it.
SNSUN Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/fa-cup-match-reports/2011/01/09/southampton-2-0-blackpool-ian-holloway-hits-back-at-disrespectful-saints-fans-102039-22835720/ But they would gladly swap with us if they could. “Maybe they are jealous that a little club like ours can be holding its own with the big boys. I'm not a fan of Holloway, and as a Saints fan, the only team I care about is Saints. If we sign Phillips, I'll be happy for Saints, I won't think anything of Holloway's woes. Yes it sucks to lose one of your best players. It sucked when we lost Oxo, but we were financially compensated and Blackpool will be too. £6 million would give the Blackpool fans a pretty exciting end to the transfer window.
Turkish Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 That's an odd thing to think. If anything, we have encouraged him to do it. Exactly. Id have thought it was evidence how much he wants to join us. Doesnt asking for a transfer usually mean you forgo any payments due in your contract on leaving?
sambosa75 Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 That's an odd thing to think. If anything, we have encouraged him to do it. Its not odd at all. Handing in a transfer request - fine. Refusing to play when contactually obliged to do so - very unprofessional.
Appy Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 Its not odd at all. Handing in a transfer request - fine. Refusing to play when contactually obliged to do so - very unprofessional. Because he wants to play for Southampton so much. I'm sure Adkins will welcome that.
sambosa75 Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 Exactly. Id have thought it was evidence how much he wants to join us. Doesnt asking for a transfer usually mean you forgo any payments due in your contract on leaving? I think him handing in a transfer request is evidence of this. I'm certain Cortese and Adkins would not condone him refusing to play for Blackpool though and to think otherwise is naive in the extreme.
sambosa75 Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 Because he wants to play for Southampton so much. I'm sure Adkins will welcome that. Not sure. It's unprofessional. What happens if he signs for us and a year down the line he's courted by Liverpool or Spurs etc.. and he does the same thing?
Appy Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 Not sure. It's unprofessional. What happens if he signs for us and a year down the line he's courted by Liverpool or Spurs etc.. and he does the same thing? Then he leaves.
sambosa75 Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 Then he leaves. So basically you are totally disregarding the fact that Cortese has pulled the plug on numerous deals in the past due to doubts over players attitudes? I'd be very surprised if Cortese and Adkins saw his actions today as a good thing.
hypochondriac Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 So basically you are totally disregarding the fact that Cortese has pulled the plug on numerous deals in the past due to doubts over players attitudes? I'd be very surprised if Cortese and Adkins saw his actions today as a good thing. I'd be very very surprised if they even considered for a moment pulling out of this deal purely because Phillips handed in a transfer request.
Appy Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 So basically you are totally disregarding the fact that Cortese has pulled the plug on numerous deals in the past due to doubts over players attitudes? I'd be very surprised if Cortese and Adkins saw his actions today as a good thing. So you think Cortese will see a player wanting to leave a club to play for Southampton as a bad thing?
sambosa75 Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 I'd be very very surprised if they even considered for a moment pulling out of this deal purely because Phillips handed in a transfer request. I'd be very surprised too. My point though is I think they'll be put off slightly by his refusal to play. You know you can still hand a transfer request in but retain some professionalism and put yourself up for selection still don't you?
sambosa75 Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 So you think Cortese will see a player wanting to leave a club to play for Southampton as a bad thing? When it comes to a point where he refuses to play for a club he's contracted to, most certainly. I'm surprised you don't to be honest.
RedFear Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 didnt NC try to get Adkins to resign from s****horpe?
Turkish Posted 18 August, 2012 Posted 18 August, 2012 didnt NC try to get Adkins to resign from s****horpe? Yes but this sort of thing only counts when it suits us.
Wopper Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 We should put a silly bid in for Ince just to wind them up.
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 I'd be very surprised too. My point though is I think they'll be put off slightly by his refusal to play. You know you can still hand a transfer request in but retain some professionalism and put yourself up for selection still don't you?Not true IMO. Business is business, NA and NC want this player, this player wants to come to Southampon (allegedly) they don't care if he's refusing to play, its a means to an end. The fact he is refusing to play for BLACKPOOL is irrelevant to SOUTHAMPTON.
austsaint Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Its not odd at all. Handing in a transfer request - fine. Refusing to play when contactually obliged to do so - very unprofessional. Didn't Kenwyne Jones do something similar to us 5 or so years back?
