Gaston Ramirez - Signs 4 Year Deal

[speed demon]

I don't buy all this Buttner crap. Not saying we should have but had we just rolled with the terms and concluded the deal as fast as possible he would have been our player by the time other parties were interested. He opened his gob didn't he about how great we were, wants to join, spoke about the stadium etc etc etc Easy to say after it's happened Man U declared an interest in me ages ago. You'd already be our player mate if NC was happy to have his pants down over the deal.

[Dig Dig]

Sorry but Richmond is right, the deal with us went wrong at the same time Manure first expressed an interest just over a month ago. The timing was reported by Manure just before he signed, and IMHO is far more reliable than a dodgy Dutch journo.

 

He isn't right. WE pulled out of the Buttner deal. The fact he subsequently joined Utd is of zero consequence.

[Frank's cousin]

The "interest" relayed to Buttner a month ago scupperred our deal with him. (not many would turn down Man U )

 

Then, when they were ready, Man U finalised the deal within hours, hardly giving the Press time to speculate

 

Regards

"Idiot"

 

Good job we both support Saints, otherwise you could get hostile on here

 

Right so, you are in effect saying that Buttner prefereed Man U to Saints - well er, perhaps thats just the way things are - given the global size of that club? Jrod preferred us to Burnley - face facts there is a pecking order and right now we are the new boys in the prem - to current players the 27 years means feck all - all that matters is that in most folks eyes we are bottom 8 - so the to even get players like Ramirez and Buttner to consider coming here is a positive thing. I really dont get what your issue is - you act/speak like we should be able to compete with the top 6 or even top 10 after being back in the prem for 5 mins - suggesting the club is fecking things up without a shread of evidence... if you have a issue with NC fair enough thats your choice, but at least explain what your issue is, because frankly if its concerns over his transfer dealings you must be ignorant of how these things work. We have donw what most would consider the hard part with someone like Ramirez - convince teh player that this is a good move. OK there is a chance he is lying to to try and trigger a bigger move to a bigger club, but if that is the case then that's down to him and his greed, bnot Saints cocking up.

 

The only FACT we know on all this and after 92 pages of this thread (apart from a few good comedy moments) is that at present no common ground on fee has been reached and that although they are still a distance away, discussions may be on going - it may still happen, it may not and BOTH clubs are sticking to their guns which is a good thing. I suspect as the deadline draws nearer a compromise may be reached, if not - well thats teh way it goes with things more often than not.

 

I also suspect that if Bologna are in a financial mess, then its in their intersets to drag this out to near the dealine - if allows them to demonstrate to fans they are playing hard ball, yet if he is then sold, its too late to replace him and the cash can be used to deal with their financial problems... just a thought.

 

Chill out FFS and either accept that until we are top 6 some players are always going to use us as a marker for a bigger move, or at least spell out your issue with NC, as to suggest he has a problem with transfers is ludicrous in the extreme and suggest a complete ignorance of the process and our position in the pecking order

[Big Bad Bob]

Now. Can you name ANY player from ANY club that we have been gazzumped on recently? Can you?

 

Well, Sahin has gone to Liverpool and then there was the Jon Obi Milkel incident in our relegation season, gazzumped by Chelsea IIRC

 

On, and then there's Lucas Moura, he's going to PSG instead of us...

 

Do please keep up

[Big Bad Bob]

Interesting to see Chelsea do something very similar with Mata, Hazard and Ramires the other night.

 

Feck, have Chelsea gazumped us now, why are we still in negotiations with Bologna if he's gone to Chelsea??

 

I do hope people get that I am not that stupid

Edited 25 August, 2012 by Big Bad Bob

[Frank's cousin]

Well, Sahin has gone to Liverpool and then there was the Jon Obi Milkel incident in our relegation season, gazzumped by Chelsea IIRC

 

On, and then there's Lucas Moura, he's going to PSG instead of us...

 

Do please keep up

 

Aye bigger richer clubs - shock horror - if a player we are after prefers the likes of Wigan or West Brom, then fair enough it might suggest we have a problem, but players preferring Champions league clubs, top 7/8 is fricken normal, not some great mistery or cock up....

[VectisSaint]

The only FACT we know on all this and after 92 pages of this thread is that at present no common ground on fee has been reached

Is this a FACT? I recall reading some time back that the fee was not the sticking point, only the terms of payment, and that there was a significant difference between what Bologna wanted and what we were prepared to do in terms of payment terms. I know I haven't read every single post on this thread but I don't recall the fee itself being much of an issue, 15m euros I believe (net to Bologna).

