notnowcato Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 'in this way I will sell him to Southampton' I think the context is he's not going to sell him to Southampton just because the player wants to leave. Doesn't mean he won't come if the deal is right. This is reminding me more and more of the Walcott or Ox transfers, except this time we're stood on the ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Is that a possibility though? I heard that Penarol agreed to €1.5m for their 30% No it is not a possibility. Not a chance the FA would allow us to own 30% of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 This is just more classic positioning from their president; clearly getting disparate. Nailing an agreement with all parties, including the 3rd party ownership, must have been complex - and will be equally so for any other English club. Won't happen quickly. You can bet if any other English club were talking to them their president would be screaming it from the rooftops. Anyone else is going to have to move in fairly promptly. We're in pole position on this - for now. The interesting bit will be what happens if no other club comes in........ Will Don Cortese spend the cash elsewhere to strengthen us next week, so ruling out any chance of us getting him (a player we clearly want, massively)? Will he keep it in his pocket to try and nail a last day discount deal (and risk the squad being weaker than we could be until Jan)? Going to enjoy watching the end game on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 No it is not a possibility. Not a chance the FA would allow us to own 30% of a player. Even if playing in another country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Red Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Nothing new but a summary of recent events, and in English! SimonPeach: Bologna president Albano Guaraldi claims Gaston Ramirez's prospective move to #SaintsFC is at a standstill. Money the problem. SimonPeach: "The conditions haven't been met," Guaraldi said. "We're trying to resolve the situation but the two parties can't agree" #SaintsFC SimonPeach: "He's very angry," Guaraldi said about Ramirez being denied a move to #SaintsFC. "He has told me that he's threatening not to play any more" SimonPeach: It is not over, but Guaraldi & Bologna are digging their heels in. "Ramirez's price? Bologna are looking for 15million euros net." #SaintsFC I'm sure that this question has been asked a number of times already, but 90 pages take a lot of sifting. Who is this Simon Peach guy and how does he know so much about the deal? Is he there as part of the negotiations? Or is he just reporting what the Bologna chairman is saying? Considering he keeps tweeting left right and centre, and therefore seems to have loads of time on his hands, I guess he must be a journalist? (That or he's winding us all up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albie79 Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Even if playing in another country? Yes, there are rules against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Interesting blog http://www.football-italia.net/23795/bologna-ramirez-threatened-us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Could definitely see this being a deadline day move if Bologna don't get a better offer. Fear not, as with our other "targets", Bologna WILL get a better offer, from a Prem Club who know how to do Prem type deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Bologna just stringing things out waiting to see if an Investor comes in at Fratton and there is late interest from Portsea Island. Deadline Day deal for us most likely. Otherwise we move on, and treat the episode as a blessing in that we didnt spunk 15 Mill on another Aquilani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Fear not, as with our other "targets", Bologna WILL get a better offer, from a Prem Club who know how to do Prem type deals Please name these other targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Please name these other targets Buttner, Phillips, Ramirez The "common denominator" ???? We end up losing them to others.......(in the cases of Phillips and Ramirez, wait and see) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 You have always been a ray of sunshine over the years Saint Richmond......you only ever seem to surface when there is a chance to complain about something. Great if this deal happens, but if it does not the sky won't fall in and I'm sure Saints have other irons in the fire. Have you forgotten where we were 2 years ago? Or how we played last Sunday against Man City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Please name these other targets I guess he means Heitinga, Biglia, Kana-Biyik, Phillips, Goodwillie, the other foreign CB, Olsson, etc... All just rumours of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 We will make signings in this window. Of that I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Guess it comes down to whether Bologna will accept our deal which is less than the 15 million they want, or just keep the player and either play him or hope someone else comes in with a higher offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Buttner, Phillips, Ramirez The "common denominator" ???? We end up losing them to others.......(in the cases of Phillips and Ramirez, wait and see) So Buttner is effectively the only example you have. And Vitesse didn't need a better offer, all prices and terms were agreed until this 'third party' stepped in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 I think it still has a good chance going through as Clarke says. We have been in this position before with other players and have ended up getting them after a long drawn out process where it looked like we would get him then it seemed dead. If you think about it we are actually in the driving seat with this one. They have financial problems and by all accounts need to raise cash. We have agreed terms with the agent and player. We have put in our last offer with a take it or leave it condition and it seems they want to use the media to say they won't accept it. Nobody from our side has commented at all on the whole thing. It is all coming from their chairman pretty much. As the time ticks away we will get towards the transfer window closing and they could possibly end up having to keep a player unhappy after their chairman changed the details of the deal. Little interest from other clubs wanting to match