mulletsaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Yes, the management team involved in two high-profile very public utter screw-ups is conducting two or three very smooth and secretive defensive transfers in private... Unfortunately, happy-clappies, this is the REAL world where you dont control the gob of the player or the selling club, and there is a strong track record of all of our activites going very public, successful or not. J-Rod was known for about 6 months, FFS. Here we go again. You moan about people having a pop and your first response is to start name calling. What ****es me off is that you and a few others keep trotting out the 'we knew about so and so' for months. There are probably alot more potential targets that we never hear about. A discreet enquiry is made, parent club refuses point blank, end of story. Why is it so hard to believe that we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes? There are plenty of surprises around the world every transfer window. But no, it's easier just to believe we're being run by idiots because what you believe should be happening isn't happening to your own personal timetable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) Ramirez has decided not to sign because he has joined the doom squad and got very upset that we did not sell out Wigan by Tues lunchtime Edited 22 August, 2012 by Bucks Saint made sure TCM was reading every word.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 In that video he scores at the San Siro against a very good AC Milan side, looks composed on the ball and makes a number of good dribbles (many of which end because he is fouled alot). So I can name some crap players that have scored at great venues. Please read my posts fully before you try to badger them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Please read my posts fully before you try to badger them. Read the second half of my post beyond mentioning the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 And so the saga continues......... Simon Peach @SimonPeach Ramirez negotiations "definitely ended" & #SaintsFC looking elsewhere says his agent. I'd suggest games are being played & it's still on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 SimonPeach: Ramirez negotiations "definitely ended" & #SaintsFC looking elsewhere says his agent. I'd suggest games are being played & it's still on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Ramirez has decided not to sign because he has joined the doom squad and got very upset that we did sell out Wigan by Tues lunchtime Wishful thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 @BackPage Southampton have pulled out of a deal to sign Gaston Ramirez. #SaintsFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 @BackPage Southampton have pulled out of a deal to sign Gaston Ramirez. #SaintsFC No sh*t... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Here we go again. You moan about people having a pop and your first response is to start name calling. Yeah, wow, I get abuse and I dare to respond in kind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8009779/Saints-fail-to-secure-Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 @BackPage Southampton have pulled out of a deal to sign Gaston Ramirez. #SaintsFChe'll be at Man u next then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 After Sunday that is plain bonkers. Fox f**ks up every time the heat is on. He was responsible for at least one goal at SMS against Reading. One slip against over £1bn of football talent... He is a great left back who is no worse than 14 others in this league. When Ashley Cole is available, grand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Lets hope that its just games still being played. Unlikely to pull out. Could see us popping up with another offer towards the end of the window if not. Bologna need the money. I just dont understand how the deal can collapse because they have financial difficulties. Surely they'd rather have some money than no money!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Reading have 1bn worth of football talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Deal for Ramirez coallpses: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8009779/Saints-fail-to-secure-Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Ramirez negotiations "definitely ended" & #SaintsFC looking elsewhere says his agent. I'd suggest games are being played & it's still on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 What a load of old balls. Still, a centre back should have been, and hopefully is, a priority. Otherwise Saints' continual blindness in this area will continue and we'll go down. The defence really needs bolstering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 The ball is now firmly in Bologna's court - and if they really do have financial difficutlies they will come back to us i imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Deal for Ramirez coallpses: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8009779/Saints-fail-to-secure-Ramirez This is according to his agent. Could be on the level. Could be yet more bluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Well that's 66 pages of my life I will not get back, fair play to NC in not being held to ransom, if the deal isn't right for the club then it doesn't matter how good the player is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 What a load of old balls. Still, a centre back should have been, and hopefully is, a priority. Otherwise Saints' continual blindness in this area will continue and we'll go down. The defence really needs bolstering! How is it "blindness"? Adkins has publicly stated he wants one or two centre backs in before the window closes. Just because we know about talks for Ramirez and Phillips, it does not mean at the same time they aren't in talks for centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 When is the announcement about him going to Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Get over it..move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 How is it "blindness"? Adkins has publicly stated he wants one or two centre backs in before the window closes. Just because we know about talks for Ramirez and Phillips, it does not mean at the same time they aren't in talks for centre backs. True. Let's hope. Was really meaning the rather long-term aversion we have to signing defenders I guess, through previous managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8009779/Saints-fail-to-secure-Ramirez sounds like they want a concrete offer from Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Time to have a sweepstake on what major club he'll join now then. We should start demanding a fee for putting players in the shop window... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Lets hope that its just games still being played. Unlikely to pull out. Could see us popping up with another offer towards the end of the window if not. Bologna need the money. I just dont understand how the deal can collapse because they have financial difficulties. Surely they'd rather have some money than no money!? Sheesh it's easy. 1) Saints have agreed a fee 2) Saints paying €10m now and €5m next year 3) Bologna are trying to get a loan based on the €5M (for whatever reason, mainly because, like most of Italy, they are cash strapped!!) 