Matt Phillips £6m official bid

[Thedelldays]

And to think we could have had Phillips for c£500k 2 years ago if Cortese had treated Wycombe with a bit more respect.

 

Oh come on. That could be Sao of any club with countless players.

Just the way it goes

[Gingeletiss]

And to think we could have had Phillips for c£500k 2 years ago if Cortese had treated Wycombe with a bit more respect.

 

Another dig at Cortese, you really are priceless. Just enjoy the club, stop attacking it, I think we will have something to be very proud of in a few years. If you can't wait, then there are plenty of clubs out there for you to choose from.

[Saint Charlie]

All in all Phillips is the almost perfect winger for our system and giving us that pace which we lack. He has also added goals in the last year or so. Plus he is still very young and has potential for further improvement.

 

At the start of the summer, everyone on here would have been happy to sign him.

[Glasgow_Saint]

And to think we could have had Phillips for c£500k 2 years ago if Cortese had treated Wycombe with a bit more respect.

 

6m now or 500k 2 years ago is kinda the same thing..... I have been doing some maths. Factor in his wages for 2 years + promotion bonuses and he would have cost us nearly 6m over the last 2 years!!

 

Purchase 500,000.00

Wages L1 1,300,000.00

Wages Champ 1,560,000.00

L1 Promotion bonus 1,000,000.00

Champ Promotion bonus 1,500,000.00

Total 5,860,000.00

[dubai_phil]

6m now or 500k 2 years ago is kinda the same thing..... I have been doing some maths. Factor in his wages for 2 years + promotion bonuses and he would have cost us nearly 6m over the last 2 years!!

 

Purchase 500,000.00

Wages L1 1,300,000.00

Wages Champ 1,560,000.00

L1 Promotion bonus 1,000,000.00

Champ Promotion bonus 1,500,000.00

Total 5,860,000.00

 

 

Trying to become MLG still won't help you become a Mod.

 

Meanwhile, does this mean we're not signing Ramirez then?

[Liquidshokk]

Choose to play for Scotland over England with only links to scotland being his grandparents. Interesting.

[View From The Top]

I'd be delighted with this signing!

[DrunkenSaint]

Lee over Sharp and Lambert? I'm glad you're not the manager. Guly disregarded once again I see.

Still, we don't even know if Phillips will sign at this stage.

 

Simple, Lambo and Sharp can't play on the left, Lee has played on the left for Japan and for his former club. Lee is also out best player by a long mile, he's our only player who plays international football for a team in the top 20 in the world this has to count for something he also gets back and helps the midfield and knows how the 433 system works so does phillips. TBH im worried with Lallana in the middle he might come good after a dozen games or so but i don't think it will suit him to start off with. If we get Phillips he will be a great signing for us.

[saintbob40]

Isn't Holloway on a % of transfers at Blackpool which is probably why the news has been leaked by Blackpool as he will be trying to start an auction. So Holloway will have his own agenda in all this which may or may not be helpful....the greedy ****er........

[Saints foreva]

Overpriced.

[itchen_dan]

Matt Phillips 'cousin' on Twitter:

 

iTsMarvel_Twizz: Jeeeeez, My Cousin Just Got Signed To Southampton From Blackpool For £6 Million, So Happy For Him.

 

Someone then asked "we got him then?". He replied:

 

iTsMarvel_Twizz: @sfc_nipper Yeah You Got Him, Such A Good Signing

Edited 16 August, 2012 by itchen_dan

[Glasgow_Saint]

Matt Phillips cousin on Twitter:

 

 

 

Someone then asked "we got him then?". He replied:

 

 

 

Itchen Dan first with the news AGAIN!!!

[Saint-Armstrong]

Matt Phillips cousin on Twitter:

 

 

 

Someone then asked "we got him then?". He replied:

 

 

Hmmm.

[jasoneuelllfanclub]

someone who claims to be Phillips cousin reckons he has signed for us. not sure if true, just passing it on.

