maxi_sopez Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 f*ck me this is a huge signing. mad. cant believe we have got him. kind of a agree with this tweet football has gone a bit mad! but loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 f*ck me this is a huge signing. mad. cant believe we have got him. kind of a agree with this tweet football has gone a bit mad! but loving it. We haven't yet. Could be a few hurdles to jump over yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 We haven't yet. Could be a few hurdles to jump over yet. This! It's so easy to only believe the positive reports but let's wait and see, a lot of people were talking as if it was a done deal on the first few pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Yeah he still has to get through the medical and contract details will have to be sorted etc, but with news of a breakthrough between the us and Bologna it feels like after a week of uncertainty a huge hurdle has been cleared on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Thank f*ck for that. Think he'll be a massive improvement to our squad, although that link says that he needs a work permit: would he get one in time for Man Utd if we signed him tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Thank f*ck for that. Think he'll be a massive improvement to our squad, although that link says that he needs a work permit: would he get one in time for Man Utd if we signed him tomorrow? No idea. Won't make a huge amount of difference I thought he was injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 No idea. Won't make a huge amount of difference I thought he was injured? An the infamous ''transfer imminent" injury scare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 It was never in doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesandRegulations/FARegulations/NewsAndFeatures/2009/work_permits_players.aspx relevant bits: 1. A player must have played for his country in at least 75% of its competitive “A” team matches he was available for selection, during the 2 years preceding the date of the application; - not sure he has 2. The player’s country must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA World Rankings when averaged over the 2 years preceding the date of the application - fits Will probably need to go to a Panel, which means he needs to fill the following; The panel will normally consist of representatives from the relevant football governing bodies together with up to three independent experts. The FA will endeavour to ensure there are no conflicts of interest between the independent experts and the applicant club. If the applicant club wishes to object to the involvement of any of the independent experts it must do so in writing at least 24 hours before the panel hearing, explaining their reasons for the objection. The panel's terms of reference are: - To consider whether the player is of the highest calibre. - To consider whether the player is able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in England. He'll probably get approved by a panel, however I don't know how long that takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 A bit more from the bloke who broke the story. Gianluca Di Marzio @dimarziotweet @tcumner1986 @tancredipalmeri @officialsaints in these cases they usually leave to the other club (Penar) 30% of a future deal... So a slight loss of translation, we will own 100% but pay Panarol 30% of any future transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 A bit more from the bloke who broke the story. Gianluca Di Marzio @dimarziotweet @tcumner1986 @tancredipalmeri @officialsaints in these cases they usually leave to the other club (Penar) 30% of a future deal... So a slight loss of translation, we will own 100% but pay Panarol 30% of any future transfer. So in reality its a thirty percent sell on clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Lets not forget Rahdi was given a WP on appeal. Clearly of the highest calibre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 So in reality its a thirty percent sell on clause. Pretty much, yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Lets not forget Rahdi was given a WP on appeal. Clearly of the highest calibre. I never understood why that was so complicated to sort. He'd played in England for 5 or 6 years, for 2 different clubs. Represented Tunisia regularly. Why they refused the original permit is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 How long's he been in Italy? Might qualify for Italian citizenship? Has he got ant European blood in him? Might not need a WP if that were the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 It has been clarified that Penarol's 30% ownership will now become a 30% sell on clause for any future transfer as part of the deal to take Gaston Ramirez to Southampton. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 How long's he been in Italy? Might qualify for Italian citizenship? Has he got ant European blood in him? Might not need a WP if that were the case. Nope, no European blood. Been it Italy since 2010. Plays for Uruguay who are ranked 4th in the world. Shouldn't be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andover_Saint07 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 [h=6] can see what all the fuss is about now [/h] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andover_Saint07 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 ... Ah ok i thought we already agreed to pay them in instalments for there money owed? :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 you know it makes sense ! done according to this http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/southampton-clinch-bitter-deal-bologna-rebel-gaston-ramirez-3475191?utm_source=feed_featured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 (edited) you know it makes sense ! done, according to this..... Southampton have clinched a deal for Bologna winger Gaston Ramirez. After several weeks of bitter negotiations, Saints were convinced by Ramirez's agent, Pablo Betancourt, to pay 70 per cent of his €14 million up front to close the agreement. Sky Italia says the deal is now settled and the Uruguayan will be in Rome today to finalise his visa and immigration papers ahead of flying to the south coast. Read more at http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/southampton-clinch-bitter-deal-bologna-rebel-gaston-ramirez-3475191?utm_source=feed_featured#P2KcpKlDBGcj3Kxh.99 before the usual suspects whine to get this thread closed it's on the other thread..but buried in amongst all the *****ing arguing... you can find it somwhere on page 95 ................................................................................................. Edited 27 August, 2012 by patred44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Buried in among the other thread? Currently It's the last post on page 95. Not difficult for people to find is it? Is not even a good source and says nothing more than what people have already posted from Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Would perhaps hold fire on a deal done thread until it's confirmed on the OS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Would perhaps hold fire on a deal done thread until it's confirmed on the OS can you find anything on there ??? can't even get the fixtures right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 http://www.gianlucadimarzio.com/calciomercato/ramirez-il-southampton-ora-e-vicinissimo/ google translation... A sudden turn, decisive. The agent of Gaston Ramirez, Pablo Bentancur, is in England. It 'party yesterday morning, after an intense exchange of e-mail with Southampton. He convinced the president to pay 14 million for 70% of the card of the player. Abandoning his commission just to close the deal. 30% of the tag will remain so at Penarol and the player's agents. It 'a story he worked on in the late evening Peppe Di Stefano, confirmations are not lacking. According to sources close to Ramirez filters, then the deal is already closed. Expect only the last bank guarantees, performance bonds on the agreed amount, but this time missing very little. Only the latest details. Ramirez is in fact outside the EU, will serve a work permit to play in England tomorrow will be in Rome for the visa, between Thursday and Friday flight in England. The medical examination would otherwise provided in Italy, with the staff of the Saints arriving in the next few hours. When Ramirez has now left Bologna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I read that one too and that´s kind of a first if it´s true that the agent gave up his commission on the deal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Italian journalist @dimarziotweet is reporting Gaston Ramirez's move to #SaintsFC is almost complete. The standstill appears to be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Breaking News,Ramirez fails his medical,due to having to carry Nigel Adkins back to the drawing board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 [h=6] can see what all the fuss is about now [/h] That goal at 2:30 is quality.