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Not that old crap again.

 

It's not crap though is it? It is fact that 2 years ago we were in League 1 and here we sit, a Premier League club 3 days before the season starts having already spent £10m+ on players. Would you not have taken that if offered 2 years ago?

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Alpine, getting depressed about saints. NEVER!!!!

 

Let's face it and be honest, no matter what you would be getting depressed about now. And no matter what, you will be doing your nut when we are bottom After first 5 games with our start

 

I predict many many forum breakdowns from you this season. It happened every single season

 

*awaits abuse and being called a troll*

 

Not like you to trash a perfectly reasonable discussion with personal abuse either, is it troll ??

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Whilst I do agree with you, I am confused by your stance on this. You said yourself that you are surprised by our lack of transfer dealings recently and that this window has been a wake up call. Do you not feel slightly negative feelings yourself? Not that I'm defending Alpine or anything.

 

I don't feel negative as this is pretty much where I thought we would be... Just I thought we would have signed a better keeper, probably first choice level and a CB. I think we will be fine going forward if we don't sign anyone and I am not an idiot in thinking that 433 is our "new" first choice formation. Hell, last season we changed formation countless times during a game

 

I always knew we would be having a good season if we finished 17th. All tbe guff about us being super rich, finishing mid table and going for Europe.... To me, is just guff. Until we show we want it by signing prem class players (which I'm sure we will should we stay up)

 

But top challenge top 6. We need to be spending big money and paying big money. To suggest otherwise, is jut naive

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It's not crap though is it? It is fact that 2 years ago we were in League 1 and here we sit, a Premier League club 3 days before the season starts having already spent £10m+ on players. Would you not have taken that if offered 2 years ago?

 

Yes, of course. But using that as a device to head off criticism of current-day events is getting a bit tedious.

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It's not crap though is it? It is fact that 2 years ago we were in League 1 and here we sit, a Premier League club 3 days before the season starts having already spent £10m+ on players. Would you not have taken that if offered 2 years ago?
How is this summer relevant to our position two years ago? I still don't understand that mentality.
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Same old story with a lot though isn't it. We shouldn't question Cortese because 3 years go we nearly went bust, we shouldn't question the transfers this summer because 2 years ago we were in L1. We should all skip to games with smiles on our faces just pleased we've still got a club to support and delighted we are back in the premier league. Boll*cks to that,we're paying or Premier league prices,let's have some premier league players.

 

Great idea!!!! Lets go out and sign a load of $hite for over-inflated fees and salaries just because they happen to have PL experience just to appease you because you are paying a bit more for your season ticket.

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Yes, chill out. Two years ago has every thing to do with it. We could quite easily be in a much, much worse position than we are today.

 

Nigel Adkins has stated he would like to bring in some players but it is important he brings in the right ones. I get the feeling most of you would be happy for him to just sign someone, anyone in order to appease you without any regard for asking if they are actually better than what we already have.

 

We've made 4 signings. 3 of which have been bought to go straight in to the first team. I have every faith we are working to address the acquisition of a defender and a winger but am happy to wait until the end of the transfer window if I have to for the players Nigel and Nicola feel are the right ones. I just don't think it is right to write the season off before a ball is being kicked because we haven't completed all our business yet.

 

First of all 2 years ago is irrelevant, aside from the fact we can say "ooh look, we've done well to get promoted twice in a row". Our needs and ambitions are constantly changing; now in line with being a Premier League team and wanting to at least stay there. So how we got here is a nice footnote in history but no marker on where we should place our ambitions right now.

 

And no, of course I (or anyone else) don't just want anh old player; that's a ridiculous suggestion. I want better than we have, simply because that's what Nigel Adkins said he wanted too. His ambitions, not mine. If we get those players in before the window shuts then ok, and I'll judge them on their quality when they arrive. And no-one is writing the season off are they? Unless I've missed something.

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Great idea!!!! Lets go out and sign a load of $hite for over-inflated fees and salaries just because they happen to have PL experience just to appease you because you are paying a bit more for your season ticket.

 

Or, sign very good players for good money..... If our ambition is as stated?