 

Sevgi Neptune™ ‏@iTsMarvel_Twizz

Jeeeeez, My Cousin Just Got Signed To Southampton From Blackpool For £6 Million, So Happy For Him.

[DrunkenSaint]

Overpriced.

 

All players are nowadays

[Crowds]

Im just looking forward to see that bellend Holloway Gettin the violin out on SSN... What would put the icing on is if the chairman smashes the 6mill into his family account not the clubs lol

 

Crowds

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Trying to become MLG still won't help you become a Mod.

 

Meanwhile, does this mean we're not signing Ramirez then?

 

1 million bonus? The Chelsea players only got 300k for the Champions League.

[John B]

Another dig at Cortese, you really are priceless. Just enjoy the club, stop attacking it, I think we will have something to be very proud of in a few years. If you can't wait, then there are plenty of clubs out there for you to choose from.

 

It seems rather short sighted to bid £50k and then pay £6m two years later for the same player.

 

But I still think that although the club is well run Cortese is not very good at recruiting players as he wants to pay as little as possible but we have done really well since 2009

[The9]

It seems rather short sighted to bid £50k and then pay £6m two years later for the same player.

 

But I still think that although the club is well run Cortese is not very good at recruiting players as he wants to pay as little as possible but we have done really well since 2009

 

I think he's good enough at recruiting players that we're not all absolutely CERTAIN we're going down despite leaping from the bottom of L1 to the Prem in 3 years, I just wish we'd mix it up and ensure we also have players at the club who can provide the Prem experience that the promising signings don't have.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I think he's good enough at recruiting players that we're not all absolutely CERTAIN we're going down despite leaping from the bottom of L1 to the Prem in 3 years, I just wish we'd mix it up and ensure we also have players at the club who can provide the Prem experience that the promising signings don't have.

 

Phillips and Davis do have Prem experience!!

[Thedelldays]

Phillips and Davis do have Prem experience!!

 

Puncheon does

Fox?

Kelvin

[Thedelldays]

It seems rather short sighted to bid £50k and then pay £6m two years later for the same player.

 

But I still think that although the club is well run Cortese is not very good at recruiting players as he wants to pay as little as possible but we have done really well since 2009

 

A chairman who wants to pay as little as possible

 

 

Thats a new one on me

[The9]

Phillips and Davis do have Prem experience!!

 

One hasn't signed yet and has only played in 21 matches, the other, yes, as the only player who's been in the Prem, played more than 20 matches and not been relegated from it, I'm sure he'll be able to convey this to the other 10 players constantly and in every situation.

[The9]

Puncheon does

Fox?

Kelvin

 

Puncheon, one half season on loan at Blackpool, 11 matches relegated. Barely played for QPR (2 subs) who stayed up on the last day.

Fox - one half season with Burnley, 14 games, relegated

Rodriguez - was on loan at Barnsley when Burnley were relegated, no Prem appearances

Cork - 2 loans with Burnley, 11 Prem games relegated

K Davis - record-setting low points season with Sunderland, 33 games relegated

Richardson - 4 games for Leeds, relegated

Butterfield - 7 Prem games for Palace, relegated

Chaplow - 11 games for West Brom, first season stayed up and sent us down, second season eventually loaned to Saints as they got relegated

Barnard - 3 games for Spurs.

 

Matt Phillips - MLG says 21 games for Blackpool in Prem, relegated.

 

Steve Davis, 91 appearances of not being relegated with Villa, by far the most experienced Prem player we have.

Everyone else, 96 total Prem appearances (including subs) between the lot of them (plus 21 for Matt Phillips) and 7 (+1) relegations.

Edited 16 August, 2012 by The9

[Faz]

Anyone who thinks we're going to sign a host of top name PL stars in our first year is bonkers.

 

Wolves are tunring down £10m & £12m offers for Jarvis and Fletcher FFS. Madness I tell you.

