sussexsaint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 The saints bus has just tweeted its on a secret mission and has its gas on Doesn't tweet much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 I am confused over the whole guarantee business. If the Bank Bologna are getting their loan from require us to supply a guarantee for the final instalments of this deal, would that make us liable for that loan if Bologna 'do a pompey'? I would imagine if that is the case then there is absolutely no way NC will agree, and nor should he. I asked this yesterday morning (probably about 20 pages ago) and didnt get a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Originally Posted by merrimd I am confused over the whole guarantee business. If the Bank Bologna are getting their loan from require us to supply a guarantee for the final instalments of this deal, would that make us liable for that loan if Bologna 'do a pompey'? I would imagine if that is the case then there is absolutely no way NC will agree, and nor should he. I asked this yesterday morning (probably about 20 pages ago) and didnt get a response. I don't think so. If you took out a loan based on your earnings and then defaulted, you wouldn't expect your boss to be liable for it would you? Effectively, we are just guaranteeing their earnings, not the loan itself. If Bologna have money problems, they'll need to let Ramirez go before the end of the window. I think they are just hanging on to see if anyone else wil come in for him and if they can get an auction going. All the other talk is just a delaying tactic. As Friday gets closer, they may even come back to us and push for the deal to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 We're bound by law to pay our bills - the only way you get out of that is bankruptcy. Sorry Bearsy you are wrong, there is also the Pompey way - ignore them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Originally Posted by merrimd I am confused over the whole guarantee business. If the Bank Bologna are getting their loan from require us to supply a guarantee for the final instalments of this deal, would that make us liable for that loan if Bologna 'do a pompey'? I would imagine if that is the case then there is absolutely no way NC will agree, and nor should he. I don't think so. If you took out a loan based on your earnings and then defaulted, you wouldn't expect your boss to be liable for it would you? Effectively, we are just guaranteeing their earnings, not the loan itself. If Bologna have money problems, they'll need to let Ramirez go before the end of the window. I think they are just hanging on to see if anyone else wil come in for him and if they can get an auction going. All the other talk is just a delaying tactic. As Friday gets closer, they may even come back to us and push for the deal to be done. It depends if we are being asked to provide proof of income (that we will pay the installments - which in it self will be the contract betweent he clubs) or act as guarantor. If it's the latter then we will be liable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 The bit that is wrong is you saying we can't prove we can pay in instalments. It's not us that is skint. And we'd be effing mental to pay it all up front. Mental. So we won't. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Apologies, poor choice of words. We can't give the guarantees that are required. The bottom line is that if we can't /wont pay in full then bologna need a loan. Our "proof" of ability to pay is seemingly not good enough as it doesn't prove that we will pay and does not give security. None of this is our problem. Bologna are clearly skint - this puts us in a strong position. The absolute last thing we need to do is give them all the money. We're playing it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 None of this is our problem. Bologna are clearly skint - this puts us in a strong position. The absolute last thing we need to do is give them all the money. We're playing it right. ...Is exactly right. People who say that all you do is slate the club completely ignore posts like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 None of this is our problem. Bologna are clearly skint - this puts us in a strong position. The absolute last thing we need to do is give them all the money. We're playing it right. Is it though? It is our problem if they won't deal unless we put cash on the table. Save for the obvious impact on cashflow, what is wrong with paying the full fee? If we haven't got the cash that's our problem. If we had it that puts us in the strongest possible position. I find the whole concept of the selling club needing to take out a loan to sell an asset more than a little strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 ...Is exactly right. People who say that all you do is slate the club completely ignore posts like these. You've changed your tune......earlier in this thread you were saying there is nothing to negotiate as we just need to pay Bologna what they want. But I guess CB Fry hadn't offered his opinion at the time so you couldn't have possbily know what to think all by yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 (edited) You've changed your tune......earlier in this thread you were saying there is nothing to negotiate as we just need to pay Bologna what they want. But I guess CB Fry hadn't offered his opinion at the time so you couldn't have possbily know what to think all by yourself. Please post where I said we should pay all the money up front? I said either we agree with the valuation and pay it or we don't. That is still the case, it's simply a case of when this money is paid