hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Explain why it would be so easy for a another club to agree price, terms of payment, resolve third party arrangement, agent fee's, player contract, image rights etc etc within a week despite being around 2 weeks behind us? Are you suggesting that it is not possible to agree a transfer in a week? That it takes a minimum of two weeks to do so?
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Quite simple. All they have to do is agree to Bologna's terms (or just get closer to their demands than we have) and the deal could be done pretty quickly. They don't have to go through two week's worth of arguing/negotiating/faffing about*. * Delete as appropriate Exactly.
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Quite simple. All they have to do is agree to Bologna's terms (or just get closer to their demands than we have) and the deal could be done pretty quickly. They don't have to go through two week's worth of arguing/negotiating/faffing about*. * Delete as appropriate Offering him a contract as attractive as ours? His agent will know what we've offered, and what we guarantee him in terms of first team football. I really don't think it's as easy as some are suggesting, this isn't a straight forward deal what with the third party complications - and the fact that he's already agreed terms with us. That in it's self is enough to scare clubs off.
Avenue Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 (edited) DL_corriere: rumors: #tottenham could be back on the race for #bolognafc star gaston #ramirez Bologna getting desperate? Leaking news out that spurs back in? Iol of course spurs are back in.... Edited 24 August, 2012 by Avenue Saint
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Can't see spurs offering more than us though, what we've offered seems the going rate for him in reality. Levy is a pretty hard negotiator himself, so I can't see him letting them walk all over Spurs with their demands. Probably why the move there didn't materialize in the first place. The going rat is what someone is prepared to pay. As I said, we are favourites but I don't think it's right for people to write off a rival club on the basis that they wouldn't have time to do a deal.
egg Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Quite simple. All they have to do is agree to Bologna's terms (or just get closer to their demands than we have) and the deal could be done pretty quickly. They don't have to go through two week's worth of arguing/negotiating/faffing about*. * Delete as appropriate This. People overlook that we could have been faffing about and penny pinching and that's been then problem. Not saying that's the case but it can't be ruled out.
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Are you suggesting that it is not possible to agree a transfer in a week? That it takes a minimum of two weeks to do so? No and you know that's not what I'm saying although not many transfers are quick and easy. Regarding this specific deal, there are multiple complexities for any club to work through, therefore unlikely that a club can turn this around within a couple of days unless their approach is just to chuck lots of cash at it.
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 People are also forgetting that the Spurs deal already fell through, they've obviously made their terms clear.
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 The going rat is what someone is prepared to pay. As I said, we are favourites but I don't think it's right for people to write off a rival club on the basis that they wouldn't have time to do a deal. No one is writting it off, saying that it's unlikely and we are still in the strongest position.
Barry the Badger Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 This. People overlook that we could have been faffing about and penny pinching and that's been then problem. Not saying that's the case but it can't be ruled out. You say penny pinching, I say not spunking all our money away on one player.
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 No one is writting it off, saying that it's unlikely and we are still in the strongest position. I agree we are in the strongest position. What I dispute is that someone could not easily come in next week and get a deal sorted if they wanted to.
itchen_dan Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Move imminent? @benitez_leo: ATENCIÒN: Gastòn Ramìrez no esta en la convocatoria del Bologna que visitarà al Chievo el domingo, se viene la venta esperada? @ Benitez_leo: Attention: Gaston Ramirez is not in the call to Bologna to visit Chievo on Sunday, it is expected the sale?
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Move imminent? @benitez_leo: ATENCIÒN: Gastòn Ramìrez no esta en la convocatoria del Bologna que visitarà al Chievo el domingo, se viene la venta esperada? @ Benitez_leo: Attention: Gaston Ramirez is not in the call to Bologna to visit Chievo on Sunday, it is expected the sale? Cool.
opthomps Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 It's a matter of taste. I think Katarina Johnson-Thompson is quite good looking. How about you dune? Agree on both counts fella. Being female and not overweight isn't enough to warrant being regarded as a sort.
egg Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Offering him a contract as attractive as ours? His agent will know what we've offered, and what we guarantee him in terms of first team football. I really don't think it's as easy as some are suggesting, this isn't a straight forward deal what with the third party complications - and the fact that he's already agreed terms with us. That in it's self is enough to scare clubs off. This assumption is one that most have made. Is it really that complicated or have we made it such? If the total price is 15 mil and Penarol get 30 % it sounds simple to me. We are a Premier League team and if we want to play with the big boys we have to pay big boy money and play by the big boy rules. Our refusal to play by the rules in the Buttner deal killed that one. Man Utd got their man without any published issues. I'd guess they paid what we weren't prepared to pay. The same could happen with this boy, and potentially others.
krissyboy31 Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 God, I'm glad the financial purse strings are being held by Nicola Cortese and not in the hands of some of the posters on here.
