Gaston Ramirez - Signs 4 Year Deal

[SaintNeil90]

Its pathetic the amount of people criticising twitter. The majority of the info we know about this transfer has come from reasonably reliable sources on there. Its better than your average joe on a messageboard. You just cant please some people.

[The9]

When does the Italian window close?

 

7pm on 31st August to be accurate (BST), 4 hours before the English window closes, so at least we won't be hanging about until midnight waiting for him.

[dubai_phil]

Has hé signed yet?

 

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[Bensfcno1]

Whats the chances of Gaston signing on the pitch at 2.30 tomorow? Would add to the atmosphere!

[Hedgehog]

Whats the chances of Gaston signing on the pitch at 2.30 tomorow? Would add to the atmosphere!

 

Not really as most will still be having a drink. A bit like when they hand out player of the season whilst most people are still in the concourse eating and drinking Now make it 30 seconds before kick off and we will all be there!

[LostBoys]

Having done business in Italy over the years (and you only do this if you have to - no bias only experience) it appears that cash strapped Bologna agreed a deal and are now reneging on it as they 'need' more money. All the stuff from the Italian newspapers (would you believe anything they write?) and Twitter is being fed to try and improve their position. Our chairman will be aware of this far more than me. It is possible that Bologna had forgotten the Penarol sell on 30% (surely not but it is not unknown our previous chairmen forgot to ask for them!) and promised their bank the entire proceeds. All in all I think they will sell as they appear to have to but will we walk away in the meantime as the days slip by to next Friday.

[SaintRichmond]

Whatever some people here think of Cortese, it can at least be guaranteed that Saints won't be taken for a mug in this deal....Whatever happens.

 

Still 2CB's and a decent GK light, which I am sure NA expected in by now...... but we won't be taken for mugs, we will remain unique, do all the hard work, and watch as other teams come in at the eleventh hour to Gazzump us

 

We are the only team in the Prem that plays "Straight down the line" (G.Rafferty)..... Nobody else does

 

I'm not saying pay through the nose for any player, but the way we attempt to handle transfers HAS to be brought into question, because, to date, all our High Profile "Big" name purchases have failed to materialise.

[SaintRichmond]

Having done business in Italy over the years (and you only do this if you have to - no bias only experience) it appears that cash strapped Bologna agreed a deal and are now reneging on it as they 'need' more money. All the stuff from the Italian newspapers (would you believe anything they write?) and Twitter is being fed to try and improve their position. Our chairman will be aware of this far more than me. It is possible that Bologna had forgotten the Penarol sell on 30% (surely not but it is not unknown our previous chairmen forgot to ask for them!) and promised their bank the entire proceeds. All in all I think they will sell as they appear to have to but will we walk away in the meantime as the days slip by to next Friday.

 

No need for us to walk. As per Buttner, someone will come in and wrap up a deal in hours, now tha we have done all the donkey work

 

Other teams seem to get over these "impassess" Why can't we ??

[SaintRichmond]

How many times? Us potentially signing Ramirez will not stop us from signing a CB or any other players in positions we would like to strenghten.

 

Really. That's what we have been promised for WEEKS

[Gingeletiss]

I'm not saying pay through the nose for any player, but the way we attempt to handle transfers HAS to be brought into question, because, to date, all our High Profile "Big" name purchases have failed to materialise.

 

Which is how?...enlighten us with your knowledge!

[CB Fry]

Still 2CB's and a decent GK light, which I am sure NA expected in by now...... but we won't be taken for mugs, we will remain unique, do all the hard work, and watch as other teams come in at the eleventh hour to Gazzump us

 

We are the only team in the Prem that plays "Straight down the line" (G.Rafferty)..... Nobody else does

 

I'm not saying pay through the nose for any player, but the way we attempt to handle transfers HAS to be brought into question, because, to date, all our High Profile "Big" name purchases have failed to materialise.

 

 

 

Who has come in at the eleventh hour and gazzumped us? Which club, which player? And don't even think about saying Buttner.

[Gingeletiss]

No need for us to walk. As per Buttner, someone will come in and wrap up a deal in hours, now tha we have done all the donkey work

 

Other teams seem to get over these "impassess" Why can't we ??

 

So you were happy to pay the 'brown bag' part of the deal then! Glad you're not in charge of the finances then, you'd have us back to where we were five years ago.

