Frank's cousin Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Now this is where I am getting confused. Initially I thought it was a dual ownership situation, Bologna owned 70%, Penarol 30% I thought that Saints had agreed a fee with Bologna to buy their share and another fee with Penarol to buy theirs (was it €1.5m??) Now it seems, according to the Italian press, that the 30% is actually a sell on clause and Bologna are unhappy with the €15M bid because they are going to lose a %age to agents and 30% to Penarol. And this is causing Bologna problems..... According to the English press the problem is because Saints won't provide a guarantee on the 2nd part of the 2 part payment (€5m??) that Bologna need to be able to get a loan to get themselves out of their financial ****e!! It's all so ****ing confusing... Thats because its all speculation.... no one really knows teh ins and outs of the negotiations apart form those taking part - what is 'released' will half truths designed to play the other side.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Bologna have released some info to the Italian press that Napoli and Inter are interested (note no English clubs) in response to the agent (probably with our approval) saying the deal was dead and no other clubs where interested. It is all game playing and posturing. It is like trying to hook up with a girl as a teenager again. No one is getting f!ngered until my mate has spoken to your mate 57 times and we have both declared how uninterested we are in each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Bologna have released some info to the Italian press that Napoli and Inter are interested (note no English clubs) in response to the agent (probably with our approval) saying the deal was dead and no other clubs where interested. It is all game playing and posturing. It is like trying to hook up with a girl as a teenager again. No one is getting f!ngered until my mate has spoken to your mate 57 times and we have both declared how uninterested we are in each other. I'm getting a sense of deja vu here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 I know nothing with regard to the world of high finance but I do not believe this deal will fall through simply because Bolongna cant square there loan with the Italian Banks unless they have guarantees from saints. Why dont SFC pay them the whole amount by taking out there own loan from a UK bank and repay the UK bank at the same rate as they would be paying to Bologna or is that too simple. As I say I know nothing about finance but it does not seem very sensible to loose this deal over such a minor detail as method of payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 15 million euros gets a LOT of centre back As Adkins has publicly stated he wants a CB, I imagine it's more than likely there is also money set aside for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 I know nothing with regard to the world of high finance but I do not believe this deal will fall through simply because Bolongna cant square there loan with the Italian Banks unless they have guarantees from saints. Why dont SFC pay them the whole amount by taking out there own loan from a UK bank and repay the UK bank at the same rate as they would be paying to Bologna or is that too simple. As I say I know nothing about finance but it does not seem very sensible to loose this deal over such a minor detail as method of payment. As a business that has been in administration before, maybe banks aren't overly fussed about dealing with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 I'm getting a sense of deja vu here... That's because I said the same thing to Turkish yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 If I only have £15 buy my food for the whole week, I wouldn’t buy steak for the Monday and go hungry for the rest of the week. If NC wants to waste his whole shopping budget on 1 player then he is more of a fool than we all thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Very simple solution to this - if we want him just pay all the wonga up front , stop P!!sing about - we have shed loads of cash what difference does it make if we pay 8 - 10 or 12m As I have mention several pages back....... Bologna have massive debts hence the need to sell Ramires but they need to obtian a certain amount from the sale to cover a required amount of the debts. If they don't then the will need to get a financial loan to cover the shortfall. We wouldn't just pay the money for the player upfront for a number of reasons: 1. No deal is structured as the whole amount upfront 2. It'll set a precedent with us that if a selling club play poor and hardball then we'll just roll over get our belly tickled and pay the full amount upfront 3. Why would we want to pay cash upfront, when we may not have it immediately but know that it can be covered by future revenue we'll receive. Even if we do have it it is financially better for us to have it in our bank account for a year or two, earning interest or be used on other deals. 4. Why on earth would we be responsible for sorting out other clubs financial issues. 5. It keeps us in a strong position if Bologna are so desperate for cash. Ultimately it's a business decision in that is Ramirez worth paying for up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Exactly. Let's not forget that until we signed Jay Rodriguez that meagre 4million was equivalent to our record signing! But with sky money having rocketed since we bought Delap, I wonder what the equivalent amount would be in todays money ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 But with sky money having rocketed since we bought Delap, I wonder what the equivalent amount would be in todays money ? Todays value of Delap is about a tenner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 But with sky money having rocketed since we bought Delap, I wonder what the equivalent amount would be in todays money ? Tuppence ha'penny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 So the deal is dead then: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9887589.Ramirez_agent_claims_Saints_deal_is_off/?ref=eb Sorry if already posted. I am assuming that the Echo are always first with the news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 All this wasting time plating games with each other. Why don't they spend time on agreeing the deal!