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Like most on here, Ive got nothing to really say. Just pushing for page 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Both articles were posted at about quarter past 1 this morning. That's dedicated journalism for you. Hopefully we'll see some developments today. He looks a cracking player on YouTube, but then again, so do most people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Cortese put up his white flag thats a shame i reckon if we had have waited a bit longer in the week they would have crumbled first. Daft surmisation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If he ends up signing lets hope it won't be an anti climax of the Skacel kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If he ends up signing lets hope it won't be an anti climax of the Skacel kind. Wise words Toomer but somehow Burley and Skacel aren't in the same League in terms of class and ability. Fingers crossed he will be a massive boost to us but we still need some bog standard old fashioned Premiership defenders and, dare I say it, some pace out wide. Far too one-dimensional on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If he ends up signing lets hope it won't be an anti climax of the Skacel kind. Party pooper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Jeez go away for 4 days and this thread was STILL running! Well, hope this morning's news is true, 'coz after Saturday we need something on the left & it ain't JRod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Jeez go away for 4 days and this thread was STILL running! Well, hope this morning's news is true, 'coz after Saturday we need something on the left & it ain't JRod Just the Left? I was there too looked like more than just the left to me! A better defence Pace and and a bit more creativity required, the ability to win the ball back too could have been useful seconfd half! lets hope this deal gets sorted ASAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Please stick to the main Ramirez thread. I'm sure a sticky will be posted when he signs and all is on the OS. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I never understood why that was so complicated to sort. He'd played in England for 5 or 6 years, for 2 different clubs. Represented Tunisia regularly. Why they refused the original permit is beyond me. Because we were in league 1 and they assume anyone playing league 1 standard is not special and therefore should be EU players hopefully they will look at things a bit more quickly now we are in the premiere league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Just the Left? I was there too looked like more than just the left to me! A better defence Pace and and a bit more creativity required, the ability to win the ball back too could have been useful seconfd half! lets hope this deal gets sorted ASAP! Yeah posted on back from match thread ( bloody M23 closed for car smash nightmare on the way back grrr) Fonte was horrific so need that CB desperately as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Wise words Toomer but somehow Burley and Skacel aren't in the same League in terms of class and ability. Fingers crossed he will be a massive boost to us but we still need some bog standard old fashioned Premiership defenders and, dare I say it, some pace out wide. Far too one-dimensional on Saturday. Yes but remember this kid is going to cost ten times more than Skacel did. I think we are expecting more than just being better than Rudi Skacel. The risk of Skacel level dissaspointment is very much there because the expectation will be miles higher. But lets sign him first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If he needs a work permit I doubt it would be sorted in time for Sunday which would be a shame. Maybe Lawro could help fast track it? Watching the clips of Ramirez and reading some of the articles again reminded me how good a signing he would be. Much needed flair and creativity in the final third with an excellent shot. Just would need to get him on the ball a lot and use him in the right way - might be wasted stuck out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Is it possible that we might have already done all the ground work for the work permit when he agreed to sign last week? Surely we wouldn't have gone through all that if there was any risk of him not getting one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Bologna press http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//corrieredibologna.corriere.it/bologna/notizie/rossoblu/2012/27-agosto-2012/bologna-solo-brutte-notizie-disfatta-chievo-gaston-se-ne-va-2111576049679.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If he needs a work permit I doubt it would be sorted in time for Sunday which would be a shame. Maybe Lawro could help fast track it? Watching the clips of Ramirez and reading some of the articles again reminded me how good a signing he would be. Much needed flair and creativity in the final third with an excellent shot. Just would need to get him on the ball a lot and use him in the right way - might be wasted stuck out wide. How long did it take to get a work permit for Suarez or David Luis or any of those other Brazilians,Argentines and Uruguayans? Think it's only a formality if they meet the criteria set down by the FA to the Home Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I am sure I read somewhere on one the previous 95 pages that he has a European passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Bologna press http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//corrieredibologna.corriere.it/bologna/notizie/rossoblu/2012/27-agosto-2012/bologna-solo-brutte-notizie-disfatta-chievo-gaston-se-ne-va-2111576049679.shtml 14M Euros is about £11M up front, with sell ons covering the agent's and feeder club's shares. Could be good news very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Till its on the OS I'm not believing anything, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Bologna press http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//corrieredibologna.corriere.it/bologna/notizie/rossoblu/2012/27-agosto-2012/bologna-solo-brutte-notizie-disfatta-chievo-gaston-se-ne-va-2111576049679.shtml So basically we're paying the money to Bologna but Penarol 30% of any sell on fee? Not joint ownership per se but like a legal charge put over property? I guess this way neither Saints nor Bologna blinked first, it was the agent who did (unheard of?). Whatever, hopefully we'll be welcoming a much needed creative force into the team very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I am sure I read somewhere on one the previous 95 pages that he has a European passport. How sure are you? After a statement like that I think you're duty-bound to read through them and find the quote. Hopefully, by the time you're finished he will be on the pitch against Man U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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