Minty Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Or am I the one who is insane? Not insane, no, but failing to pick up on the fact they are taking the ******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 INTER JUVENTUS Football EXCLUSIVE AGENT RAMIREZ explain everything / ROME - The name of Gaston Ramirez in this session of transfers has been linked to several teams, but on September 1 may still be with the shirt of Bologna. After being in the crosshairs of 'Inter for a long time, the player was a step away from Southampton, but then the deal is skipped for the lack of agreement between the companies. Calciomercatoweb.it has interviewed Oscar Betancourt, agent of the player to clarity on what happened: "The negotiations with Southampton is definitely missed, I spoke today with the president of the English club and are turning to other goals. Bologna did not want to close the transaction in the matters of the guarantees. Player was very happy with the proposal received, but now in all likelihood will remain at Bologna. Tottenham is a hypothesis to be rejected at the time because they are away from the demands of rossoblu and Liverpool has never presented a concrete offer. " http://www.calciomercatoweb.it/ultime-calciomercato/2012/08/22/calciomercato-inter-bologna-esclusivo-agente-ramirez-vi-spiego-tutto/ Interesting the Agent of the player is saying that Saints are turning to other targets yet Saints have fed some journalists with the line that they are confident a deal will happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Or Twitter full-stop. It's extremely telling that all of the "he's not signing" tweets are coming from Italy. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Hang on, so if a professional sportsman who is being left in the dark by his current club (Bologna) is seen to kick a ball around with a young kid, he is seen as disinterested and not worthy of our club? WTF? Are all of you insane? All he was doing was kicking a ball around with a kid. He's not gonna get games with Bologna it seems. OK, he could be working harder on the training paddock, but for FFS how can anyone say 'this isn't the sort of player we want at our club' based on this one piece of evidence. IF we sign him (unlikely), and he isn't match fit (likely), then all he needs is a bit of fitness training, and all of a sudden you have a player who will play 100% come match day. Or am I the one who is insane? Not sure if this is a true 'woooosh' moment, an ironic twist on your name or WUMery of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Cortese should just tell Bologna to F--K right off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Interesting the Agent of the player is saying that Saints are turning to other targets yet Saints have fed some journalists with the line that they are confident a deal will happen... The pressure game can be played by all... Let Bologna have a bit more of it in the ear from the ramirez camp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Not insane, no, but failing to pick up on the fact they are taking the ******. This whole saga is doing my head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Are Bologna particularly in a worse financial position than other Italian clubs? As in: can they actually afford to walk away from this deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 This whole saga is doing my head in. Then I would suggest you step away from the thread! If anything of note were to happen, you'd see it in the press soon enough, but in the meantime, it's all just second-, third- and fourth-hand comments from people who know people who saw people who heard people who showed people who emailed people who might have had something to do with the deal. Or in other words: chill out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Cortese should just tell Bologna to F--K right off. you think that will help our chances to sign him then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Only through this transfer saga, have I come to truly appreciate the significance and influence of twitter... BIG debate to be had about the pros and cons of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Mousse81: #Ramirez agent said: "The deal with Southampton is definitively over. I talk today with Saints chairman and they are going on other players" yet Nixon says... reluctantnicko: @Zoggers87 Tactics, games, fanny, nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 This whole saga is doing my head in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikSL_7mAal4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edprice1984 Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I've been reading this thread all week and it gets funnier every post. If he signs, brilliant - if he doesn't I will be disappointed but not too worried. I don't doubt that some deals have gone t*ts up in the past due to NC not taking **** from agents/managers/chairmen, but equally it is also obvious that certain deals have been completed because of the way we do business. Looking at all the stuff coming out of Italy it does appear that they are playing a bit of a game, they are financially screwed and are trying to squeeze as much cash as possible out of Saints. I imagine NC has now probably set a deadline, hence all the new talk about 'other targets'. Holloway's comments about Phillips may show that we have stepped up an interest there (that is solely based on my opinion, I have no factual basis for that). I still think the Ramirez deal will go through, probably tonight. But if we haven't heard anything by the end of tomorrow it is fair to say that the deal will be dead and we have moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Well, it seems pretty clear from Ramirezes comments that he is keen to join the mighty SFC, but that the Bologna cashier and the Saints Don Cortese cant reach agreement at the moment. It will be interesting to see who blinks first, my guess is that he'll sign for Man U, if the Buttner deal is anything to go by they probably see us as unpaid old trafford talent scouts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Hang on, so if a professional sportsman who is being left in the dark by his current club (Bologna) is seen to kick a ball around with a young kid, he is seen as disinterested and not worthy of our club? WTF? Are all of you insane? All he was doing was kicking a ball around with a kid. He's not gonna get games with Bologna it seems. OK, he could be