VectisSaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Maybe International Clearance rather than a work permit. I remember we had to get int clearance for Steven D from Rangers. You always have to get international clearance for a transfer between 2 countries, whatever level, standard practice. It is normally a formality, and is not affected by the quality of the player. It was only complicated a little with Steve Davis because of the Rangers situation, in that effectively he was not registered with a team affiliated to the Scottish FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Deal has stalled again! As ramirez wants shirt number 7, but lambert aint budging! FFs Nice try, but we've already reserved number 10 for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.calciomercato.com%2Fmercato%2Fgaston-ramirez-dice-addio-al-bologna-782122 Confirms work permit needed, they can take ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Slots straight in for Jay Rodriguez on the left IMO. But as you said, he can also play right, in behind or as a ST. He's that sort of all covered front 3 type of player, will fit perfectly into the formation we're trying. He's the sort of player you need to make that formation work in the first place. Did most of his best work for Bologna centrally and after that prefers the right to cut in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.calciomercato.com%2Fmercato%2Fgaston-ramirez-dice-addio-al-bologna-782122 "Medical ritual" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 (edited) Wise words Toomer but somehow Burley and Skacel aren't in the same League in terms of class and ability. Fingers crossed he will be a massive boost to us but we still need some bog standard old fashioned Premiership defenders and, dare I say it, some pace out wide. Far too one-dimensional on Saturday. Yea it would have been great to have James Collins or someone similar. These bog standard premier league defenders are awesome Edited 27 August, 2012 by Dig Dig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 "Medical ritual" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Confirms work permit needed, they can take ages. At least we have a 2 week break after United, which I don't think he would be ready for anyway. Plenty of time to get a work permit sorted. Even my passport renewal came through in under 2 weeks.... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Confirms work permit needed, they can take ages. Only if he does not meet the criteria, which is based on FIFA ranking of his international team and number of international appearances in last 2 or 3? years. Pahars took ages because Latvia were very lowly ranked. Uruguay are currently ranked 4th, so no problem there. As of Feb, Ramirez had played 9 times for Uruguay in last 2 years, so probably no issue there either. Found the rules: 1. A player must have played for his country in at least 75% of its competitive “A” team matches he was available for selection, during the 2 years preceding the date of the application; 2. The player’s country must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA World Rankings when averaged over the 2 years preceding the date of the application Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 When he signs I shall make this thread a 'sticky'. Cannot believe how much we have spent this window so far, stunning stuff. Still can't believe it's my saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 When he signs I shall make this thread a 'sticky'. Cannot believe how much we have spent this window so far, stunning stuff. Still can't believe it's my saints It's still your Saints, trust me......Saturday proved that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 He'll still need a work permit, even of he holds an EU passport, it just means that the % of him Getting one are a lot higher than non-EU nationals. Dont think so mate. EU nationals have a right to work across the EU. "You are entitled to be recruited under the same conditions as nationals of the country in which you are seeking work. You cannot be asked to meet any additional requirements. This means that you can apply for any job vacancy advertised in any EU country, including public sector jobs [h=2]Employment rights[/h]As an EU national working in another EU country you have the right to live there. For a stay of over three months, this right is confirmed by the issuing of a residence permit to EU nationals.You are subject to the same working conditions as nationals of the country you are working in as regards, for example, pay, dismissal, hours of work, maternity leave and health /safety at work. You are also subject to the same conditions as nationals of the host country with regard to the principles of equality between men and women." But anyway since he is Ukrainian (not Russian as someone else seems to think) he will need a work permit as well as international clearance from the football authorities. So even if he signs today, I don't rate his chances of being cleared to play this weekend. Much more chance with Danish defenders though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Play him on left or right then? GULY is no good at RM and JRod is not a LM A player with his attributes has be playing in the middle pulling the strings. The hazard/silva roll is what he will do best. Lallana will have push back out wide and hopefully we bring in another flair winger with pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 But anyway since he is Ukrainian (not Russian as someone else seems to think) he will need a work permit as well as international clearance from the football authorities. So even if he signs today, I don't rate his chances of being cleared to play this weekend. Much more chance with Danish defenders though! Er, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Er, what? Gaston Ramirzhenko? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Dont think so mate. EU nationals have a right to work across the EU. "You are entitled to be recruited under the same conditions as nationals of the country in which you are seeking work. You cannot be asked to meet any additional requirements. This means that you can apply for any job vacancy advertised in any EU country, including public sector jobs [h=2]Employment rights[/h]As an EU national working in another EU country you have the right to live there. For a stay of over three months, this right is confirmed by the issuing of a residence permit to EU nationals.You are subject to the same working conditions as nationals of the country you are working in as regards, for example, pay, dismissal, hours of work, maternity leave and health /safety at work. You are also subject to the same conditions as nationals of the host country with regard to the principles of equality between men and women." But anyway since he is Ukrainian (not Russian as someone else seems to think) he will need a work permit as well as international clearance from the football authorities. So even if he signs today, I don't rate his chances of being cleared to play this weekend. Much more chance with Danish defenders though! Forgetting the last bit, Is there any proof he is an EU national? And he still needs clearance to work here. Which, as you have pointed out, is guaranteed for EU nationals (unless he's a drug dealer or wanted for murder etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Rmour on fans websites is that both rickie and adam L and ward prowse are off to pastures new this week Why are there so many depressive wind up c***s out there . its bad enough reading all the negative stuff on this site. Keep the faith we will be okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Er, what?