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Seeing as I haven't really been following other clubs' transfer activity, and I really can't be arsed to trawl through all 117 pages of the HCDAJFU thread, can somebody please tell me exactly which transfer targets we have missed out on? I mean, we all know we need a CB or two, and a pacey winger would be nice, but can anyone give me actual examples of where we have been in for these players and they have ended up signing elsewhere?

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Yes, of course. But using that as a device to head off criticism of current-day events is getting a bit tedious.

 

I'd agree, had we not already signed Clyne, Davis and Rodriguez. All 3 improve the team significantly. Realistically we are only 1 or 2 signings away from what Adkins said we'd be looking for anyway so I'd say we are about where we should be, signings-wise, this summer.

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Great idea!!!! Lets go out and sign a load of $hite for over-inflated fees and salaries just because they happen to have PL experience just to appease you because you are paying a bit more for your season ticket.

 

Wo said anything about doing that? Dnt you think it's important to have good, experienced players in key positions then? Tsk, and you're tellling people to calm down.

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Or, sign very good players for good money..... If our ambition is as stated?

 

Yeah clubs are queueing up to sell their best players aren't they? Signing the right player takes time. Not just time to identify the right player but time to persuade the selling club to sell and time to negotiate terms with the player. Not all of our signings were going to be done by Mid-August. They never have been.

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I'd agree, had we not already signed Clyne, Davis and Rodriguez. All 3 improve the team significantly. Realistically we are only 1 or 2 signings away from what Adkins said we'd be looking for anyway so I'd say we are about where we should be, signings-wise, this summer.

 

Imo, we've strengthened in less-urgent areas. One could argue that a decent GK, two CBs and some pace on the right was much, much more urgent than another RB and striker. Another CB was a reasonable move, and looks almost prescient seeing as Cork is now injured.

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Those days are supposed to be over.

 

We've just fought blood-and-guts to get back to the Premiership, and our transfer activity has been odd, to say the least.

 

Good post. 'Odd' is true........Considering our new formation, our well known lack of pace, and our well known need for a centre back and also a left back........

 

The 'we do everything behind closed doors' bla de bla rhetoric seems to mean that nothing is happening and without doubt we have left transfers far too late in the day to integrate them into the team. Why do we always leave our transfer business too late? Why didn't we have our targets known months ago and why haven't we completed those targets as we are so smart at doing business privately. I am really beginning to think that we are quite disorganised in our transfer/targets decisions or business would have been wrapped up weeks ago....

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Wo said anything about doing that? Dnt you think it's important to have good, experienced players in key positions then? Tsk, and you're tellling people to calm down.

 

Yes I do, but I trust our scouting team and management to evaluate the areas we need to strengthen and to act accordingly. Nothing they have done the past 2 years has suggested they should be questioned.

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I'd agree, had we not already signed Clyne, Davis and Rodriguez. All 3 improve the team significantly. Realistically we are only 1 or 2 signings away from what Adkins said we'd be looking for anyway so I'd say we are about where we should be, signings-wise, this summer.
Unless we sign a couple before Sunday then Adkins would disagree with you. Even three weeks ago he was disappointed that more had not been brought in.
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Yeah clubs are queueing up to sell their best players aren't they? Signing the right player takes time. Not just time to identify the right player but time to persuade the selling club to sell and time to negotiate terms with the player. Not all of our signings were going to be done by Mid-August. They never have been.

 

It doesn't seem to have been a problem for Reading or West Ham.

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Good post. 'Odd' is true........Considering our new formation, our well known lack of pace, and our well known need for a centre back and also a left back........

 

The 'we do everything behind closed doors' bla de bla rhetoric seems to mean that nothing is happening and without doubt we have left transfers far too late in the day to integrate them into the team. Why do we always leave our transfer business too late? Why didn't we have our targets known months ago and why haven't we completed those targets as we are so smart at doing business privately. I am really beginning to think that we are quite disorganised in our transfer/targets decisions or business would have been wrapped up weeks ago....

 

I'm sure that's what Man Utd fans are going to be up all night about, worrying about Van Persie...

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I think Clyne and Davis are great deals, Jrod one for the future. Which teams do you think are better?

Its a difficult one to answer just off the bat; in terms of individual signings on a like for like basis I think we've done well. And perhaps wouldn't swap too many players with some that our peers have signed. Saying that, I also think that the other clubs have signed well, and in more areas than us. I'm not necessarily saying peers have signed better individual players than us, simply that they've addressed their squad deficiencies better than us. If we sign a decent RM, a CB or two, and a GK then I think we'll be much better off than our peers. Its just it hasn't happened yet, so I can only judge on what we've done and not what we say we want to do.