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smackalec Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Cant wait for the transfer window to be closed. This whole saga has been such a waste of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 All this wasting time plating games with each other. Why don't they spend time on agreeing the deal!! That is the problem. They cannot agree the deal. The two parties obviously have fundamental differences on which they cannot find common ground. They are not playing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 SSNRadio: We are speaking to @tancredipalmeri shortly for all the #transfer deals from Italy http://t.co/1XPWc3xa Might be worth a listen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 As a business that has been in administration before, maybe banks aren't overly fussed about dealing with us. Not a chance. Previously small turnover, AIM listed (with onerous cost implications), mortgaged stadium, overdraft maxed out with Barclays and outside the Prem. Now mortgage free, overdraft free, strong capital base, Premiership income flow with very credible Board and ownership structure. Could not be more different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 All this wasting time plating games with each other. Are they in a greek restaurant now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 74 pages of pointless drivel. Love SWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 So the deal is dead then: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9887589.Ramirez_agent_claims_Saints_deal_is_off/?ref=eb Sorry if already posted. I am assuming that the Echo are always first with the news LOL - a clasiic combinatiuon of what has already ben posted on here - I like the fact the agent has said its dead, not Bologna - we'll see what happens, great if we get him, if not great we have this sort of fee level being considered - of course now others know we can afford this, may put a few prices up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 SSNRadio: We are speaking to @tancredipalmeri shortly for all the #transfer deals from Italy http://t.co/1XPWc3xa Might be worth a listen? On now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 SSNRadio: We are speaking to @tancredipalmeri shortly for all the #transfer deals from Italy http://t.co/1XPWc3xa Might be worth a listen? He'll say it's off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Can someone point me in the direction of the source for this whole budget on one deal stuff? Seen several mention it and don't understand where it's come from. It's something else that has been made up and taken as gospel by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 As I have mention several pages back....... Ultimately it's a business decision in that is Ramirez worth paying for up front. To be fair though, what you have written isn't correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 SSNRadio: We are speaking to @tancredipalmeri shortly for all the #transfer deals from Italy http://t.co/1XPWc3xa Might be worth a listen? Listening to it now, nothing new really. Bologna wanting €10m by the end of the year, Saints wanting to spread payment over 3 years. Deal has stalled at the moment. Bologna need money. His personal feeling is Bologna will find it hard to reject that much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
There when Franny scored Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 From the source that initially said we were interested - http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/?action=read&id=378714 "Hilton Hotel - Ramirez - Southampton, you can still make Negotiation still standing. Pablo Bentancur is still working for the transfer of Gaston Ramirez from Bologna to Southampton. The talks between the parties are frequent, the goal is clear: to transfer the player, who has already given its availability. Possible developments within next Tuesday" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Can someone point me in the direction of the source for this whole budget on one deal stuff? Seen several mention it and don't understand where it's come from. From the depths of peoples decaying and rotten brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 tancredipalmeri: Bologna president Guaraldi putting pressure on Southampton for Ramirez:"At this point, their conditions to sign him are unacceptable" tancredipalmeri: I don't think I remember a case like this Ramirez and Bologna, with player announcing to go in morning and club blocking him in afternoon Brinkmanship. All week we've had numerous tweets, but nothing has actually changed since the weekend. Weird transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Just recorded the interview - will get it on here asap for you to listen to. His English isnt the best but you get the gist of what he is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Listening to it now, nothing new really. Bologna wanting €10m by the end of the year, Saints wanting to spread payment over 3 years. Deal has stalled at the moment. Bologna need money. His personal feeling is Bologna will find it hard to reject that much money. Some money is better than no money at all - surely. Hence why this tactic is to try and weed a little more out of us, or get another club interested who can offer a bit more. So far, neither has happened and we're at stalemate. They'll realise this eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Who? And what makes you think this would be instead of a CB rather than in addition to? Do people think NA and NC are that stupid? I'd imagine that there only a certain amount of reddies available at the moment in time and that needs to be spread out over several target players initial fees. If we increase the initial payment for Ramirez, that would effect the other business we are trying to do as well, as there will be less cash available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Why do we need to f**k about when our owners have millions stashed away in swiss bank accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Some money is better than no money