the valuation. So they could potentially be going 4 months with no money and a ****ed of player putting in **** performances which lowers his value. I can imagine this week we will be linked to other players which will put even further pressure on their chairman. Because in all honesty if we have £13m to spend on an midfielder there are a lot of other quality ones out there for that amount. Anything can happen in the next week but I got a feeling this is not the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Fear not, as with our other "targets", Bologna WILL get a better offer, from a Prem Club who know how to do Prem type deals Valuable contribution to the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 When/if this transfer comes off one thing it shows that is SFC is in the best shape it has been in for years. if it does not come to fruition,so be it.when was the last time we were so close as signing someone of this calibre. Attempting to pursuade someone of his ilk,and it appears we did pursuade him to join,shows our ambition and transfer policy is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Ive read the original interview in italian and the google translated version is, typically, misleading.it still looks like a deal nearly there to me. The bottom line is that the President has promised gaston he can go and that he also says that Talks are NOT over. In other words its just another part of the haggling. He wants more money simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 I think he is waiting for us to reach 100 pages on this thread before he signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Does anyone know if those interviews with their president was on radio or was it only in writing? If it´s only in writing I think definitely it´s just part of the game that is being played at the moment. If the deal was off there would be no problem for him to make a radio interview or even in front of a camera and you have seen no photos or video at all with him. My conclusion is that it´s still a game being played. For another view on it. Could the game tomorrow make any difference in the way we continue on this deal? If we have a poor offensive performance, are we more likely to put up more money on the table?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 I think he is waiting for us to reach 100 pages on this thread before he signs. I heard on twitter that he's waiting until the thread reaches 5000 posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Buttner, Phillips, Ramirez The "common denominator" ???? We end up losing them to others.......(in the cases of Phillips and Ramirez, wait and see) In all fairness, we haven't lost Ramirez and Phillips to others and Buttner's agent made our interest public in order to secure him a move to Man Utd who he knew were interested. I think there's more hope for the other two because we seem to be doing a lot more chasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 I heard on twitter that he's waiting until the thread reaches 5000 posts I think he's waiting until this thread has more posts than the PTS thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 (edited) I think it still has a good chance going through as Clarke says. We have been in this position before with other players and have ended up getting them after a long drawn out process where it looked like we would get him then it seemed dead. If you think about it we are actually in the driving seat with this one. They have financial problems and by all accounts need to raise cash. We have agreed terms with the agent and player. We have put in our last offer with a take it or leave it condition and it seems they want to use the media to say they won't accept it. Nobody from our side has commented at all on the whole thing. It is all coming from their chairman pretty much. As the time ticks away we will get towards the transfer window closing and they could possibly end up having to keep a player unhappy after their chairman changed the details of the deal. Little interest from other clubs wanting to match the valuation. So they could potentially be going 4 months with no money and a ****ed of player putting in **** performances which lowers his value. I can imagine this week we will be linked to other players which will put even further pressure on their chairman. Because in all honesty if we have £13m to spend on an midfielder there are a lot of other quality ones out there for that amount. Anything can happen in the next week but I got a feeling this is not the end of it. Absolutely this. We can walk away and Bologna, who clearly need the money and have a fu ck ed off player on their hands, will be in a far weaker position. Laughable all these posters desperate for Saints to pointlessly pi ss money away. This aint a computer game you freaks. Edited 24 August, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 This transfer could take longer than it takes to lose seven Tour de France races! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 As far as Bologna are concerned Saints have been used to try to bring in other offers from across Europe and England. We supporters are playing right into his hands by giving them a mightly long thread to show how much Saints are prepared to grovel at his terms. In reality this is not the case, just the Bologna is being provided with all the a ammunition by us on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 As far as Bologna are concerned Saints have been used to try to bring in other offers from across Europe and England. We supporters are playing right into his hands by giving them a mightly long thread to show how much Saints are prepared to grovel at his terms. In reality this is not the case, just the Bologna is being provided with all the a ammunition by us on here. "In reality" this thread is a total irrelevence and is not, repeat not, being used to "show how much Saints are prepared to grovel". This is a fans forum. None of us are negotiating this transfer. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 No it is not a possibility. Not a chance the FA would allow us to own 30% of a player. Are you sure? Why not? surely we could own 30% of a player as a company! The FA would not let us own 30% of a player who played for us! The two are very different as we woud plan to own 100% of him before he played. This could actually be a very astute move if possible and true as it would allow us to dicate any price Bologna get as no one will pay them the full amount without agreement with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynoldson!! Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 What an amazing transfer saga! At the end of the day I am not too worried, as to be quite honest 10 days ago I had no idea who Gaston Ramirez was. If we don't sign him I will look at it as us being a lot more ambitious than I thought this early, and if we do sign him I will be astonished. Either way I am very happy with the direction the club seems to be pushing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1141613/gaston-ramirez-to-southampton-transfer-hits-hold-up?campaign=rss&source=soccernet&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&cc=5739 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Are you sure? Why not? surely we could own 30% of a player as a company! The FA would not let us own 30% of a player who played for us! The two are very different as we woud plan to own 100% of him before he played. This could actually be a very astute move if possible and true as it would allow us to dicate any price Bologna get as no one will pay them the full amount without agreement with us. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 "The negotiations with Southampton are at a standstill because they haven't given us the financial guarantees we asked for and so we've put things on hold,'' Guaraldi told Sky Sport 24 reporters. "Our relationship with them remains a friendly one but both parties has conflicting demands. Last year Ramirez was getting a bit restless and I promised that this year he would be sold, at a certain price. "This year no such offer has arrived, the conditions have not been met. We carried on with negotiations regardless but we couldn't reach an agreement. At the moment we're trying to resolve the situation, but the two parties can't agree so the discomfort and nervousness is understandable.'' A much, much clearer translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1141613/gaston-ramirez-to-southampton-transfer-hits-hold-up?campaign=rss&source=soccernet&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&cc=5739 Perhaps the best translation of the situation from a news-site so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Absolutely this. We can walk away and Bologna, who clearly need the money and have a fu ck ed off player on their hands, will be in a far weaker position. Laughable all these posters desperate for Saints to pointlessly pi ss money away. This aint a computer game you freaks. Penarol may not be too happy either if we walk away, especially if Bologna chairman has effectively talked down Gaston's value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1141613/gaston-ramirez-to-southampton-transfer-hits-hold-up?campaign=rss&source=soccernet&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&cc=5739 All sounds reasonable. Bologna absolutely desperate for someone else to come in, but in their desperation you can see that no one will. That is why we lead the chase, after all. We're all over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 As far as Bologna are concerned Saints have been used to try to bring in other offers from across Europe and England. We supporters are playing right into his hands by giving them a mightly long thread to show how much Saints are prepared to grovel at his terms. In reality this is not the case, just the Bologna is being provided with all the a ammunition by us on here. What do you propose? We all curse him and the thought of him signing? That would help the transfer along no end no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 All sounds reasonable. Bologna absolutely desperate for someone else to come in, but in their desperation you can see that no one will. That is why we lead the chase, after all. We're all over this. The other thing massively in our favour here is that time is running out for Bologna to find a decent quality replacement for Ramirez, to do that they need cash, and at the moment there's only one place they're going to get cash from. Still very much a case of who blinks first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Why don't we do what all fair business people do and meet in the middle and we give them €13.75Million and we throw in Puncheon for good measure. Fair deal IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Come on Nicola you can do it. I'll bet my ******** to a barndance that we get almost there and some ******* comes in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lydlinch saints Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 better off spending money on gk and cb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Whatever some people here think of Cortese, it can at least be guaranteed that Saints won't be taken for a mug in this deal....Whatever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 better off spending money on gk and cb Yes I am with you on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 This all remind me of the Cemetery scene in the Good the Bad and the Ugly. I think there's a bit of Latin style face saving going on as well. And this thread will have the same outcome i expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Why don't we do what all fair business people do and meet in the middle and we give them €13.75Million and we throw in Puncheon for good measure. Fair deal IMO. Thank ******* you are not negotiating for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 The other thing massively in our favour here is that time is running out for Bologna to find a decent quality replacement for Ramirez, to do that they need cash, and at the moment there's only one place they're going to get cash from. Still very much a case of who blinks first When does the Italian window close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 When does the Italian window close? 31st August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 better off spending money on gk and cb How many times? Us potentially signing Ramirez will not stop us from signing a CB or any other players in positions we would like to strenghten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 I've been out of the house for around 4 hours and this thread has advanced more than 4 pages (!) .........and nearly half of that has been by ....This Charming Man. Is this a record ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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