Edited 25 August, 2012 by Gingeletiss

[Dalek2003]

Still 2CB's and a decent GK light, which I am sure NA expected in by now...... but we won't be taken for mugs, we will remain unique, do all the hard work, and watch as other teams come in at the eleventh hour to Gazzump us

 

We are the only team in the Prem that plays "Straight down the line" (G.Rafferty)..... Nobody else does

 

I'm not saying pay through the nose for any player, but the way we attempt to handle transfers HAS to be brought into question, because, to date, all our High Profile "Big" name purchases have failed to materialise.

 

You are assuming that our uintentions to sign these players were genuine ?

[Cabrone]

I'm not saying pay through the nose for any player, but the way we attempt to handle transfers HAS to be brought into question, because, to date, all our High Profile "Big" name purchases have failed to materialise.

 

I'd say the way the Don is handling this transfer is absolutely bang on and if all football clubs did it like him then maybe a lot of them wouldn't be up a s**t creek without a paddle.

 

A seller offers something at a price they want and the buyer offers to buy at a price they want.

 

Normally both sides have a bit of flexibility and if they are close enough they meet somewhere in the middle.

 

Looks to me like the Don has made his final bid and won't budge so either Bologna agree or both parties walk away.

 

From what I am reading I'd say the Don is in a strong position so he has no need to change his bid.

 

However if a 3rd party comes in Bologna gets the upper hand and he would have to decide whether to renegociate or let it go.

 

Sounds like you would just throw money around without a clue.

[alpine_saint]

No need for us to walk. As per Buttner, someone will come in and wrap up a deal in hours, now tha we have done all the donkey work

 

Other teams seem to get over these "impassess" Why can't we ??

 

I have no problem and am delighted on a moral-level with NC trying to conduct business in a principled manner. However, he really is trying to swim uphill against the flow of the river, unfortunately.

 

The only way his principled approach is going to work in a sea of dodgy dealings and "money talks" morals, is if NA and NC are able to "sell" the club - the facilities, their ambition, their leadership, and make transfer targets desperately want to be on the bus.

 

This appears to the be the problem area and the reason for the "impasses", imo.

[Toadhall Saint]

I have no problem and am delighted on a moral-level with NC trying to conduct business in a principled manner. However, he really is trying to swim uphill against the flow of the river, unfortunately.

 

The only way his principled approach is going to work in a sea of dodgy dealings and "money talks" morals, is if NA and NC are able to "sell" the club - the facilities, their ambition, their leadership, and make transfer targets desperately want to be on the bus.

 

This appears to the be the problem area and the reason for the "impasses", imo.

 

Why then has Ramirez reportedly agreed terms if it's such an impasse?

[Dalek2003]

Why then has Ramirez reportedly agreed terms if it's such an impasse?

 

So everythin is done and dusted, when is he arriving at SMS ?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I wouldn't bother Alpine, just wait until next Friday.

[alpine_saint]

Why then has Ramirez reportedly agreed terms if it's such an impasse?

 

And we've agreed terms with Bologna, have we ?

 

I dont understand how we got to agree terms with the player if the club was never happy.

[alpine_saint]

I wouldn't bother Alpine, just wait until next Friday.

 

I hope we are proven wrong DPS, I really do. But I doubt it. I cannot see one player-per-day coming in now until the window closes. And that is what we need.

 

I am ummmming and ahhing if it is worth returning all the sh*t on here I have got over the past week when the window closes.

[goneawol]

Now being linked with Fiorentina.

 

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/?action=read&id=379248

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Now being linked with Fiorentina.

 

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/?action=read&id=379248

 

On the online translator I used, it says Fiorentina were a "step away" from signing Ramirez last year. Seems to be a habitual problem teams getting close to signing him only for deals to fall through near the end then? No wonder he's annoyed with Bologna, if so, and why we're also potentially having difficulty getting over the finish line.

[hypochondriac]

Probably means business days so that's four.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I hope we are proven wrong DPS, I really do. But I doubt it. I cannot see one player-per-day coming in now until the window closes. And that is what we need.

 

I am ummmming and ahhing if it is worth returning all the sh*t on here I have got over the past week when the window closes.

 

I think we need a minimum of 4, but preferably 5, bit I don't know if Adkins feels the same.

 

GK (maybe), CB, CB, LB, RW.

[hypochondriac]

I think we need a minimum of 4, but preferably 5, bit I don't know if Adkins feels the same.

 

GK (maybe), CB, CB, LB, RW.