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Yes I do, but I trust our scouting team and management to evaluate the areas we need to strengthen and to act accordingly. Nothing they have done the past 2 years has suggested they should be questioned.

 

So actually you agree with me that we need premier league standard players. Not your intial sneering reaction that we should just buy them because ticket prices have gone up, yes?

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I always struggle with this "Dont you think NA and NC are busting a gut behind closed doors and know where we need to reinforce" guff, for the simple reason that every transfer we've closed so far this summer has been preceeded with plenty of gossip and tittle-tattle, which has come to the attention of this site.

 

From what I can see, there has been NO serious sniffs at CB, GK and RW on this site for weeks.....

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Have you seen their signings? I genuinely wouldn't want any of them. Maybe Danny Guthrie for squad depth.

 

Time will tell. They've clearly got the players they wanted to strengthen their squads before the season starts haven't they.

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Yeah clubs are queueing up to sell their best players aren't they? Signing the right player takes time. Not just time to identify the right player but time to persuade the selling club to sell and time to negotiate terms with the player. Not all of our signings were going to be done by Mid-August. They never have been.

 

Junior hoillet would have been a great signing

 

Park ji sung would have been a great signing

 

I have no problem if we are not going for these, just don't want to hear about European football and our amazing ambition until we sign players (plural) to back these claims up

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So actually you agree with me that we need premier league standard players. Not your intial sneering reaction that we should just buy them because ticket prices have gone up, yes?

 

I agree our survival prospects would perhaps look a little brighter if we sign a couple more quality players but I'm not prepared to slit my wrists if we don't before Saturday. With respect to you all, we could sign Vincent Kompany, Gerard Pique and Nani before the end of the transfer window and it's still likely we'd be close to the bottom with our opening fixtures.

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Junior hoillet would have been a great signing

 

Park ji sung would have been a great signing

 

I have no problem if we are not going for these, just don't want to hear about European football and our amazing ambition until we sign players (plural) to back these claims up

 

Nothing at all has suggested that Junior Hoilett is worth £60k a week. Park is a work-horse but lacks class. He has been signed for shirt sales and his work rate, which I probably should add is on the decline.

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Seeing as I haven't really been following other clubs' transfer activity, and I really can't be arsed to trawl through all 117 pages of the HCDAJFU thread, can somebody please tell me exactly which transfer targets we have missed out on? I mean, we all know we need a CB or two, and a pacey winger would be nice, but can anyone give me actual examples of where we have been in for these players and they have ended up signing elsewhere?

 

Well judging by some of the negativity shown so far, I imagined I would get a glut of instant replies on this about player x going to Fulham or player Y going to Stoke etc...

 

But seeing as I haven't, maybe - just maybe - the right players that we need haven't really been available so far, or the ones we have identified are reluctant to leave their current clubs and so negotiations are taking longer than if they were out of contract or looking for a move. We know from Holloway's little spat at us that we are interested in Matt Philips, which answers the question of whether or not we have been looking for a winger, and if anybody seriously believes that NA and Nicola are happy with our CB situation and are not actively looking for extra players in that department then I can recommend a good therapist for you.

 

Since Nicola took charge we have done our transfer business the way it should be done: behind closed doors until the deal is done. We also know that NA is very particular about the type of player he wants, and I'm talking about not only the skills and talent needed for the position but the right mental attitude to make sure the player isn't a disruptive influence on the overall squad mentality. If the choice is between waiting until the season has started to sign the right players or panic-buying the wrong ones just because a handful of fans are getting hysterical because we haven't splashed out £20m yet, I am far happier for Nigel to go with the former and I will reserve judgment until the window closes.

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Nothing at all has suggested that Junior Hoilett is worth £60k a week. Park is a work-horse but lacks class. He has been signed for shirt sales and his work rate, which I probably should add is on the decline.

A free transfer and 60k per week over 4 years is roughly the same as a £7M transfer fee and £25K a week over 4 years. You could argue that's a JRod (conservative guess really).