[Matthew Le God]

Puncheon, one half season on loan at Blackpool, 11 matches relegated. Barely played for QPR (2 subs) who stayed up on the last day.

Fox - one season with Burnley, relegated

Rodriguez - was on loan at Barnsley when Burnley were relegated

Cork - 2 loans with Burnley, relegated

K Davis - record-setting low points season with Sunderland, relegated

Richardson - 4 games for Leeds, relgated

Butterfield - 7 Prem games for Palace, relegated

Chaplow - 11 games for West Brom, first season stayed up and sent us down, second season eventually loaned to Saints as they got relegated

Barnard - 3 games for Spurs.

 

Matt Phillips - MLG says 21 games for Blackpool in Prem, relegated.

 

Steve Davis, 91 appearances of not being relegated with Villa, by far the most experienced Prem player we have.

 

Schneiderlin, Lallana and Davis all relegated to League One. How did they do last season in the Championship?

 

Lambert hadn't played a game above League One and ended up scoring 27 Championship goals and voted Championship player of the season.

 

Base a player on his own merits, not that of the fortunes of the squad they were in.

[alpine_saint]

For me CBs are more urgent than pacy wingers.

[The9]

In summary, Steve Davis has 5 fewer Prem appearances than the rest of the squad put together, and is the only Saints player to have played more than 4 matches who hasn't been at a club when they've been relegated from the Premier League.

 

This is why I keep saying we need some experienced Prem players from mid-table. I'm sure you can gain a lot of knowledge and motivation from going down, and there are plenty of upsides to signing promising young players, but I think I'd also like us to have players who know how to avoid relegation, along with the ones who've done it before.

[Thedelldays]

In summary, Steve Davis has 5 fewer Prem appearances than the rest of the squad put together, and is the only Saints player to have played more than 4 matches who hasn't been at a club when they've been relegated from the Premier League.

 

This is why I keep saying we need some experienced Prem players from mid-table. I'm sure you can gain a lot of knowledge and motivation from going down, and there are plenty of upsides to signing promising young players, but I think I'd also like us to have players who know how to avoid relegation, along with the ones who've done it before.

 

Easier said than done for a newly promoted team..

 

Would you swap Guthrie for any of Davis?

 

Shorey for fox?

 

I noticed gallas was mentioned and of course immediately dismissed as not being good enough.

 

Not really sure anyone is actually good enough (realistically) for many on here

 

Or should we spend £25m on fletcher and Jarvis?

[Dan Johnson]

For me CBs are more urgent than pacy wingers.

 

I think at the moment the priorty is to do business with clubs that are willing to do business so we dont miss out.

 

2 CBs are still on the cars

[Matthew Le God]

This is why I keep saying we need some experienced Prem players from mid-table.

 

1) So last summer we should have sold Rickie Lambert and signed a mid-table Championship striker?

 

2) Any comment on post #126?

 

3) Which mid-table Premier League players do you think it would be realistic for Saints to buy, that are better than the sigingings we've made and/or the current squad?

[yorkie]

What cars are they driving these days - Ford Capris?

[The9]

Schneiderlin, Lallana and Davis all relegated to League One. How did they do last season in the Championship?

 

Lambert hadn't played a game above League One and ended up scoring 27 Championship goals and voted Championship player of the season.

 

Base a player on his own merits, not that of the fortunes of the squad they were in.

 

They're all good players on their own merits, but none of them have much experience in this League and we need some.

 

And examples from League One to Championship are literally just not in the same league as Championship to Prem. Especially when you're talking about the same player needing to find further improvements on the unexpected improvements they already made. Some of these players will step up, some probably won't. I shall assume Saints will need tweaking downwards in FM2013 then ?

[Matthew Le God]

And examples from League One to Championship are literally just not in the same league as Championship to Prem.

 

Norwich and Swansea showed the gap between the top of the Championship and the bottom 11 or 12 teams in the Premier League is negligible if you make shrewd signings from the Championship and League One.

[The9]

Easier said than done for a newly promoted team..