at all - surely. Hence why this tactic is to try and weed a little more out of us, or get another club interested who can offer a bit more. So far, neither has happened and we're at stalemate. They'll realise this eventually. As much as Bologna will try and weed as much out of us as possible saints wont hang around. So if this deadline set by cortesi is true then we should know either way come end of the day. i think saints hold the cards in this deal unless of course another club come in with more money upfront. cant see it personally as the norm is to spread payments over the course of the players contract nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 So the deal is dead then: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9887589.Ramirez_agent_claims_Saints_deal_is_off/?ref=eb Sorry if already posted. I am assuming that the Echo are always first with the news Before posting check the time and date of the article. It's 24 hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Why do we need to f**k about when our owners have millions stashed away in swiss bank accounts You don't become a Swiss billionaire being trigger happy with your cheque book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 It's alright, it looks like we might be getting David Goodwillie instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 As much as Bologna will try and weed as much out of us as possible saints wont hang around. So if this deadline set by cortesi is true then we should know either way come end of the day. i think saints hold the cards in this deal unless of course another club come in with more money upfront. cant see it personally as the norm is to spread payments over the course of the players contract nowadays. To be honest, we had so many ''reported'' deadlines in the Rodriguez and Jack Cork details, so I don't think there are deadlines as such. He's such a massive player so if they do relax their demands then we're not going to say no. I imagine we've just made it clear we'll look at other targets, but the door will never slam shut on this completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Just recorded the interview - will get it on here asap for you to listen to. His English isnt the best but you get the gist of what he is saying. Bit like Bearsy then? Sorry bear, just jokes innit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 You don't become a Swiss billionaire being trigger happy with your cheque book. Got to speculate to accumulate. And to be honest, the thought that all billionaires are thrifty isn't really true is it. See Abramovich, Roman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Got to speculate to accumulate. And to be honest, the thought that all billionaires are thrifty isn't really true is it. See Abramovich, Roman. It's being assumed that we're at fault here, or we're being difficult, when it clearly isn't. We've offered them a fair deal IMO, a deal that other clubs would have offered them. We don't want to put ourselves at risk in a financial sense, so why pay more than we have at the mo? And also if we pay more up front, it could gobble up funds for a CB. Paying it over the duration of a contract is the sensible way of doing it, and I don't really know of any clubs (other than man city, chesea, madrid) who pay every single penny up front for a player. We're not quite that rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Just recorded the interview - will get it on here asap for you to listen to. His English isnt the best but you get the gist of what he is saying. Quick summary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 It's alright, it looks like we might be getting David Goodwillie instead. Thats the prem experience you've been after sorted then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Before posting check the time and date of the article. It's 24 hours ago. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Quick summary? The deal is off, but might still be on. By this afternoon the deadline is over, and it may be off again. but tomorrow morning I will tweet again as it may be on. But by the weekend it will be off again. but by the end of the transfer window it will be on again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 From the source that initially said we were interested - http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/?action=read&id=378714 "Hilton Hotel - Ramirez - Southampton, you can still make Negotiation still standing. Pablo Bentancur is still working for the transfer of Gaston Ramirez from Bologna to Southampton. The talks between the parties are frequent, the goal is clear: to transfer the player, who has already given its availability. Possible developments within next Tuesday" Probably the most accurate piece of press there's been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Let us remember that it is a Bank Holiday in the UK this weekend. These type of big money transfers take 48 work day hours. If it's not done today there won't be any developments before next Tuesday at the earliest. It's beyond belief and suicide statistics amongst Saints supporters no doubt will be at an annual high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 It's being assumed that we're at fault here, or we're being difficult, when it clearly isn't. We've offered them a fair deal IMO, a deal that other clubs would have offered them. We don't want to put ourselves at risk in a financial sense, so why pay more than we have at the mo? And also if we pay more up front, it could gobble up funds for a CB. Paying it over the duration of a contract is the sensible way of doing it, and I don't really know of any clubs (other than man city, chesea, madrid) who pay every single penny up front for a player. We're not quite that rich. I don't disagree, just saying that the statement is lazy and cliched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 Thats the prem experience you've been after sorted then! Lol, I did also say good quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 23 August, 2012 Share Posted 23 August, 2012 To be fair though, what you have written isn't correct. care to enlighten me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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