 

I think that is excessive. IMO minimum of three (CB, CB, RW) ut four would be ideal.

[Giordano]

That article just says theres been a sounding out by Fiorentina. They wont pay him what we will pay and they need to sell jovetic to man city in any case before they can do anything else- he is clearly one of a number of possible replacements should Jovetic leave. I suppose thats a compliment because it shows that the italian clubs regard Gaston highlly in almost dame terms as a Jovetic...

[Papa Shango]

I think that is excessive. IMO minimum of three (CB, CB, RW) ut four would be ideal.

 

Surely we need a LW more than we need a RW? Lallana has moved to the middle now and Rodriguez is better suited up front. That leaves who exactly? Guly, Puncheon, Chaplow, De Ridder, Cork and Schneiderlin all did well on the right at points last season. Granted a couple of them might not be up to it now, and Cork and Schneiderlin will mostly play through the middle, but we're certainly looking a lot stronger on that flank than we are the opposite. Don't get me wrong I'd welcome a new RW, but the left is more of a priority (I assume that's where we are planning to play Ramirez if he signs).

[Saint Garrett]

Surely we need a LW more than we need a RW? Lallana has moved to the middle now and Rodriguez is better suited up front. That leaves who exactly? Guly, Puncheon, Chaplow, De Ridder, Cork and Schneiderlin all did well on the right at points last season. Granted a couple of them might not be up to it now, and Cork and Schneiderlin will mostly play through the middle, but we're certainly looking a lot stronger on that flank than we are the opposite. Don't get me wrong I'd welcome a new RW, but the left is more of a priority (I assume that's where we are planning to play Ramirez if he signs).

 

Ramirez will play RM or CM if he signs I reckon. Then we have the other positions to fill using our other players. (J-Rod/Lee/Lallana/De Ridder/Chaplow/Guly/Puncheon)

[Webby]

Surely we need a LW more than we need a RW? Lallana has moved to the middle now and Rodriguez is better suited up front. That leaves who exactly? Guly, Puncheon, Chaplow, De Ridder, Cork and Schneiderlin all did well on the right at points last season. Granted a couple of them might not be up to it now, and Cork and Schneiderlin will mostly play through the middle, but we're certainly looking a lot stronger on that flank than we are the opposite. Don't get me wrong I'd welcome a new RW, but the left is more of a priority (I assume that's where we are planning to play Ramirez if he signs).

Tadanari Lee?

[Turkish]

Isnt the whole idea of our new system that it's fluid so rather than players being signed that play in one position we are looking at players that can rotate and interchange. Rodriguez started up front on sunday and then moved out left. I'd expect Ramirez or whoever we sign to be able to play left, right and centre on midfielder or off of a main striker.

 

*wonders how long this post will survive*

[Saint Garrett]

Isnt the whole idea of our new system that it's fluid so rather than players being signed that play in one position we are looking at players that can rotate and interchange. Rodriguez started up front on sunday and then moved out left. I'd expect Ramirez or whoever we sign to be able to play left, right and centre on midfielder or off of a main striker.

 

*wonders how long this post will survive*

 

Dont often agree with you but this is spot on.

[yorkie]

I just hope today we can conentrate on a game rather than worry about this pending transfer.

Personally I have other things to do - and the most important thing today is to get 3-points and not spend hours mass debating what Bologna will do next!

If it happens it will be on our terms.

I'm sure Ramirez is just a pawn in this messy affair - and at the end of the day the only person who knows whether he is coming is the Bologna President. If they need the money there it's just a matter of time before he caves in if they are desperate for money.

I have been lurking all week awaiting news and now I'm bored with it - thankfully there's a game on to take my mind of it!

[Turkish]

Dont often agree with you but this is spot on.

 

I feel honoured.

[Wes Tender]

No need for us to walk. As per Buttner, someone will come in and wrap up a deal in hours, now tha we have done all the donkey work

 

Other teams seem to get over these "impassess" Why can't we ??

 

What donkey work have we done that other buyers wouldn't have to? Will they forego agreeing the fees and selling price with Bologna and his agent? No need for them to sell their club and its facilities to Ramirez? If he wants to play in the Premiership, then that rules out other clubs in Europe. And then these other buyers would have to pay more than us, otherwise the whole charade would look ridiculous for Bologna.