 

Would you swap Guthrie for any of Davis?

 

Shorey for fox?

 

I noticed gallas was mentioned and of course immediately dismissed as not being good enough.

 

Not really sure anyone is actually good enough (realistically) for many on here

 

Or should we spend £25m on fletcher and Jarvis?

 

I'd have gone for Guthrie AND (maybe) Davis actually, it would have been perfectly possible.

 

Ironically enough I'd like us to sign Mark Davies, who just got relegated... or pretty much anyone decent who has a couple of seasons under their belt in the Prem amd isn't past it. Decent players do get relegated, but that's not the same as only having one season - in which they went down.

 

Shorey is a rubbish signing for Reading, but Ian Harte who he's meant to replace nicely illustrates what you can get away with in the Championship that just won't fly in the Prem.

 

Gallas is good enough technically but you have to question the application we'd get for the megabucks we'd have to pay him.

 

Fletcher I'm not that convinced by (and we've already signed Rodriguez), Jarvis would be a good signing.

 

It's not the fact players have been relegated per se, it's the fact that the ONLY Prem experience all our players except Steve Davis have is of being relegated. The likes of Jarvis and Fletcher and Mark Davies have a season of staying up as well as the relegation, none of our current players do.

[The9]

Norwich and Swansea showed the gap between the top of the Championship and the bottom 11 or 12 teams in the Premier League is negligible if you make shrewd signings from the Championship and League One.

 

Two examples in the last 20 years. Just like Norwich going straight up - that is not the norm.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Well it's not as if we haven't done it before.

 

Off the top of my head players like Glenn Cockerill, Colin Clarke, Mark Wright and Brett Ormerod were all plucked from lower leagues and did a great job for us.

 

From a technical perspective I see nothing wrong with the club signing quality champ\lge 1 players + hopefully they won't act like billy big boots when they arrive.

you can add the likes of Townsend, Marsden, and Boyer as well as Ron Davies (probably our most successful import at top level) there are many others too.

[Matthew Le God]

Two examples in the last 20 years. Just like Norwich going straight up - that is not the norm.

 

Not just two, there are others. For example Ipswich, first season up came 5th, Newcastle came 12th, Wigan 10th etc etc.

 

So what if it is "not the norm"? It shows it is possible. Can you answer post #131 please?

Edited 16 August, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[Saint Without a Halo]

For me CBs are more urgent than pacy wingers.

 

Ahh but if we sign up all the pacy players going our slow centre backs will have no problems at all!

[Tokyo-Saint]

Not just two, there are others. For example Ipswich, first season up came 5th.

 

So what if it is "not the norm"? It shows it is possible. Can you answer post #131 please?

 

Yes, come on, chop chop.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Schneiderlin, Lallana and Davis all relegated to League One. How did they do last season in the Championship?

 

Lambert hadn't played a game above League One and ended up scoring 27 Championship goals and voted Championship player of the season.

 

Base a player on his own merits, not that of the fortunes of the squad they were in.

 

Absloutely Mike Channon was relegated but was still an England player!

[shurlock]

And to think we could have had Phillips for c£500k 2 years ago if Cortese had treated Wycombe with a bit more respect.

 

Still would have gone to Blackpool.

[wireframebox]

Not just two, there are others. For example Ipswich, first season up came 5th.

 

So what if it is "not the norm"? It shows it is possible. Can you answer post #131 please?

 

Wigan finished 10th in their first season after promotion, 2005/2006.

[The9]

1) So last summer we should have sold Rickie Lambert and signed a mid-table Championship striker?

2) Any comment on post #126?

3) Which mid-table Premier League players do you think it would be realistic for Saints to buy, that are better than the sigingings we've made and/or the current squad?

 

What, like Rodriguez ? Probably a couple of years too soon. But we could have kept Lambert and signed Jason Roberts, who was better than him and joined a mid-table Championship side at the time.

 

Yeah, about 10 minutes ago, don't be so impatient.

