Matt Phillips £6m official bid

[VectisSaint]

In summary, Steve Davis has 5 fewer Prem appearances than the rest of the squad put together, and is the only Saints player to have played more than 4 matches who hasn't been at a club when they've been relegated from the Premier League.

 

This is why I keep saying we need some experienced Prem players from mid-table. I'm sure you can gain a lot of knowledge and motivation from going down, and there are plenty of upsides to signing promising young players, but I think I'd also like us to have players who know how to avoid relegation, along with the ones who've done it before.

Davis also had 22 PL appearances for Fulham and was not relegated with them either.

[The9]

Was looking forward to reading updates on Matt Phillips signing but this thread now seems firmly entrenched in argument about something almost completely irrelevant. Huzzah, gotta love the mongboard

 

I am also looking forward to updates on Matt Phillips signing. But I'm looking forward to signing some players who have actually been decent in the Prem already alongside that.

[The9]

Davis also had 22 PL appearances for Fulham and was not relegated with them either.

 

Missed those, ok, so he's actually got more Prem games than the rest of them put together.

 

Bit worried that he's been playing in much-less competitive SPL for a while, but anyway. So, he's, theoretically, good for the experience he can bring. I hope he's not gash, because then it'll be down to the rest of them to work it out as they go...

[SuperSAINT]

Simon Peach ‏@SimonPeach

I understand #SaintsFC are still waiting to hear whether the £6m bid for Matt Phillips has been accepted by Blackpool.

[The9]

Remembering that his thread is supposed to be about Matt Phillips ..I think a few people have drifted off the subject BUT if you are alluding to the lack of Prem. experience in quoting the above

....you might also consider that with a couple of exceptions..nearly all those listed were considerably younger (and less experienced)....and for the most part have matured into the players we see today.

 

Their lack of experience at the time of those (various) relegations you listed... is down to the fact that they were all considerably younger at the time, and one or two probably still in their teens.? .or thereabouts (certainly U21)

 

Whether they have matured enough to hold down a place in our first team will be apparent by Christmas - if not sooner.

 

I agree, they're probably all better than they were then and Rodriguez definitely is, just making a point about how little our squad has played at this level.

[notnowcato]

Get a room you 2!

[The9]

Get a room you 2!

 

Do you mean me and VectisSaint, Crab Lungs, david in sweden or... oh. Right. Him. Sorry.

 

FWIW it was delldays and Glasgow who started the "who's got Prem experience" thing...

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Simon Peach ‏@SimonPeach

I understand #SaintsFC are still waiting to hear whether the £6m bid for Matt Phillips has been accepted by Blackpool.

 

Blackpool are now I believe on their 2 year of the old 3 year 'parachute' payment process, so it's a case of stick or twist for them. Either keep their best players and push for promotion back to the Prem, or cut the wages get some cash in and prepare for life in the lower leagues.

 

If I was them I'd keep him and give it a go.

[itchen_dan]

From a genuine agent on Twitter. He's a Forest fan.

 

SportsAgentJHC: Also don't think there's much in the Ince rumours. Southampton are in for Matty Phillips and #bfc more likely to generate £ from that #nffc

[david in sweden]

I agree, they're probably all better than they were then and Rodriguez definitely is, just making a point about how little our squad has played at this level.

 

 

I'm not criticising you on that point, but for comparisons sake... Do you know the background of players in last years' promoted clubs; QPR, Norwich and Swansea. ..and who may have played Prem. before ..etc ?

[Matthew Le God]

Blackpool are now I believe on their 2 year of the old 3 year 'parachute' payment process, so it's a case of stick or twist for them. Either keep their best players and push for promotion back to the Prem, or cut the wages get some cash in and prepare for life in the lower leagues.

 

The old parachute payments were £32m over 2 years, it is now £48m over 4 years. Pompey were one of the three teams to first get parachute payments over 4 years when they were relegated in 2009/10, Blackpool were relegated in 2010/11.

[aintforever]

Are they still talking about having a Premier League Div 2,cos we'd p155 that with the Championship players we're trying to get in...

 

To be fair we stayed in the top flight for decades by mainly signing good players from the 2nd tier.

[itchen_dan]

SkyGraemeBailey: Sky Sports understands Southampton have made a £6million bid for Blackpool winger Matt Phillips.

 

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7995897/?

[cellone]

Do you mean me and VectisSaint, Crab Lungs, david in sweden or... oh. Right. Him. Sorry.

 

FWIW it was delldays and Glasgow who started the "who's got Prem experience" thing...

 

and you've rinsed it.

[Thedelldays]

To be fair we stayed in the top flight for decades by mainly signing good players from the 2nd tier.