that is the sticking point. Paying all of it upfront would be silly. Edited 24 August, 2012 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 You've changed your tune......earlier in this thread you were saying there is nothing to negotiate as we just need to pay Bologna what they want. But I guess CB Fry hadn't offered his opinion at the time so you couldn't have possbily know what to think all by yourself. Bless ya Dig Dig. Hypo doesn't have a strong opinion that isn't designed to wind someone else up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Bless ya Dig Dig. Hypo doesn't have a strong opinion that isn't designed to wind someone else up The only time you ever started replying to any of my posts were when I objected to you using violence against your children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Please post where I said we should pay all the money up front? I said either we agree with the valuation and pay it or we don't. That is still the case, it's simply a case of when this money is paid that is the sticking point. Paying all of it upfront would be silly. Why silly to pay all upfront, especially if that secures the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Why silly to pay all upfront, especially if that secures the deal? That would normally be worth a premium, maybe a reduction in price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Why silly to pay all upfront, especially if that secures the deal? Because we have probably budgeted to spend so much this summer, and this would probably throw this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 lol!! The faces are the BEST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 2 wrongs dont make a right!! Boom boom We are buying Jermaine Wright instead? This calls for a whole new thread I think!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 That would normally be worth a premium, maybe a reduction in price. Quite. If we had the ability to do that we could and should be able to secure a decent deal. Instead the sellers need a loan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 The only time you ever started replying to any of my posts were when I objected to you using violence against your children. Yeah alright, mate. So erm what about last year's meltdown because someone closed the big HCDAJFU thread? Or all the times we've agreed on the euro? Or when you've been chastised for bullying teenagers. That last point alone puts your moral high ground on spanking well underground. Still, gotta have something to do in your bedsit, eh mush? x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 If anyone else bar Citeh or Utd or PSG come in for Rairez they'd pay in installments as well, Bologna know this, we've done all we can , ball's in their court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Why silly to pay all upfront, especially if that secures the deal? because....there is a budget for transfers - even if Cortese is controlling it - and we still have to buy " one or two CB's - Nigel Adkins' comment " . They won't necessarily come FREE, plus we have to pay salaries to them after they've signed. A player getting £20K /week (not a large wage in the Prem.) will earn £1 million a year ..if 40K /week = £2 million. etc.... If the reported fee for Ramirez is £12 million, and the reported salary - did I hear 80K /week?...then by the end of a 4 year contract ......he will have cost Saints, around £28 million !....and he's only ONE player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 because....there is a budget for transfers - even if Cortese is controlling it - and we still have to buy " one or two CB's - Nigel Adkins' comment " . They won't necessarily come FREE, plus we have to pay salaries to them after they've signed. A player getting £20K /week (not a large wage in the Prem.) will earn £1 million a year ..if 40K /week = £2 million. etc.... If the reported fee for Ramirez is £12 million, and the reported salary - did I hear 80K /week?...then by the end of a 4 year contract ......he will have cost Saints, around £28 million !....and he's only ONE player. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 €80k/week......LOL!!!!!!! No. It worked out about €38k net, so if all liabilities are the same as everyone else (which im sure they're not given the fact there are ways of getting around tax issues) he'd be on less than €60k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 If anyone else bar Citeh or Utd or PSG come in for Rairez they'd pay in installments as well, Bologna know this, we've done all we can , ball's in their court Doubt any of those 3 would pay up front either TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 I appreciate the cash flow point but none of us know what our income or budget is. My point, simply, is this seems to be a put up or shut up deal. If we want the player and cashflow/budget allows us to then we get the job done. The statement from others that it would be silly to pay the full fee (as a matter of principle) is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 €80k/week......LOL!!!!!!! No. It worked out about €38k net, so if all liabilities are the same as everyone else (which im sure they're not given the fact there are ways of getting around tax issues) he'd be on less than €60k. Probably right but the point is still valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 The award for the worlds most random Twitter sighting goes to... Gaston Ramirez ((Uruguay olympic soccer player) was sitting near me today at my hair salon in The Woodlands. @iGastonRamirez #SmallWorld Why on earth would he be in College Station, Texas, USA?! http://www.woodlandsofcollegestation.