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Well judging by some of the negativity shown so far, I imagined I would get a glut of instant replies on this about player x going to Fulham or player Y going to Stoke etc...

 

But seeing as I haven't, maybe - just maybe - the right players that we need haven't really been available so far, or the ones we have identified are reluctant to leave their current clubs and so negotiations are taking longer than if they were out of contract or looking for a move. We know from Holloway's little spat at us that we are interested in Matt Philips, which answers the question of whether or not we have been looking for a winger, and if anybody seriously believes that NA and Nicola are happy with our CB situation and are not actively looking for extra players in that department then I can recommend a good therapist for you.

 

Since Nicola took charge we have done our transfer business the way it should be done: behind closed doors until the deal is done. We also know that NA is very particular about the type of player he wants, and I'm talking about not only the skills and talent needed for the position but the right mental attitude to make sure the player isn't a disruptive influence on the overall squad mentality. If the choice is between waiting until the season has started to sign the right players or panic-buying the wrong ones just because a handful of fans are getting hysterical because we haven't splashed out £20m yet, I am far happier for Nigel to go with the former and I will reserve judgment until the window closes.

 

Agree 100%.

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If the choice is between waiting until the season has started to sign the right players or panic-buying the wrong ones just because a handful of fans are getting hysterical because we haven't splashed out £20m yet, I am far happier for Nigel to go with the former and I will reserve judgment until the window closes.

 

Sorry, can you point me in the direction of the people who are getting hysterical and saying we should just panic and sign anyone, please?

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A free transfer and 60k per week over 4 years is roughly the same as a £7M transfer fee and £25K a week over 4 years. You could argue that's a JRod (conservative guess really).

 

Wasn't free though. Pretty sure Blackburn were entitled to a fair lump of compo. Plus the fact it is rumoured he's got a bit of an attitude on him as well. I also think I'm being conservative with the £60k a week. I seem to re-call Pardew saying his expectations were actually much higher than this.

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Sorry, can you point me in the direction of the people who are getting hysterical and saying we should just panic and sign anyone, please?

 

It's not as if people are throwing around decent suggestions either though is it? A lot of people, not on this thread I must add, think we should sign Scott Dann FFS.

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It's not as if people are throwing around decent suggestions either though is it? A lot of people, not on this thread I must add, think we should sign Scott Dann FFS.

 

I think Scott dann would be a very decent signing or us, having just been promoted.

 

Then I am a realist and just won't dismiss players like him with "should e aiming higher"

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It's not as if people are throwing around decent suggestions either though is it? A lot of people, not on this thread I must add, think we should sign Scott Dann FFS.

So we have to come up with who we should actually sign before we say anything about the fact that the manager hasn't brought in the players he said he wanted before the season kicks off? We have to name who it should be before that viewpoint is given any credence?

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Was I the only one expecting us to sign up and coming young players most likely from the lower leagues then? Where people really expecting a load of expensive stars with a wealth of PL experince? If they were where did they get that idea from?

 

We seem to have signed the sort of players I was expecting (though I was expecting at least one of Blackpool's wingers if I'm honest) the only thing we're missing is the unkown foregin player that comes out of nowhere to give the SMS faithful someone to get annoyed about ...though SDR and Guly are still at the club so There is probably less need this season

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Sorry, can you point me in the direction of the people who are getting hysterical and saying we should just panic and sign anyone, please?

 

OK, that was a slight exaggeration. But it's clear that many contributors to this thread are already being pessimistic about our chances this season on the basis that we have been slower to sign players than other teams have.

 

It's been the same old story on here every transfer window for as long as I can remember.

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Was I the only one expecting us to sign up and coming young players most likely from the lower leagues then? Where people really expecting a load of expensive stars with a wealth of PL experince? If they were where did they get that idea from?

 

We seem to have signed the sort of players I was expecting (though I was expecting at least one of Blackpool's wingers if I'm honest) the only thing we're missing is the unkown foregin player that comes out of nowhere to give the SMS faithful someone to get annoyed about ...though SDR and Guly are still at the club so There is probably less need this season

 

I expected a few players like we've got plus two or three experienced heads that have a few years experience in the premier league. Not stars but players like Danny Murphy (although not him) that have been around a while and know what its all about.