 

Norwich and Swansea were more than fine last season.... Signing player the9 would generally moan about being inexperienced

[Scudamore]

Was looking forward to reading updates on Matt Phillips signing but this thread now seems firmly entrenched in argument about something almost completely irrelevant. Huzzah, gotta love the mongboard

 

My thoughts exactly...

 

But won't someone just comment on post 131? It's really important.

[This Charming Man]

The Swansea and Norwich comparisons are really starting to do my nut in. Yes they stayed up for one season, let's see if they can consolidate on that first before we use them as our markers.

 

The fact is, out of all the newly promoted teams in recent times, the only ones who have consolidated themselves in the Premiership are Fulham, Sunderland and Stoke and guess what they've all done? Spent money and spent it on experienced, proven players.

 

If Swansea and Norwich are still in the Premiership in 5 years time and still relying on signing relatively unknown, young prospects, then they'd be a good comparison.

 

NC and Adkins have both rather stupidly been banging on about European football being the aim in years to come, well it's time to start signing players that are going to enable us to do that.

[This Charming Man]

Norwich and Swansea were more than fine last season.... Signing player the9 would generally moan about being inexperienced

 

Hull also did more than fine in their first season... oh.

[Thedelldays]

Hull also did more than fine in their first season... oh.

 

And you have derby.

Personally I have more faith in Adkins than I would in billy Davies and Phil brown

 

I agree completely with you on the talking up Europe thing. If they want to go for it. Let's shut up about it, stay up and see what sort of player we can get next summer

[Turkish]

Ipswich made Europe in their first season. Didn't help them in their second.

[Minty]

So who did Saints sign when we got promoted in 77?

 

(Waddya mean 'That was 25 years ago, it's not really relevant now.'?)

[This Charming Man]

Ipswich made Europe in their first season. Didn't help them in their second.

 

But what about Norwich and Swansea? You haven't thought this through. You're not allowed to mention any other clubs that have failed, just keep focused on Norwich and Swansea. They're two shining examples of Premier League experience, two Premier League stalwarts, two Premier League veterans that every other newly promoted club should aspire to replicate.

[Turkish]

But what about Norwich and Swansea? You haven't thought this through. You're not allowed to mention any other clubs that have failed, just keep focused on Norwich and Swansea. They're two shining examples of Premier League experience, two Premier League stalwarts, two Premier League veterans that every other newly promoted club should aspire to replicate.

 

You're right, we should be emulating them. Certainly not Reading who didn't go mad signing premier league players in their last stint in top flight and were relegated after a top half first season finish.

[mulletsaint]

The Swansea and Norwich comparisons are really starting to do my nut in. Yes they stayed up for one season, let's see if they can consolidate on that first before we use them as our markers.

 

Why? The issue we are discussing is who they brought in before their first seasons in the prem and how they subsequently fared. Who cares how they do this season (although worse than us would be nice), it's irrelevant to the points being made. I'm sure most on here don't care about next season, let's get this one out of the way first. There are another two transfer windows before next season, alot could change in that time.

[Ken Tone]

My thoughts exactly...

 

But won't someone just comment on post 131? It's really important.

 

I thought post 131 showed an interesting mix of the new and the nostalgic, with its historical reference to a previous post and yet also its challenging 'zeitgeist', up to date, questioning. It is of course unfortunate that its later stages were a marred by a typographical error, but one feels that this did not greatly undermine its overall effect.

 

Oh and whilst I'm here, does anyone know anything more about our chances of getting Phillips?

Edited 16 August, 2012 by Ken Tone
unfortunate typographical error!

[Minty]

Have to say, it does seem rather silly to focus on Norwich and Swansea last year in this discussion... One season in 20 (considering only the Premiership/Premier League) is not a consensus. We might do really well with our current policy and I personally think we'll add some more quality anyway, and we might not. I am a bit anxious to see how we perform but we'll have a much better idea after 6 games or so and can make better judgements then. In the meantime, some of the to-ing and fro-ing on here is a bit pointless IMO.

[This Charming Man]

Why? The issue we are discussing is who they brought in before their first seasons in the prem and how they subsequently fared. Who cares how they do this season (although worse than us would be nice), it's irrelevant to the points being made. I'm sure most on here don't care about next season, let's get this one out of the way first. There are another two transfer windows before next season, alot could change in that time.

 

Why aren't people discussing how well Ipswich, Hull and Reading all did in their first season's up in the Prem then? That's because all were relegated the following season. Blackpool lit up the Premiership with their no fear, attacking football - they were relegated. Why wait two years to get it right and take a gamble on assembling a mediocre squad in our first season?

 

If we're so serious about Europe as NA and NC like to tell us we are, why aren't we signing players who are going to get us there? Why waste time and money on players we're going to discard in a year or two time?