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 The award for the worlds most random Twitter sighting goes to... Why on earth would he be in College Station, Texas, USA?! http://www.woodlandsofcollegestation.com/ haha i saw that. random to say the least:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 The award for the worlds most random Twitter sighting goes to... Why on earth would he be in College Station, Texas, USA?! http://www.woodlandsofcollegestation.com/ On a more important note, she is fit and would definitely get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Nothing less than this informations could have tempted me to follow that link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Nothing less than this informations could have tempted me to follow that link! Might start following her on Twitter and Instagram. Can't beat a bit of on-line pesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 On a more important note, she is fit and would definitely get it. The lucky girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 tancredipalmeri: Gaston Ramirez threatens Bologna not to train anymore if they won't release him to Southampton. Deal in stand-by, Tottenham might get in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Awesome the tides have turned the ball is in our court now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 tancredipalmeri: Gaston Ramirez threatens Bologna not to train anymore if they won't release him to Southampton. Deal in stand-by, Tottenham might get in Spurs have left this too late, in fact any club have left it too late really. They've got a lot of catching up to do in around a week, and they'll have to offer him more than we have - which going by their first offer, they weren't able to do. It's all boiling down to a final day switch. Bolonga are playing this to their advantage, but the gamble could leave them skint with an unhappy player who doesn't want to play for them (And then his value will most likely drop). No brainer. Wake up bolonga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 tancredipalmeri: Gaston Ramirez threatens Bologna not to train anymore if they won't release him to Southampton. Deal in stand-by, Tottenham might get in We'll get him. Spurs don't even want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 On a more important note, she is fit and would definitely get it. Don't agree, average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Does sound more hopeful for us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 We'll get him. Spurs don't even want him. Plus he does not want Spurs. One of the reasons he stated he wanted to come to us was that we have basically promised him he would play every week and we will build a team around him. He would not get that at Spuds even if they offered the same wages. I am beginning to believe he will come to us, but it will be the end of next week before he signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 24 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 August, 2012 We'll get him. Spurs don't even want him. Would be great signing but his actions don't really do him any favours imo, we don't want a player with a bad attitude, striking suggests exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Might start following her on Twitter and Instagram. Can't beat a bit of on-line pesting. Living up to your name...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Living up to your name...? My name is ironic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Plus he does not want Spurs. One of the reasons he stated he wanted to come to us was that we have basically promised him he would play every week and we will build a team around him. He would not get that at Spuds even if they offered the same wages. I am beginning to believe he will come to us, but it will be the end of next week before he signs. I think he said that before he was linked with us as well. He didn't want to be ''another'' player, he wants to be a ''leader'' in the team. Although if Spurs sell RdV then there is a first team opening for him, but time is running out for them. We've already done the hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Going to run on for a while then probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Going to run on for a while then probably. Well, it can't run for much longer. There's only a week left for this to run. Lots and lots will happen next week IMO. Quite exciting I guess, I always like deadline business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 I appreciate the cash flow point but none of us know what our income or budget is. My point, simply, is this seems to be a put up or shut up deal. If we want the player and cashflow/budget allows us to then we get the job done. The statement from others that it would be silly to pay the full fee (as a matter of principle) is silly. We have remained "shut up" throughout. Paying a skint club all the money up front is bonkers. No club would do it, except maybe QPR who are equally mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 Well, it can't run for much longer. There's only a week left for this to run. Lots and lots will happen next week IMO. Quite exciting I guess, I always like deadline business. Yeah but what I mean is it won't be finishing today most likely. Will probably happen end of next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 24 August, 2012 Share Posted 24 August, 2012 My name is erotic... Yes, very much. Go get her! And bring Gaston back once he's had his trim... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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