[Big Bad Bob]

Aye bigger richer clubs - shock horror - if a player we are after prefers the likes of Wigan or West Brom' date=' then fair enough it might suggest we have a problem, but players preferring Champions league clubs, top 7/8 is fricken normal, not some great mistery or cock up....[/quote']

 

Exactly, but some from the south-eastern region of London would see it otherwise.

 

I'm sure that the expected approach is for Mr Cortese to drop his trousers and boxers, bend over in front of whoever he's negotiating, spreads his cheeks wide and say "How deep would you like to shove it??" (sorry for the BMI!!)

[Big Bad Bob]

Is this a FACT? I recall reading some time back that the fee was not the sticking point, only the terms of payment, and that there was a significant difference between what Bologna wanted and what we were prepared to do in terms of payment terms. I know I haven't read every single post on this thread but I don't recall the fee itself being much of an issue, 15m euros I believe (net to Bologna).

 

Well, if one of the latest tweets is to be believed they want €15m net and I think we're offering €15m gross (which is about €12.4m net!!)

 

But I'm sure that this is a change from their original acceptance of our offer.

[Frank's cousin]

Is this a FACT? I recall reading some time back that the fee was not the sticking point, only the terms of payment, and that there was a significant difference between what Bologna wanted and what we were prepared to do in terms of payment terms. I know I haven't read every single post on this thread but I don't recall the fee itself being much of an issue, 15m euros I believe (net to Bologna).

 

As I understood it the 15mil is agreed - but that Bologna want 15 mil NET, and at present the way the deal is structured is sainst offereing 15 mil gross means Bologna only get around 12.75 mil net - thats what seemed to being hinted at - I thing the 'bank guarrantee thing' is a smokescreen for hagling over an additional 2.25 mil Euros.... but that is my opinion based on rumour and speculation - By FACT I menat no common ground - whether on fee or how its paid is irrelevent - there is currently no comon ground, but that does not mean they wont possibly find some eventually

 

.... feck some of you are fast (edit)

[Dalek2003]

According to Toadhall Ramirez has agreed terms so we must be close to signing him, in fact we may have done so but we are keeping it a secret until KO.

[John B]

The only fact is that Ramirez is still a Bologna player

 

This probably means that we have not met the terms required by Bologna

[Toadhall Saint]

According to Toadhall Ramirez has agreed terms so we must be close to signing him, in fact we may have done so but we are keeping it a secret until KO.

 

My post was to Alpine - what the feck has it got to do with you glenda?.

Edited 25 August, 2012 by Toadhall Saint
Cos I can

[Gingeletiss]

The only fact is that Ramirez is still a Bologna player

 

This probably means that we have not met the terms required by Bologna

 

Well, we did, but they moved the goalposts, hence the 92 pages.

[johnnyboy]

Bologna&Ramirez

Today's newspapers of Bologna ridicule the proposal of the Saints.

 

 

I had told you: never make business with Bologna, they are sneaky and unreliable.

 

But trust me, it is better. Ramirez is not a player for english football.

Now celebrate togheter.

from an italian poster on saints mad http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=479&fid=224&sty=2&act=1&mid=2114219077

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[up and away]

Originally Posted by Dig Dig

 

According to Mr Richmond, Utd signed Buttner in a matter of hours, despite Buttner himself saying Utd made their interest know over a month ago. Idiot.

 

The "interest" relayed to Buttner a month ago scupperred our deal with him. (not many would turn down Man U )

 

Then, when they were ready, Man U finalised the deal within hours, hardly giving the Press time to speculate

 

Regards

"Idiot"

 

Good job we both support Saints, otherwise you could get hostile on here

 

Buttner knew of ManU interest before he spoke to Saints. As he commented at the time, first team football was very important in the decision. He chose Saints knowing he could be back up to Evra for this season.

 

With his options running down he has now decided to take that option, clearly as a squad player not first team.

[up and away]

Well, if one of the latest tweets is to be believed they want €15m net and I think we're offering €15m gross (which is about €12.4m net!!)

 

But I'm sure that this is a change from their original acceptance of our offer.