[pingwing]

Has he signed yet?

[Ken Tone]

Have to say, it does seem rather silly to focus on Norwich and Swansea last year in this discussion... One season in 20 (considering only the Premiership/Premier League) is not a consensus. We might do really well with our current policy and I personally think we'll add some more quality anyway, and we might not. I am a bit anxious to see how we perform but we'll have a much better idea after 6 games or so and can make better judgements then. In the meantime, some of the to-ing and fro-ing on here is a bit pointless IMO.

 

Who do you think you are? ... coming on here with your common sense and reasonableness!

[skintsaint]

So who did Saints sign when we got promoted in 77?

 

(Waddya mean 'That was 25 years ago, it's not really relevant now.'?)

 

35 years ago...

[skintsaint]

Bit worried that he's been playing in much-less competitive SPL for a while,

 

But had quite of bit of exposure on the European scene both with Rangers and N.Ireland.

[Minty]

35 years ago...

 

Doh. You'd think I'd realise that given I'm pretty much the same age...

[mulletsaint]

Have to say, it does seem rather silly to focus on Norwich and Swansea last year in this discussion... One season in 20 (considering only the Premiership/Premier League) is not a consensus. We might do really well with our current policy and I personally think we'll add some more quality anyway, and we might not. I am a bit anxious to see how we perform but we'll have a much better idea after 6 games or so and can make better judgements then. In the meantime, some of the to-ing and fro-ing on here is a bit pointless IMO.

 

But it does happen to be the most recent example.

 

Look don't get me wrong I'm not saying because they did well with this policy we will too. But you have to admit its a relevant point. People getting worked up about it is just plain stupid. Like you said we don't know how we are going to do. Unfortunately we do have more than our fare share of knee jerk merchants on here who never seem happy. Sorry to use Swansea as an example again but they got beaten 4-0 by City first match of last season but they didn't do too badly in the end. I hope our fans don't get all doom and gloom should we be on the wrong end of a similar result on Sunday. I'm probably hoping for too much given the response our 4-0 defeat in our last pre-season friendly engendered.

[Suhari]

Has he signed yet?

 

 

Nowhere near enough pages yet!

[kpturner]

According to these geezers the bid has been accepted

 

http://www.backhenrystreet.co.uk/Thread-6-million-bid-for-matty-Bid-Accepted-by-pool?page=3

 

http://fansonline.net/blackpool/mb/view.php?id=1184589

[itchen_dan]

I think we can say this one is on the cards! Jaidi just retweeted...

 

[The9]

I'm not criticising you on that point, but for comparisons sake... Do you know the background of players in last years' promoted clubs; QPR, Norwich and Swansea. ..and who may have played Prem. before ..etc ?

 

I'll leave that for someone else to work out if it's ok with you. As an informed guess, QPR signed lots of people who had Prem experience, Norwich signed lots from Championship and L1, and Swansea signed lots of randoms who suited their style, including Sigurdsson, who was the signing of the season, but already had top tier experience in Germany with Hoffenheim.

[The9]

To be fair we stayed in the top flight for decades by mainly signing good players from the 2nd tier.

 

Yeah, but now there's a layer of 300 of the best (or best value) foreign players grafted onto the top of the domestic players which comprised near as dammit the entire top division until the early 90s, you'll forgive me for thinking the overall standard might have improved since Dennis Bergkamp windsurfed over from Hollandland in the year 2AD.

[The9]

But had quite of bit of exposure on the European scene both with Rangers and N.Ireland.

 

Which adds to his general usefulness. If we could clone him, we'd have... a really short team with a terrible goalkeeper.

[The9]

I thought post 131 showed an interesting mix of the new and the nostalgic, with its historical reference to a previous post and yet also its challenging 'zeitgeist', up to date, questioning. It is of course unfortunate that its later stages were a marred by a typographical error, but one feels that this did not greatly undermine its overall effect.

 

Oh and whilst I'm here, does anyone know anything more about our chances of getting Phillips?

 

Hang on, are you saying MLG made a typo, I replied to it AND I DIDN'T MENTION IT ?

 

That's it, going to have to hand over the Pe(n)dant.

[The9]

You're right, we should be emulating them. Certainly not Reading who didn't go mad signing premier league players in their last stint in top flight and were relegated after a top half first season finish.

 

I think there's a wider point (also at a tangent to the Matt Phillips "news") about the fact we've progressed up two divisions in two seasons and the limits that players signed to get us out of League One might be about to hit, but as the comeback for that one is "Norwich" as well, plus we've topped up (as opposed to bulked out) the squad over that time, so probably best pretend it has never occurred to me.