 

I don't have the time to look, find me a player with at least 15 matches in central midfield or central defence for a side in last season's Prem, who has been at a Prem club regularly for at least 2 seasons, and with a year left on their contract, under the age of 30 and there are your answers. Obviously you'll get some out of our price range, but you'll get some who aren't as well.

 

There may also be some players who have top level experience in Spain, Italy, Germany or France who have non-Prem top level experience that could be worth a look, and some (but by no means all) top 30 international countries' players. They might not have the experience of the Prem but generally they'd be a fairly safe bet to be of the required standard. There will be exceptions though.

 

Oh, and Chris Baird, as he plays alongside Davis regularly for Northern Ireland, isn't past it, has plenty of Prem experience and some Europa League too, covers a couple of positions we need to improve, knows the club, doesn't cost the earth, etc.

[dubai_phil]

For me CBs are more urgent than pacy wingers.

 

Totally agree. Seeing as we clearly only have one person doing recruitment we should totally stop any discussions with any other club about any other players while they only talk to CB's

[The9]

Not just two, there are others. For example Ipswich, first season up came 5th, Newcastle came 12th.

 

So what if it is "not the norm"? It shows it is possible. Can you answer post #131 please?

 

What exactly do you think I'm doing when you're replying ? Do you know how posting replies works ?

 

Yes it's possible, I don't think anyone has said "we are definitely getting relegated based on this statistical premise" have they ? But having a team full of players who have previously not succeeded at this level does hint at a certain outcome being more likely. You're the one saying "judge the players on their own merits and not on their previous team's performances with them in it", so why would it matter what other teams had done previously ?

[Crab Lungs]

Was looking forward to reading updates on Matt Phillips signing but this thread now seems firmly entrenched in argument about something almost completely irrelevant. Huzzah, gotta love the mongboard

[Turkish]

Another dig at Cortese, you really are priceless. Just enjoy the club, stop attacking it, I think we will have something to be very proud of in a few years. If you can't wait, then there are plenty of clubs out there for you to choose from.

 

Simply stating a fact ginge. Just because you dont like it it doesn't make it untrue.

[The9]

you can add the likes of Townsend, Marsden, and Boyer as well as Ron Davies (probably our most successful import at top level) there are many others too.

 

I'm all in favour of signing promising prospects - to slot into a team with a core of experience.

[david in sweden]

Puncheon, one half season on loan at Blackpool, 11 matches relegated. Barely played for QPR (2 subs) who stayed up on the last day.

Fox - one half season with Burnley, 14 games, relegated

Rodriguez - was on loan at Barnsley when Burnley were relegated, no Prem appearances

Cork - 2 loans with Burnley, 11 Prem games relegated

K Davis - record-setting low points season with Sunderland, 33 games relegated

Richardson - 4 games for Leeds, relegated

Butterfield - 7 Prem games for Palace, relegated

Chaplow - 11 games for West Brom, first season stayed up and sent us down, second season eventually loaned to Saints as they got relegated

Barnard - 3 games for Spurs.

Matt Phillips - MLG says 21 games for Blackpool in Prem, relegated.

 

Steve Davis, 91 appearances of not being relegated with Villa, by far the most experienced Prem player we have.

Everyone else, 96 total Prem appearances (including subs) between the lot of them (plus 21 for Matt Phillips) and 7 (+1) relegations.

 

 

Remembering that his thread is supposed to be about Matt Phillips ..I think a few people have drifted off the subject BUT if you are alluding to the lack of Prem. experience in quoting the above

....you might also consider that with a couple of exceptions..nearly all those listed were considerably younger (and less experienced)....and for the most part have matured into the players we see today.

 

Their lack of experience at the time of those (various) relegations you listed... is down to the fact that they were all considerably younger at the time, and one or two probably still in their teens.? .or thereabouts (certainly U21)

 

Whether they have matured enough to hold down a place in our first team will be apparent by Christmas - if not sooner.