 

I am surprised no one picked up on this before, but that €15m net comes out to €24.4m gross when you take into account agent, player and Penarol add ons. I don't believe we went in offering €15m gross, which shaves down to €10.5m net.

 

That's a hell of a lot of money for Saints and Bologna has always referenced the net figure. This just shows how difficult it is to buy in players who will make a difference to a team. Not even sure you can class Ramirez as being that grade of player but as close as we have come.

[Big Bad Bob]

I am surprised no one picked up on this before, but that €15m net comes out to €24.4m gross when you take into account agent, player and Penarol add ons. I don't believe we went in offering €15m gross, which shaves down to €10.5m net.

 

That's a hell of a lot of money for Saints and Bologna has always referenced the net figure. This just shows how difficult it is to buy in players who will make a difference to a team. Not even sure you can class Ramirez as being that grade of player but as close as we have come.

 

I seem to recall reading that we had agreed a separate 1.5m fee with Penarol (in what currency I have no idea), that fee wouldn't be coming out of the €12.5m net that we agreed/were agreeing with Bologna.

 

Now it seems to me that we had agreed something with Bologna and they suddenly realised that they weren't going to get as much Net as they thought they were, so it seems that the foundations of the moving goalposts are built on sand!!!

[Dalek2003]

My post was to Alpine - what the feck has it got to do with you glenda?.

 

Ha ha ha ! So sorry I thought this was an open forum for us all to discuss. Perhaps you should stick to sending personal messages !

I would suggest you are more concerned about being reminded of your rather foolish statement.

[SO16_Saint]

Ramirez not in Bologna squad today

[St.Patrik]

Isn´t he on strike or something according to some people on Twitter?

[.comsaint]

Isn´t he on strike or something according to some people on Twitter?

 

 

Not quite "on strike"... just readying himself for a transfer to Saints!!

 

http://www.football-italia.net/24289/ramirez-head-not-game

[SO16_Saint]

Not quite "on strike"... just readying himself for a transfer to Saints!!

 

http://www.football-italia.net/24289/ramirez-head-not-game

 

Loving the Bologna coach using the 'on the bus' phrase

[S-Clarke]

Christ, do we need someone like him. Please sign.

[Dalek2003]

According to Toadhall Ramirez has already agreed terms so we can relax.

[Pilchards]

The latest I have on the Raminez is he has met the staff and did stay in Lyndhurst for a while and is currently waiting for Saints to sort out the deal with his club.

We are holding tight as Bologna has to sell up and they are waiting desperately for someone else to come in or take our offer before the deadline.

Edited 26 August, 2012 by St Chalet

[Badger]

The latest I have on the Raminez is he has met the staff and did stay in Lyndhurst for a while and is currently waiting for Saints to sort out the deal with his club.

We are holding tight as Bologna has to sell up and they are waiting desperately for someone else to come in or take our offer before the deadline.

 

 

May be so, but it does seem a risky strategy to play this 'poker' and bluff for too long.

 

We wait, the deal does not happen, do we risk missing out on Phillips for this ? Or should we be directing our time and money bending Oyston's ear at Blackpool ? Seems one or other to me so at some stage something has to give or we sign neither ( which is the most likely outcome in my view anyway).

Edited 26 August, 2012 by St Chalet

[saint_disco123]

I refuse for this thread not to get to 100 pages!

 

so then any other news on GR? Im sure with todays game cortese will see that we need abit more money for players and get some in? no doubt it will be GR and 1 or 2 CB's

[Wade Garrett]

The latest I have on the Raminez is he has met the staff and did stay in Lyndhurst for a while and is currently waiting for Saints to sort out the deal with his club.

We are holding tight as Bologna has to sell up and they are waiting desperately for someone else to come in or take our offer before the deadline.

 

 

If we let this run until deadline day, we may well miss out on alternative targets if it goes tits up. I think it's important, especially after today, to get reinforcements in quickly and bed them in so they can play next Sunday.

Edited 26 August, 2012 by St Chalet

[CB Fry]

This is what has happened to our forum with comments like this.

 

Shame really.

 

 

 

Not really. I've been on this forum laughing at your horsesh it "inside info" for at least seven, eight, nine years. So nothing's changed son.

[Faz]

This is what has happened to our forum with comments like this.

 

Shame really.

 

Agreed. There are some contrary idiots out here. If soemone doesn't think a post has value, then why not just ignore it; most of us don't need posts to be interpreted for us.