 

Especially as "Lambert and Kelv are next for the chop" are pretty high on the inevitable conclusions to be drawn.

[The9]

Norwich and Swansea were more than fine last season.... Signing player the9 would generally moan about being inexperienced

 

Tch, missed the point again. I'm not moaning about signing inexperienced players, I'm moaning about ONLY signing inexperienced players (and pleased with the exception, the signing of Davis, based on his experience - but not necessarily his ability - yet).

[Bananaman]

Quote from Blackpool message board - "Player exchange would make better sense. Sharp n Puncheon would suit me fine"

 

jokers... rolleyeyesthing

[VectisSaint]

The fact is, out of all the newly promoted teams in recent times, the only ones who have consolidated themselves in the Premiership are Fulham, Sunderland and Stoke and guess what they've all done? Spent money and spent it on experienced, proven players.

Not forgetting WBA, Newcastle and Man City. Bolton and Blackburn had also done well recently until they crashed last term. I don't recall the Baggies spending a lot last time they came up, I suspect Toon did but can't be sure, of course Citeh were the ultimate spenders, although they mainly brought in experienced foreigners rather than lots of PL experience. Then there was that other team, names begins with P, don't know whatever happened to them after their free spending on experienced PL players :-) There are plenty of examples that prove both sides of the argument. Acid test for Norwich and Swansea will be this season now they have lost the managers who were inspirational for them, I suspect both might struggle this season (hopefully).

[Golden Balls]

Yeah, but now there's a layer of 300 of the best (or best value) foreign players grafted onto the top of the domestic players which comprised near as dammit the entire top division until the early 90s, you'll forgive me for thinking the overall standard might have improved since Dennis Bergkamp windsurfed over from Hollandland in the year 2AD.

 

And the overall standard of the 2nd tier has improved dramatically since then too.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Good quote to sum up this signing if it happens:

 

"13.18: Sky Sports understands Southampton have made a £6million bid for Blackpool winger Matt Phillips.

 

It's not often we sigh and say 'that's f***ing mental' but that's f***ing mental."

[Jack]

I think this is very encouraging if true. It shows that we're still in the market for players, and there is money available. I thought we'd shut up shop for the summer.

 

NA knows we need CBs. Maybe he just knows he's got to wait for the market to go crazy as it always does in the last week or 10 days before the deadline, before making his moves.

[ericofarabia]

He's not much of a Centre Half though is he!!

[Bearsy]

It's not often we sigh and say 'that's f***ing mental' but that's f***ing mental."

 

My mates supporting other prem teams agree with that, they is all Spurs and Villa and what not and they found it funny when we spent £7m on a Championship striker "no-one ever heard of". They find the Phillips deal equally amusing!

 

****s!

[david in sweden]

So who did Saints sign when we got promoted in 77?

 

 

WELL ....as you asked Minty...

....we were actually promoted in season 1977-78. There was no such thing as a transfer window and a club could sign.. whoever... whenever.

But during that season.. we said goodbye to Peter Osgood who tried pastures new in the USA, as well as former youth players Tony Sealy and Steve Neville but both went on to successful careers in lower leagues.

 

We had already bought in CBs Chris Nicholl and Mike Pickering, as well as Phil Boyer who partnered up with prev. seasons signing Ted MacDougall (for the third time) and also introduced Graham Baker who scored a goal in 42 seconds...

on his MOTD televised debut game. This was the basis of the promotion side in that season..

 

By the start of season (78-79) we bought in 4 players; only 3 of who, stayed any length of time. Winger Terry Curran (whose only claim to fame was to score the only goal in the 2nd leg SFvLeeds at the Dell - and take us to the League Cup Final.

Goalie Terry Gennoe was better than rated by many, but suffered a crisis of confidence when dropped by Lawrie Mac and left for Blackburn where he kept goal for a club record 289 games.

Finally... we saw ex-Arsenal legend Charlie George play ....4 months after signing for an enormous £400K fee from Derby. (goodness knows what that would be today?) but he never recovered properly from his knee injury and left after only 52 games.

lastly... the one genuine signing that was top class was IVAN GOLAC. Talk to anyone of that generation and you'll hear only superlatives about the Yuglslav who was one of the first foreign signings in the UK. A superb full back who could score goals too.

 

The following Div 1 season 1979-80 saw the departure of LB David Peach after 278 games... and his still unbroken FL record of 35 successful penalties, and former youth defender Manny Andruszewski who had made an impressive 98 apps.

that seasons new arrivals; were Yugoslav goalie Ivan Katalinic, and (the second of McMeneny's FIVE England captains).CB Dave Watson)..and a cheeky young London lad who went on to score 99 goals in over 200 starts ...Steve Moran.

Edited 16 August, 2012 by david in sweden