4) Bologna's bank want a guarantee that we will pay the €5M 5) Cortese can't/won't give that guarentee (I'm an honourable man, my word is my bond etc. etc.) 6) Saints gave Bologna 24hrs to sort their **** out 7) Bologna haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) Again - where have Peter White and Simon Peach got their info from....surely a source very close to Saints... Also interesting that Ramirez agent makes it clear there are no other current offers. Sure the player isn't happy about losing a huge contract and him his slice... Edited 22 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) DL_corriere: 'with southampton it's all over and i don't have negotiations with other clubs' one of #ramirez's agent oscar betancourt said Edited 22 August, 2012 by itchen_dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Again - where have Peter White and Simon Peach got their info from....surely a source very close to Saints... Sounds to me like it is mainly Bologna and Rameriz's agent that are leaking things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Yeah, wow, I get abuse and I dare to respond in kind.... But you never admit to it mate, always someone else first or someone else with a problem. Yes my post contained sarcasm, I believe your post warranted it. Don't believe I posted any abuse. Then again what do I expect, you never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 FWIW I am still convinced he will sign, that is all! € whoops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 When is the announcement about him going to Spurs? Have you had a look at their forum? They don't want him! lol. They view him as a bargain basement replacement for Modric who is unable to play in the centre and would be nothing more than a squad player to provide cover for Lennon and Bale. One poster there said that not signing him would be like dodging a bullet as they had with Bryan Ruiz! And there was us thinking he was the 2nd coming of King Kev! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 The ball is now firmly in Bologna's court - and if they really do have financial difficutlies they will come back to us i imagine. You mean after one of the Top Four buy him ??? Within hours ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Lol people literally change their minds every time someone different tweets something. It's neither over or confirmed until the window is shut or ita confirmed on the OS of our club or another club if he goes elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Anyway, have we asked for volunteers to go on forum suicide watch or change the bedsheets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 No sh*t... Pipe down chubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 You mean after one of the Top Four buy him ??? Within hours ? Have you read the quotes from his Agent or would that ruin your argument? "The player was very happy with the offer received, but now he will probably remain at Bologna. "Tottenham is an option to be rejected at this time because they are a long way short of Bologna's demands. "Liverpool? They have never presented a concrete offer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 This is making me chuckle now... reluctantnicko: @Zoggers87 Read the quotes. It's a bluff. U want player, player wants u. So if Bolgona don't sell they're stuffed. Picture emerging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 When is the announcement about him going to Spurs? Lol!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 sounds like they want a concrete offer from Liverpool. Surely Lawrenson would have already submitted it (I wonder HOW he knew Ramirez would not be coming to Saints) "Somethings rotten in the State of Denmark" etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Have you read the quotes from his Agent or would that ruin your argument? "The player was very happy with the offer received, but now he will probably remain at Bologna. "Tottenham is an option to be rejected at this time because they are a long way short of Bologna's demands. "Liverpool? They have never presented a concrete offer." Now wanting to be pedantic but neither of them are top 4 sides... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 This is making me chuckle now... reluctantnicko: @Zoggers87 Read the quotes. It's a bluff. U want player, player wants u. So if Bolgona don't sell they're stuffed. Picture emerging? Cortese is Nixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 This is making me chuckle now... reluctantnicko: @Zoggers87 Read the quotes. It's a bluff. U want player, player wants u. So if Bolgona don't sell they're stuffed. Picture emerging? This does make sense. its all reaching a point where they have no options - no other clubs on the horizon...if they want the money.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Time to have a sweepstake on what major club he'll join now then. We should start demanding a fee for putting players in the shop window... yep, no-one knew about this £12m player until we bid for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Now wanting to be pedantic but neither of them are top 4 sides... Fair point. Fulham, West Brom, Swansea, Chelsea - none of them want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Deal is off, which we knew yesterday. Why are people still clinging onto the words of a Mirror reporter? We need defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 There's a psychology thesis just waiting to be written using this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Simon Peach @SimonPeach Ramirez negotiations "definitely ended" & #SaintsFC looking elsewhere says his agent. I'd suggest games are being played & it's still on. Alan Nixon on Twitter says this is no change from a couple of hours ago: @NeilJacksonSU @SimonPeach Said coule of hours back. Usual transfer double talk. Stick to basics. U want him. He wants u. Looks to me as if Simon Peach has tweeted using the '#saintsfc' and the result has been that @backpage have truncated the quote to become: Southampton have pulled out of a deal to sign Gaston Ramirez. #SaintsFC Then Sky have produced their story from that. If I understand it all correctly, we are just waiting on Bologna to tie up a deal with a financial institution to be able to accelerate the second part of the money that we will be paying them next year. Ramirez's agent and Saints are putting pressure on Bologna to hurry this process along. What I don't understand is how putting on this pressure can help - surely it is a case of Bologna being subject to however long it takes whatever financial institution they are using to accelerate the debt in this way to agree to do so. All I can guess is that by putting pressure on Bologna they put pressure on the finance provider to move quickly if they want the benefits of loaning this money themselves. However, in the current financial climate I wonder if that is appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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