 

Bologna chairman: "Our relationship with them remains a friendly one but both parties has conflicting demands"

 

Do I detect a softening in his position? Only one side has conflicting demands. We have stated our position, what we are prepared to offer. The conflicting demands are all theirs. To me it looks as if Bologna are using the Italian media to whip up a frenzy in a vain attempt to increase the purchase price, by suggesting that other clubs either in England or Italy are interested in bidding. I believe it to be all bluff. Cortese has the whip-hand and remains calm and resolute. We are playing the counter position of suggesting that we have identified other alternative targets should this one not go through, but that is something we need to do anyway. Likewise, Bologna is also in the position that they need to look for a replacement for Ramirez in case he goes. The sands of time are running out, so the pressure on Bologna is intensifying.

 

An ace up our sleeve this season, is that the Premiership is a massive attraction to players from all over the World. There are only 20 teams, so only about 5/600 places available in those squads. Many of the marquee players already fill those places, or have been signed earlier because of competition over them. As the closure of the window approaches, the number of places available in those squads is considerably reduced and other clubs might have already spent their budgets. So the chances of losing him to another Premiership club have been reduced, strengthening our hand further. The lad is still a youngster and a bit of a gamble. OK, he is predicted to do great things, but whereas we are prepared to take that gamble, will others?

[Dig Dig]

Who has come in at the eleventh hour and gazzumped us? Which club, which player? And don't even think about saying Buttner.

 

According to Mr Richmond, Utd signed Buttner in a matter of hours, despite Buttner himself saying Utd made their interest know over a month ago. Idiot.

[Avenue Saint]

According to Mr Richmond, Utd signed Buttner in a matter of hours, despite Buttner himself saying Utd made their interest know over a month ago. Idiot.

 

we have a special set of supporters... Lol

[SaintRichmond]

What donkey work have we done that other buyers wouldn't have to? Will they forego agreeing the fees and selling price with Bologna and his agent? No need for them to sell their club and its facilities to Ramirez? If he wants to play in the Premiership, then that rules out other clubs in Europe. And then these other buyers would have to pay more than us, otherwise the whole charade would look ridiculous for Bologna.

 

 

 

Do I detect a softening in his position? Only one side has conflicting demands. We have stated our position, what we are prepared to offer. The conflicting demands are all theirs. To me it looks as if Bologna are using the Italian media to whip up a frenzy in a vain attempt to increase the purchase price, by suggesting that other clubs either in England or Italy are interested in bidding. I believe it to be all bluff. Cortese has the whip-hand and remains calm and resolute. We are playing the counter position of suggesting that we have identified other alternative targets should this one not go through, but that is something we need to do anyway. Likewise, Bologna is also in the position that they need to look for a replacement for Ramirez in case he goes. The sands of time are running out, so the pressure on Bologna is intensifying.

 

An ace up our sleeve this season, is that the Premiership is a massive attraction to players from all over the World. There are only 20 teams, so only about 5/600 places available in those squads. Many of the marquee players already fill those places, or have been signed earlier because of competition over them. As the closure of the window approaches, the number of places available in those squads is considerably reduced and other clubs might have already spent their budgets. So the chances of losing him to another Premiership club have been reduced, strengthening our hand further. The lad is still a youngster and a bit of a gamble. OK, he is predicted to do great things, but whereas we are prepared to take that gamble, will others?

 

 

But unfortunately, apparently, as we speak, none are attracted to Southampton

[Turkish]

But unfortunately, apparently, as we speak, none are attracted to Southampton

 

I dont know if you've had your head up your arse for the last week but Ramirez is desperate to join us, it's Bologna that are the stumbling block

[CB Fry]

But unfortunately, apparently, as we speak, none are attracted to Southampton

 

 

 

Who has come in at the eleventh hour and gazzumped us? Name the player, name the club. You seem to think it happens all the time so you must have a list. Still waiting.

 

PS - you still can't say Buttner.

[SaintRichmond]

According to Mr Richmond, Utd signed Buttner in a matter of hours, despite Buttner himself saying Utd made their interest know over a month ago. Idiot.

 

The "interest" relayed to Buttner a month ago scupperred our deal with him. (not many would turn down Man U )

 

Then, when they were ready, Man U finalised the deal within hours, hardly giving the Press time to speculate

 

Regards

"Idiot"

 

Good job we both support Saints, otherwise you could get hostile on here

[SaintRichmond]

Who has come in at the eleventh hour and gazzumped us? Name the player, name the club. You seem to think it happens all the time so you must have a list. Still waiting.

 

PS - you still can't say Buttner.