Turkish Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Didn't Kenwyne Jones do something similar to us 5 or so years back? Yep, he went on strike. Got his move though.
Thedelldays Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Yep, he went on strike. Got his move though. Turkey You were right about the transfer request thing
mickn Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 I'd be very surprised too. My point though is I think they'll be put off slightly by his refusal to play. You know you can still hand a transfer request in but retain some professionalism and put yourself up for selection still don't you? Totally agree with this, such a childish attitude, 'If I can't get my own way I'm not playing anymore', always thought Jones was a t0sser for doing it, perhaps it will tell NC and NA a lot about his attitude
Thedelldays Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Totally agree with this, such a childish attitude, 'If I can't get my own way I'm not playing anymore', always thought Jones was a t0sser for doing it, perhaps it will tell NC and NA a lot about his attitude Niemi did the same
Turkish Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Turkey You were right about the transfer request thing What transfer request thing Dulldrums?
Gingeletiss Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Lol....from what I've heard, he never actually refused to play at all, he claimed his head was all over the place, so it was a MUTUAL decision for him not to play. But hey!, belive what you want, and run the young man down, before he even gets here, if he does, it seems to be the 'forum way' now.
Thedelldays Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 What transfer request thing Dulldrums? A lit giving up loyalty bonuses and other bonuses if you hand in a transfer request
yorkie Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 I must say if I had the chance of a move - the last thing I would want to do is put it at risk by getting injured in a game for a club I was leaving!
beatlesaint Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Niemi did the same Did he ? I dont remember that. Remember Jones but not Niemi.
Thedelldays Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Did he ? I dont remember that. Remember Jones but not Niemi. When we first got relegated Proper spat his dummy out
Turkish Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 A lit giving up loyalty bonuses and other bonuses if you hand in a transfer request I am always right Dulldays. You should know that by now.
beatlesaint Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 When we first got relegated Proper spat his dummy out Oh right didnt know that.......I suppose 'arry talked him round
Frank's cousin Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Oh right didnt know that.......I suppose 'arry talked him round Think it was to with him having a relagation clause of salary reduction but also a clause or gentlemans agreement with Lowe that he would paid comparably to the top earners - contradiction. As we had several who did not have the relagation clause, meant he wanted to stay on his Prem salary - which was eventually agreed to and fair enough given his monumental contribution to the club to that point.
shurlock Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 At least, Phillips is honest while Holloway is a hypocrite. Told qpr fans he was going nowhere, while asking the chairman for permission to speak to leicester (as a result, was suspended for disrupting the team), not to mention the time he told the plymouth fans he was going nowhere before submitting his resignation so he could go elsewhere.
Turkish Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 At least, Phillips is honest while Holloway is a hypocrite. Told qpr fans he was going nowhere, while asking the chairman for permission to speak to leicester (as a result, was suspended for disrupting the team), not to mention the time he told the plymouth fans he was going nowhere before submitting his resignation so he could go elsewhere. Don't call him a liar.
ottery st mary Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Lol....from what I've heard, he never actually refused to play at all, he claimed his head was all over the place, so it was a MUTUAL decision for him not to play. But hey!, belive what you want, and run the young man down, before he even gets here, if he does, it seems to be the 'forum way' now. Exactly what happened and if told to play he would have done so.. Even the club were not sure about playing him for fear of losing the chance of the transfer fee. YES..they did want the money and had agreed to sign his replacement... The transfer negotiations were rolling along for several weeks at least...in respect of Saints and two other clubs... Phillips was leaving and Holloway knew it..Hence his petty complaint falsely alleging tapping up of the player.....All clubs talk to the players Agents directly and indirectly... As Holloway has done many times..sometimes through the press as many of our famous Arry boyz do all the time.. Holloway knows full well that the player was approaching the exit and the Chairman/owner wanted the fee..Holloway would not be playing him that close to the transfer and he knew it.. When Kenwynne Jones was near to exit...Any sensible Manager would not have played him...Jones did not refuse to play either.. Easier for Holloway to imply the player REFUSED to play when that is not true..
wild-saint Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 reading the interview with holloway in the papers this morning it seems they gave the option of playing. he decided he didnt want to as his head isnt right. slightly different to refusing to play imo. at no point was he told to play and he refused.