[/quote Oops ..predictive text makes fool out of poster again! Bloody iPad! Retreats in embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Exciting times, well at least until he goes on strike at the end of the season to force a move to Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Er, what?[/quote Oops ..predictive text makes fool out of poster again! Bloody iPad! Retreats in embarrassment. And the reference to Russia....what were you trying to say when the IPad changed that as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 It's still your Saints, trust me......Saturday proved that! Every now and again, there is a post that causes a 'coffee hits keyboard' moment, this is such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 And the reference to Russia....what were you trying to say when the IPad changed that as well? That was a reference to pap's "Know that Russia is not part of the EU, but they seem to be at the other end of the scale when it comes to foreign imports" ....since you ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Play him on left or right then? GULY is no good at RM and JRod is not a LM He plays on the left he plays on the right, cos Guly Du Prado and Rodriguez are sh!te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I would be very surprised if Ramirez is not played centrally in the typical no. 10 role. Forward line of Lallana, Lambert, Phillips (or similar) with Guly and Puncheon providing squad depth and Rodrigues competing with Rickie. Also think Lee could play wide of a forward 3 so plenty of options if Ramirez and Phillips sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 DL_corriere: Rumors: #southampton and #bolognafc could complete #Ramirez deal for €14mln 'cash' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I'll believe it only when it's on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I would be very surprised if Ramirez is not played centrally in the typical no. 10 role. Forward line of Lallana, Lambert, Phillips (or similar) with Guly and Puncheon providing squad depth and Rodrigues competing with Rickie. Also think Lee could play wide of a forward 3 so plenty of options if Ramirez and Phillips sign. You are going to be very surprised then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 He's not allowed to sign yet we haven't made 100 pages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 You are going to be very surprised then Explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Zoggers87: @DL_corriere Reports today suggest it is nearly completed? DL_corriere: @Zoggers87 yes it is Saintsareback: @DL_corriere hello how long until it could be sealed? DL_corriere: @Saintsareback today is a key day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Explain Adkins has repeatedly talked about Lallana's new position in the team and he wouldn't have spent the whole of pre season playing him in the middle if he was then going to move him back out wide once we signed Ramirez. He'll stay central and Ramirez will play in one of the wide roles (if he signs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Voters 572 Lots of empty voting stalls for a premier league transfer saga like this? Really poor effort from the fans and a nervous, subdued atmosphere in here... too many voters with idiotic oversized foam pens to put their X FFS even Pompey got 453 votes on a poll about which charity they would prefer to sponsor the re-signing of Vincent Pericard! They're the bestest voters in the land... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Cooommmeeeee ooonnnnnnn ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Explain Adkins has repeatedly talked about Lallana's new position in the team and he wouldn't have spent the whole of pre season playing him in the middle if he was then going to move him back out wide once we signed Ramirez. He'll stay central and Ramirez will play in one of the wide roles (if he signs) Thank you. and just in case anyone is in any doubt. He's a winger, although i expect him to be able to rotate postions at times in the main he'll be a winger, because, well, he's a winger. Therefore i'd be very surprised if he's played in anything other than the position he plays in, which to clairfy, is as a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 HusseinMarhoon: #Bologna agreed to sell Gastón Ramírez for €14m to Southampton. Announcement expected soon (via: @carlolaudisa) #SaintsFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 HusseinMarhoon: #Bologna agreed to sell Gastón Ramírez for €14m to Southampton. Announcement expected soon (via: @carlolaudisa) #SaintsFC hurrah..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 HusseinMarhoon: #Bologna agreed to sell Gastón Ramírez for €14m to Southampton. Announcement expected soon (via: @carlolaudisa) #SaintsFC Finally !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Feckeing ey : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenGusBus Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Announcement on the Saints OS at 12:30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 carlolaudisa: #Bologna. Svolta per la cessione di #Ramirez. Accordo con il #Southampton per 14 mln. A breve l'annuncio #gds carlolaudisa: #Bologna. Turning point for the sale of #Ramirez. Agreement with the #Southampton for 14 mln. In the short the announcement #gds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 How reliable is this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 TouchlineDrama: Gazzetta dello Sport breaking the news that Southampton have at last reached a €14m+ agreement with Bologna and Peñarol for Gastón Ramírez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 How reliable is this guy? The sports reporter for the local Bologna paper. Also confirmed by the chief football reporter for Sky Italia, and also the Italian correspondent for ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Thank you. and just in case anyone is in any doubt. He's a winger, although i expect him to be able to rotate postions at times in the main he'll be a winger, because, well, he's a winger. Therefore i'd be very surprised if he's played in anything other than the position he plays in, which to clairfy, is as a winger. If he's as good as suggested, you have to build the team around Ramirez and wherever he can do most damage -could be on the wing, could be more central (mindful that comes with defensive responsibilities). Anything else would be a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Thank you. and just in case anyone is in any doubt. He's a winger, although i expect him to be able to rotate postions at times in the main he'll be a winger, because, well, he's a winger. Therefore i'd be very surprised if he's played in anything other than the position he plays in, which to clairfy, is as a winger. Wrong AGAIN Turkish. He'll play the quarter back role for us. Btw, he played most of last season through the middle for Bologna. Did alright for a winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 By the way, I don't think this announcement is going to be ''He has signed'' - It's going to be a quick statement released which confirms what we suspect, that we've reached agreement with the club for the transfer of Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 DL_corriere: Rumors: #southampton and #bolognafc could complete #Ramirez deal for €14mln 'cash' Are you sure ??? Has Lawrenson agreed it ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Are you sure ??? Has Lawrenson agreed it ?? Cannot wait to see his face on MOTD2 this Sunday after the Man Utd game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 this can't be happening....people on this thread has said it was dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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