 

 

Why not ???

 

Do you honestly believe Man U did NOT gazzump us ?? Don't you not even consider that they deliberately let him know that they were interested in him, right at the time that we were ready to conclude the deal

 

You must think that all teams are whiter than white, and conduct transfer deals like angels

 

The latest scenario, Bologna letting the whole vwide world know that Ramirez can go to offers higher than ours is another example of the wonderful world of transfers. Plus of course his agent touting him around

 

But I suppose you don't think that sort of thing goes on ?

[Wes Tender]

But unfortunately, apparently, as we speak, none are attracted to Southampton

 

I bow to your superior knowledge on these matters, as Cortese and Adkins ar mates of yours, so you are privvy to information that I wouldn't possess. We might as well close the threads regarding the speculation about other signings too and just ask you for the up to date list of players with whom we are negotiating signing.

 

Oh, no point in that, eh, as there aren't any.

[Dig Dig]

I dont know if you've had your head up your arse for the last week but Ramirez is desperate to join us, it's Bologna that are the stumbling block

 

Ramirez threatening to strike, Phillips handing in a transfer request....they clearly don't want to play for saints

[Saint_lambden]

But unfortunately, apparently, as we speak, none are attracted to Southampton

 

Oh okay Mr Cortese, thanks for the update.

[SaintRichmond]

I dont know if you've had your head up your arse for the last week but Ramirez is desperate to join us, it's Bologna that are the stumbling block

 

Lets see how desperate he is when a better financial package for him comes along

 

If I remember correctky, Buttner was very keen to join us before he heard from Sir Alex

[Dig Dig]

Why not ???

 

Do you honestly believe Man U did NOT gazzump us ?? Don't you not even consider that they deliberately let him know that they were interested in him, right at the time that we were ready to conclude the deal

 

You must think that all teams are whiter than white, and conduct transfer deals like angels

 

The latest scenario, Bologna letting the whole vwide world know that Ramirez can go to offers higher than ours is another example of the wonderful world of transfers. Plus of course his agent touting him around

 

But I suppose you don't think that sort of thing goes on ?

 

The deal was dead long before Utd came in, as ratified by Dutch journo's this week, idiot.

[VectisSaint]

The deal was dead long before Utd came in, as ratified by Dutch journo's this week, idiot.

Sorry but Richmond is right, the deal with us went wrong at the same time Manure first expressed an interest just over a month ago. The timing was reported by Manure just before he signed, and IMHO is far more reliable than a dodgy Dutch journo.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Why not ???

 

Do you honestly believe Man U did NOT gazzump us ?? Don't you not even consider that they deliberately let him know that they were interested in him, right at the time that we were ready to conclude the deal

 

 

Respected Dutch football expert Marcel van der Kraan said in the week that Saints "walked away" from the deal because their "were too many fingers in the pie". Those were his exact words.

 

Either he lied, or you know more about it than him. No offense, but I'm going to go with the man who makes his living out of Dutch football and being right a lot more times than he's wrong.

[Thedelldays]

Respected Dutch football expert Marcel van der Kraan said in the week that Saints "walked away" from the deal because their "were too many fingers in the pie". Those were his exact words.

 

Either he lied, or you know more about it than him. No offense, but I'm going to go with the man who makes his living out of Dutch football and being right a lot more times than he's wrong.

also when asked if Buttner was any good.....his reply was..."uuuuuuummmmmmm"

[CB Fry]

Why not ???

 

Do you honestly believe Man U did NOT gazzump us ?? Don't you not even consider that they deliberately let him know that they were interested in him, right at the time that we were ready to conclude the deal

 

You must think that all teams are whiter than white, and conduct transfer deals like angels

 

The latest scenario, Bologna letting the whole vwide world know that Ramirez can go to offers higher than ours is another example of the wonderful world of transfers. Plus of course his agent touting him around

 

But I suppose you don't think that sort of thing goes on ?

 

 

 

What I suppose, quite rightly, is you are consistently the single most utterly clueless contributor this forum has ever, ever known. Never has one person been so utterly, pathetically wrong in every single post he ever makes. Every single time. Clueless. Even the other wallies I have barneys with I agree with sometimes. But never, ever you. Clueless.

 

Your post here is another classic. Rambling garbage about nothing.

 

Man U did not gazzump us in the eleventh hour. They didn't. Simple.

 

Now. Can you name ANY player from ANY club that we have been gazzumped on recently? Can you?