Professor Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Not sure. It's unprofessional. What happens if he signs for us and a year down the line he's courted by Liverpool or Spurs etc.. and he does the same thing? Why would any player leave Southampton, a club in the ascendency, to play for a club that is in decline? Check how many points Liverpool and Spurs have got between them after the first weekend.... We doi still need those CBs but Phillips would have it in his own hands to make the team a success by the extra quality he brings to one of the few positions where its needed.
CB Fry Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Why would any player leave Southampton, a club in the ascendency, to play for a club that is in decline? Check how many points Liverpool and Spurs have got between them after the first weekend.... Nice to see the mentalists are back. One game in and we're a better proposition for players than Liverpool and Spurs not just this season but in future seasons. Jesus.
hypochondriac Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Nice to see the mentalists are back. One game in and we're a better proposition for players than Liverpool and Spurs not just this season but in future seasons. Jesus. TBF pretty sure he was joking (I hope.)
dubai_phil Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Nice to see the mentalists are back. One game in and we're a better proposition for players than Liverpool and Spurs not just this season but in future seasons. Jesus. He was not necessarily incorrect. Lot of Scousers with brains (and some of the media) believe that Liverpool have to stabilise first and do not believe Rogers is the man to do that. They may be a long way from challenging for anything any time soon (but of course, closer than we are). ie it can be suggested that Liverpool face a couple of seasons of decline (from their lofty standards) which permeates the whole club's atmosphere. And yes, even IN decline they would still be a whole bunch of places above us.
LostBoys Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 Does anyone pay attention to Holloway? He may want to keep Phillips but Blackpool were largely relegated as the owners, the Oystons kept the bulk of the Prem money (apart from the new stand) for themselves. Does he think that the Oystons will turn down £6m - ask anyone on the Fylde?
Turkish Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 (edited) Why would any player leave Southampton, a club in the ascendency, to play for a club that is in decline? Check how many points Liverpool and Spurs have got between them after the first weekend.... We doi still need those CBs but Phillips would have it in his own hands to make the team a success by the extra quality he brings to one of the few positions where its needed. What are you a professor of? It certainly isn't realism. Edited 19 August, 2012 by Turkish
Turkish Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 He was not necessarily incorrect. Lot of Scousers with brains (and some of the media) believe that Liverpool have to stabilise first and do not believe Rogers is the man to do that. They may be a long way from challenging for anything any time soon (but of course, closer than we are). ie it can be suggested that Liverpool face a couple of seasons of decline (from their lofty standards) which permeates the whole club's atmosphere. And yes, even IN decline they would still be a whole bunch of places above us. Anyone with any ounce of common sense knows Liverpool need to stabilise and rebuild. Even so, top 6 finishes, europe and good cup runs are standard for them, yet would represent an unbelievable achievement for us. Yet people claim we are a better option than them. LOL,PMSL, FAF etc
ottery st mary Posted 19 August, 2012 Posted 19 August, 2012 I thought the Proff was tongue in cheek.....or am I thick? More often than not:blush: Twas a joke;)
david in sweden Posted 20 August, 2012 Posted 20 August, 2012 Phillips is sure to leave - one way or another. Holloway's press statements make it clear that he had a "face-to-face" with Phillips - who refused to play and put in a transfer request. This means he's passed the point of no return. Despite Holloway's "anti-Saints stance and public waffling", Phillips will almost certainly move, but Everton (or someone nearer home) may still come in for him, if he doesn't move to Saints.
Gingeletiss Posted 20 August, 2012 Posted 20 August, 2012 Holloway's press statements make it clear that he had a "face-to-face" with Phillips - who refused to play and put in a transfer request. Can you provide a link to that, as at no point can I see any evidence that he 'refused' to play.
Guan 2.0 Posted 20 August, 2012 Posted 20 August, 2012 Maybe we can strengthen with phillips. Another theory would be to look elsewhere. You can't put all the eggs in one basket. Unless it's Ramirez - then go for it! Kill to sign him. And don't forget CB's!
Ken Tone Posted 20 August, 2012 Posted 20 August, 2012 No more news on this today then? Not even gossip? Is the deal dead, or are man u about to sign him and his dad instead? Or what?
Saint Charlie Posted 20 August, 2012 Posted 20 August, 2012 Something will have to give on this: good offer and transfer request hasnt made any impact...will run on for a while I reckon.
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