St_Tel49 Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Are you suggesting that it is not possible to agree a transfer in a week? That it takes a minimum of two weeks to do so? Anything is POSSIBLE. The real question is - is it PROBABLE?
Highfield Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 The bit that is wrong is you saying we can't prove we can pay in instalments. It's not us that is skint. And we'd be effing mental to pay it all up front. Mental. So we won't. I dont really understand the speculation on guarantees. Would this not be a "football creditor" and as such underwritten?
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 I agree we are in the strongest position. What I dispute is that someone could not easily come in next week and get a deal sorted if they wanted to. This is what I dispute....name some high profile transfers which have happened so far this window which could have been described as "easy". Of course it's always a possibility until a player signs but ultimately, I don't think it's worth worrying about. The player wants to come here, his agent wants him to come here and we clearly want him. Resorting to paying over the odds for a player or paying within a structure which isn't considered the norm would only come from a club desperate for the player and as we're the only ones in at this stage, doesn't seem like anyone else is that desperate for him.
View From The Top Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 People are also forgetting that the Spurs deal already fell through, they've obviously made their terms clear. As I said, perhaps they are hoping that Spurs come back in if/when LM goes or that we blink 1st. With NC's background in Swiss banking we can safely assume he's as hard as nails in driving a bargain.
Torres Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 I dont really understand the speculation on guarantees. Would this not be a "football creditor" and as such underwritten? The FCR doesn't apply to clubs outside the FA jurisdiction, as a few foreign clubs who had the misfortune of dealing with our fishy neighbours found out to their cost.
BARCELONASAINT Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 This assumption is one that most have made. Is it really that complicated or have we made it such? If the total price is 15 mil and Penarol get 30 % it sounds simple to me. We are a Premier League team and if we want to play with the big boys we have to pay big boy money and play by the big boy rules. Our refusal to play by the rules in the Buttner deal killed that one. Man Utd got their man without any published issues. I'd guess they paid what we weren't prepared to pay. The same could happen with this boy, and potentially others. And i for one will be happy with this scenario. Do we really want to be the next Pompey or spend spend spend like WestHam.......Cortese is a shrewd business man and is attempting to do the best bit of business for Southampton. Thats all i want a sensible approach by the club thatwill not bankrupt us!
fanimal Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 That looks like a picture of me with my daughter FGS. Cap covering balding hair, moobs starting to form and holding beer gut in.
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 This thread has just taken a very seedy twist. I bet this girl would never of thought random pictures of her would end up on an obscure football forum!
egg Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 And i for one will be happy with this scenario. Do we really want to be the next Pompey or spend spend spend like WestHam.......Cortese is a shrewd business man and is attempting to do the best bit of business for Southampton. Thats all i want a sensible approach by the club thatwill not bankrupt us! I agree that it's a real relief that we are (on the face of it) being shrewdly run. The problem is that football is a unique business. The players expectations, those of their agents, and other clubs are often ridiculous. If we want to compete for players we have to accept, rightly or wrongly, that things are done a certain way in football.
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 I agree that it's a real relief that we are (on the face of it) being shrewdly run. The problem is that football is a unique business. The players expectations, those of their agents, and other clubs are often ridiculous. If we want to compete for players we have to accept, rightly or wrongly, that things are done a certain way in football.[/QUOTE] Yes, and what Bologna want us to do is not the the way in which most clubs would do business. It's driven by their terrible financial state of affairs.
Avenue Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 God, I'm glad the financial purse strings are being held by Nicola Cortese and not in the hands of some of the posters on here. Never a truer thing said.