 

You had the good grace to post information, and the source.

[Benali Saint]

Ramirez or not.We need new players.

[kpturner]

Have I posted on this thread yet?

[S-Clarke]

We need pace down the wide positions, sharpish. Simple as that. The predicable way we slow down to a halt in the final third is so depressing, it was the same all pre-season. The build up in the midfield and the retention of the ball across the pitch was great. Nice and easy on the eye and very composed. But we just lack the final injection fo quality and pace down either flank to make this formation a success. Without additions of that ilk we might as well go back to 4-4-2 because this will end up being a bloody frustrating watch.

 

So Ramirez + one other, as Ramirez isn't pacey (probably as pacey as Lallana)

[Thedelldays]

We need pace down the wide positions, sharpish. Simple as that. The predicable way we slow down to a halt in the final third is so depressing, it was the same all pre-season. The build up in the midfield and the retention of the ball across the pitch was great. Nice and easy on the eye and very composed. But we just lack the final injection fo quality and pace down either flank to make this formation a success. Without additions of that ilk we might as well go back to 4-4-2 because this will end up being a bloody frustrating watch.

 

So Ramirez + one other, as Ramirez isn't pacey (probably as pacey as Lallana)

I would say at the very least...we need (for example) Phillips + 1x first choice CB...at the very least

[pangy]

With a 433 you really need full backs that can attack/defend to support,so we would potentially need a lb as well

[S-Clarke]

With a 433 you really need full backs that can attack/defend to support,so we would potentially need a lb as well

 

I thought Fox had a good game today. Haven't got a big problem with him at all.

[Avenue Saint]

Watched Swansea today and they were excellent! Could see a lot of similarities between them and us but the obvious addition to their game was pace...

 

We need this and time with new formation. Am very optimistic we will at the very least consolidate our position in league.

 

Tad lee coming back will make significant difference, as would someone pacy like Phillips? And that guile in final third Ramirez would bring.

 

Jrod is a wise investment, couple of seasons with a handful of goals minimum will mean he's worth £10m at least. Lambert won't play every game, here we must play Jrod through middle.

 

All is good, my fellow chaps, be patient and as season develops you will see us succeed.

 

I would not swap Adkins for anyone else out there! Top top manager, who players love playing for.

 

Up the saints!

[thorpie the sinner]

Watched Swansea today and they were excellent! Could see a lot of similarities between them and us but the obvious addition to their game was pace...

 

We need this and time with new formation. Am very optimistic we will at the very least consolidate our position in league.

 

Tad lee coming back will make significant difference, as would someone pacy like Phillips? And that guile in final third Ramirez would bring.

 

Jrod is a wise investment, couple of seasons with a handful of goals minimum will mean he's worth £10m at least. Lambert won't play every game, here we must play Jrod through middle.

 

All is good, my fellow chaps, be patient and as season develops you will see us succeed.

 

I would not swap Adkins for anyone else out there! Top top manager, who players love playing for.

 

Up the saints!

 

Oh ****, you have gone and done it again, sensible post alert on a saturday night!!!! They are banned you know lol

[Wade Garrett]

Watched Swansea today and they were excellent! Could see a lot of similarities between them and us but the obvious addition to their game was pace...

 

We need this and time with new formation. Am very optimistic we will at the very least consolidate our position in league.

 

Tad lee coming back will make significant difference, as would someone pacy like Phillips? And that guile in final third Ramirez would bring.

 

Jrod is a wise investment, couple of seasons with a handful of goals minimum will mean he's worth £10m at least. Lambert won't play every game, here we must play Jrod through middle.

 

All is good, my fellow chaps, be patient and as season develops you will see us succeed.

 

I would not swap Adkins for anyone else out there! Top top manager, who players love playing for.

 

Up the saints!

 

I think you make some good points. I think our season hinges on our transfer dealings next week.

[pangy]

I thought Fox had a good game today. Haven't got a big problem with him at all.

 

He did ok,but he never really looks to overlap and whip it in,plus I am yet to be convinced he is a a PL level

[Wildgoose]

Watched Swansea today and they were excellent! Could see a lot of similarities between them and us but the obvious addition to their game was pace...

 

We need this and time with new formation. Am very optimistic we will at the very least consolidate our position in league.

 

Tad lee coming back will make significant difference, as would someone pacy like Phillips? And that guile in final third Ramirez would bring.