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OK, that was a slight exaggeration. But it's clear that many contributors to this thread are already being pessimistic about our chances this season on the basis that we have been slower to sign players than other teams have.

 

It's been the same old story on here every transfer window for as long as I can remember.

Well its no good forecasting our chances based upon a team we don't yet have, is it? That's just make believe. I could say "I think we'll finish 12th as we're going to sign Steven Caulker, Scott Dann and Matt Jarvis in the next 2 weeks". But what would be the point?

 

Predictions are made on what you know. We know we are short in certain areas. We know the club want to improve those areas, we know they wanted to do this before the season started but haven't. We may sign players before the window shuts and, you know what, its not against the rules for people to change their minds on how they think we might do.

 

I still think we'll make signings. I think they'll be what we need and if they are significantly better than we have already, I'm confident we have more than a chance of staying up and competing. Until that happens I'll continue to register my concerns at the state of current squad, giving they'll be in action in a few days time.

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Well its no good forecasting our chances based upon a team we don't yet have, is it? That's just make believe. I could say "I think we'll finish 12th as we're going to sign Steven Caulker, Scott Dann and Matt Jarvis in the next 2 weeks". But what would be the point?

 

Predictions are made on what you know. We know we are short in certain areas. We know the club want to improve those areas, we know they wanted to do this before the season started but haven't. We may sign players before the window shuts and, you know what, its not against the rules for people to change their minds on how they think we might do.

 

Exactly. Common sense at last.

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OK, that was a slight exaggeration. But it's clear that many contributors to this thread are already being pessimistic about our chances this season on the basis that we have been slower to sign players than other teams have.

 

It's been the same old story on here every transfer window for as long as I can remember.

 

Pessimism or realism? We are lacking experience and we are lacking quality in defence. Successful teams and in our case this season staying up is success isn't achieved by attempting to out score teams but defending well and being difficult to beat. We aren't strong defensively when under pressure, this was proven on a number of occasions last season. How many times did we win because we defended brilliantly?

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I expected a few players like we've got plus two or three experienced heads that have a few years experience in the premier league. Not stars but players like Danny Murphy (although not him) that have been around a while and know what its all about.

 

Where did this myth come from that this is what you need? Who at Norwich or Swansea from last season would you put in to this category? The only side that did this last season was QPR and they very nearly went down.

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I expected a few players like we've got plus two or three experienced heads that have a few years experience in the premier league. Not stars but players like Danny Murphy (although not him) that have been around a while and know what its all about.

 

Why is PL experience so important though? Seriously? Just because somebody has played in the PL before doesn't automatically make them a better player than someone who hasn't. It's the same game at the end of it all, so if you are good enough you will make the step up regardless IMO. This idea that we badly need PL experienced players is a fallacy IMO.

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I expected a few players like we've got plus two or three experienced heads that have a few years experience in the premier league. Not stars but players like Danny Murphy (although not him) that have been around a while and know what its all about.

 

Yep, exactly. Players like Ji-Sung Park, Ryan Nelsen, Danny Guthrie, Michael Turner, Robert Green, Pavel Pogrebnyak (all just quickly off the top of my head) are all decent signings who will do well alongside young, up and coming players from the lower leagues.

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Where did this myth come from that this is what you need? Who at Norwich or Swansea from last season would you put in to this category? The only side that did this last season was QPR and they very nearly went down.

 

Why is it a myth? You need leaders and you need experience. For a club that is telling everyone that will listen we are going to challenging for the title in a couple of year times I would have expected more than signing players from the championship. I'd have expected proven premier league players.

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Why is PL experience so important though? Seriously? Just because somebody has played in the PL before doesn't automatically make them a better player than someone who hasn't. It's the same game at the end of it all, so if you are good enough you will make the step up regardless IMO. This idea that we badly need PL experienced players is a fallacy IMO.

 

 

 

Our lack of experience in the CB position will cost us dearly, never mind ability!

 

Ideally we need a 27/28 yo CB with a few years PL experience to knit everything together.

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Where did this myth come from that this is what you need? Who at Norwich or Swansea from last season would you put in to this category? The only side that did this last season was QPR and they very nearly went down.

 

& both Swansea & Norwich will seriously struggle this year. Ideally you need a mix of youth & experience & we lack that.

 

LM made a virtue out of blending a team.

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