Leicestersaint Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 I think we can forget about Mr Ramirez now - hopefulyl we can get a decent CB and a replacement LB as well as some pace into the side before next Friday.
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 I think we can forget about Mr Ramirez now - hopefulyl we can get a decent CB and a replacement LB as well as some pace into the side before next Friday. What's that based on exactly?
Cabrone Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 If Bologna are holding back because they want all the cash up front then the Don is playing this one correctly. Bologna have every right to accept what they want and we have every right to offer what we want. The two sides haven't met so a deal hasn't been done but NC is bang on to only offer what he feels is a correct price and payment timescale. If it happens then great, if not then move on.
maysie Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 See he's been left out of the Bologna squad this weekend. Whatever the outcome I'd be highly surprised if he is still at Bologna come the end of next week.
madruss Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Just when you think this ridiculous thread can't get any more preposterous... along comes twittergirlstalkathon to take it to the next level! A truly golden thread
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 See he's been left out of the Bologna squad this weekend. Whatever the outcome I'd be highly surprised if he is still at Bologna come the end of next week. Agree
wireframebox Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 That poor girl, she didn't know what she was letting herself into once she posted about Ramierz on twitter. What have I started!?...
CB Fry Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Yes, and what Bologna want us to do is not the the way in which most clubs would do business. It's driven by their terrible financial state of affairs. Quite. Unbelievable people on this forum think we should just cave in to the demands of a clearly skint and desperate club who are up shi t creek. Thank god the people on this forum aren't negotiating. Pathetic and gutless.
wireframebox Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 See he's been left out of the Bologna squad this weekend. Whatever the outcome I'd be highly surprised if he is still at Bologna come the end of next week. I thought he was carrying an injury? He withdrew from the Uruguay friendly recently?
VectisSaint Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 This is what I dispute....name some high profile transfers which have happened so far this window which could have been described as "easy". Buttner to Manure?
Saint_lambden Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 I thought he was carrying an injury? He withdrew from the Uruguay friendly recently? Ah. The mystery 'injury' to get out of international games/complete a transfer - quite common them.
Avenue Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Quite. Unbelievable people on this forum think we should just cave in to the demands of a clearly skint and desperate club who are up shi t creek. Thank god the people on this forum aren't negotiating. Pathetic and gutless. Cb, on this occasion, I'll echo those sentiments.
Webby Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 It'd be funny* if bologna come back next week and say ok, we accept your offer, please take him and we say no, naff off. *as long as we have a CB or two.
wireframebox Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Buttner to Manure? When you're 100's of millions in debt, what's an extra million to someones Dad?...
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Quite. Unbelievable people on this forum think we should just cave in to the demands of a clearly skint and desperate club who are up shi t creek. Thank god the people on this forum aren't negotiating. Pathetic and gutless. It's the football manager mentality combined with ignorance and impatience. A regular feature of here during every single transfer window. Our armchair experts always know best.
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Buttner to Manure? High profile? Maybe for us but small fry for Man Utd.
egg Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Quite. Unbelievable people on this forum think we should just cave in to the demands of a clearly skint and desperate club who are up shi t creek. Thank god the people on this forum aren't negotiating. Pathetic and gutless. So how do you know that they're plight has not been factored in ? Cortese has bound to have done so. What he can't factor in is another suitor coming in and snatching the boy. If you have exclusivity in a deal you can hardball. You don't have that in football so have to get the balance between and brinkmanship and faffing about.
Ohio Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Bloody hell! Last thing I expected to see in this thread was a photo of me and the missus!
Cheese on Toast Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 It's a matter of taste. I think Katarina Johnson-Thompson is quite good looking. How about you dune? Je suis d'accord
The Cat Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Looks like she's a God botherer. Therefore surely she'd love nothing more than a day at St Mary's singing "Oh When the Saints". Although as a day tripper she might not get much of a welcome from TCM.
This Charming Man Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 Looks like she's a God botherer. Therefore surely she'd love nothing more than a day at St Mary's singing "Oh When the Saints". Although as a day tripper she might not get much of a welcome from TCM. I am willing to make the odd exception, she would be eligible for admission.
The Cat Posted 24 August, 2012 Posted 24 August, 2012 I am willing to make the odd exception, she would be eligible for admission. You'll make the exception as long as she allows you admission eh?
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