 

Jrod is a wise investment, couple of seasons with a handful of goals minimum will mean he's worth £10m at least. Lambert won't play every game, here we must play Jrod through middle.

 

All is good, my fellow chaps, be patient and as season develops you will see us succeed.

 

I would not swap Adkins for anyone else out there! Top top manager, who players love playing for.

 

Up the saints!

 

Sounds about right to me!

[Bucks Saint]

Watched Swansea today and they were excellent! Could see a lot of similarities between them and us but the obvious addition to their game was pace...

 

We need this and time with new formation. Am very optimistic we will at the very least consolidate our position in league.

 

Tad lee coming back will make significant difference, as would someone pacy like Phillips? And that guile in final third Ramirez would bring.

 

Jrod is a wise investment, couple of seasons with a handful of goals minimum will mean he's worth £10m at least. Lambert won't play every game, here we must play Jrod through middle.

 

All is good, my fellow chaps, be patient and as season develops you will see us succeed.

 

I would not swap Adkins for anyone else out there! Top top manager, who players love playing for.

 

Up the saints!

 

Wise words

[sir woody]

Watched Swansea today and they were excellent! Could see a lot of similarities between them and us but the obvious addition to their game was pace...

 

We need this and time with new formation. Am very optimistic we will at the very least consolidate our position in league.

 

Tad lee coming back will make significant difference, as would someone pacy like Phillips? And that guile in final third Ramirez would bring.

 

Jrod is a wise investment, couple of seasons with a handful of goals minimum will mean he's worth £10m at least. Lambert won't play every game, here we must play Jrod through middle.

 

All is good, my fellow chaps, be patient and as season develops you will see us succeed.

 

I would not swap Adkins for anyone else out there! Top top manager, who players love playing for.

 

Up the saints!

 

At last a sensible, intelligent, forward thinking post, please make this individual post a sticky !

[Turkish]

Watched Swansea today and they were excellent! Could see a lot of similarities between them and us but the obvious addition to their game was pace...

 

We need this and time with new formation. Am very optimistic we will at the very least consolidate our position in league.

 

Tad lee coming back will make significant difference, as would someone pacy like Phillips? And that guile in final third Ramirez would bring.

 

Jrod is a wise investment, couple of seasons with a handful of goals minimum will mean he's worth £10m at least. Lambert won't play every game, here we must play Jrod through middle.

 

All is good, my fellow chaps, be patient and as season develops you will see us succeed.

 

I would not swap Adkins for anyone else out there! Top top manager, who players love playing for.

 

Up the saints!

 

Loads of similarities. They've scored 8 conceded 0 in 2 games and won 2, we've scored 2 and won 0. They've signed a free scoring, highly rated attacking midfielder from a top european league, we haven't. They look class and capable of Tearing teams in the PL apart. Yep, loads of similarities.

[The Kraken]

Loads of similarities. They've scored 8 conceded 0 in 2 games and won 2, we've scored 2 and won 0. They've signed a free scoring, highly rated attacking midfielder from a top european league, we haven't. They look class and capable of Tearing teams in the PL apart. Yep, loads of similarities.

They look thoroughly comfortable playing a 4-3-3 formation they've played for years; we've got players playing out position to accommodate ours.

[Thedelldays]

They look thoroughly comfortable playing a 4-3-3 formation they've played for years; we've got players playing out position to accommodate ours.

with a fit lee and a ramirez and or phillips...I think we could pull that formation off

but playing a centre forward out wide..and guly the other is no way the answer

[Turkish]

with a fit lee and a ramirez and or phillips...I think we could pull that formation off

but playing a centre forward out wide..and guly the other is no way the answer

 

So pulling it off depends on spending £20m on two new players and/on relying on another new player who has never played there and is totally unproven in England, let alone in the PL. sounds promising.

[Roger]

with a fit lee and a ramirez and or phillips...I think we could pull that formation off

but playing a centre forward out wide..and guly the other is no way the answer

 

I don't get this lee thing. He scored one goal didn't look that good and everyone thinks he's amazing. Don't think he's that good personally hope I'm wrong

[Avenue Saint]

So pulling it off depends on spending £20m on two new players and/on relying on another new player who has never played there and is totally unproven in England, let alone in the PL. sounds promising.

 

You are right of course. We should just throw the towel in.