working harder on the training paddock, but for FFS how can anyone say 'this isn't the sort of player we want at our club' based on this one piece of evidence. IF we sign him (unlikely), and he isn't match fit (likely), then all he needs is a bit of fitness training, and all of a sudden you have a player who will play 100% come match day. Or am I the one who is insane? Your username is mean't to be ironic, right? WOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHHH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 you think that will help our chances to sign him then? yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) Mousse81: #Ramirez agent said: "The deal with Southampton is definitively over. I talk today with Saints chairman and they are going on other players" yet Nixon says... reluctantnicko: @Zoggers87 Tactics, games, fanny, nonsense. Ramirez's agents comments tie in with what Simon Peach and Peter White reported this morning. It is all to rush Bologna into agreeing the deal. If Ramirez' agent really thought it wasnt going to happen then he would be angry and would blame whichever side messed it up. His Client just about to miss a bumper pay day, and he would miss his slice.... Edited 22 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Italian journos with quotes from different sources saying deal off, Nixon and fellow British journos saying relax, its typical haggling and negotiation but no quotes to suggest this. Who to believe? reluctantnicko: @danbsfc Probably because some people have seen this kind of haggling drama before. Relax. peterwhite_1: @Zoggers87 Called Call My Bluff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Originally Posted by St Jim Originally Posted by Junction 9 I have a crazy idea!! Why don't we just pay them the money for the player, so they don't have to get a loan. I don't know how to respond to this as I can't tell if you are taking the p155 or not. I'm not, indulge me. Bologna have massive debts hence the need to sell Ramires but they need to obtian a certain amount from the sale to cover a required amount of the debts. If they don't then the will need to get a financial loan to cover the shortfall. We wouldn't just pay the money for the player upfront for a number of reasons: 1. No deal is structured as the whole amount upfront 2. It'll set a precedent with us that if a selling club play poor and hardball then we'll just roll over get our belly tickled and pay the full amount upfront 3. Why would we want to pay cash upfront, when we may not have it immediately but know that it can be covered by future revenue we'll receive. Even if we do have it it is financially better for us to have it in our bank account for a year or two, earning interest or be used on other deals. 4. Why on earth would we be responsible for sorting out other clubs financial issues. 5. It keeps us in a strong position if Bologna are so desperate for cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Mousse81: #Ramirez agent said: "The deal with Southampton is definitively over. I talk today with Saints chairman and they are going on other players" yet Nixon says... reluctantnicko: @Zoggers87 Tactics, games, fanny, nonsense. That mousse guy is blatantly the least objective journo on there. Blatant cog in the bologna spin machine. Annoying idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 You do all realise that Saints haven't said a word in public about any bid and that any negotiations are being done in private? Why does everybody believe everything tweeted by an Italian or by a journalist? They can't possibly have a clue and are guessing the same as you are. We haven't got any facts at all, unless you choose to believe what may or may not have been leaked from the Bologna side. Stop hanging onto every tweet and just wait for proper news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) That mousse guy is blatantly the least objective journo on there. Blatant cog in the bologna spin machine. Annoying idiot. Probably only the same as Peter White and Simon Peach - where do you think they go their identical information from at the same time? All Journalists are reliant to a certain extent on what clubs and agents feed them otherwsie why would they have updates to give at all? Those Tweets say that Saints are confident about the deal, or at least they want it to be in the UK public domain that if the deal doesn't happen it is not our fault, we have other targets and its Bologna that have messed about. Bologna of course say the opposite... Edited 22 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 That mousse guy is blatantly the least objective journo on there. Blatant cog in the bologna spin machine. Annoying idiot. Annoying because he isn't tweeting what you want to hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Are Bologna particularly in a worse financial position than other Italian clubs? As in: can they actually afford to walk away from this deal? They're a bit like us actually, a team with its own place in Italian football history (won the league 7 times) who recently went through financial troubles and are now on the up. Another curiosity is they crashed out of the top flight for the last time in 2005 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Another thing that makes me more hopeful that this will happen now, is the fact that as we have an agreement with Ramirez agent, he may well be on the inside now with Cortese. In that case, the agent will be playing the same Southampton ball with Bologna? Reckon we are in a very strong negotiating position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Probably only the same as Peter White and Simon Peach - where do you think they go their identical information from at the same time? Trust my own club feeds more than that lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 CALCIOMERCATO JUVENTUS DEFINITELY a TARGET EXCLUSIVE FADE/ROME – market days very hot these missing on 31 August, the date set by the Football League for the closure of the negotiations of the summer session. There could be a breakthrough in the next few hours with regard to the future of El Kaddouri. The young Belgian footballer of Moroccan-born, followed by time from Juventus, according to rumors collected by Calciomercatoweb.it, could end up at Southampton, who had to give up Gaston Ramirez after not having found the deal with Bologna. Mino Raiola, neo player of the Brescia Prosecutor, would offer his English club card which would have decided to bet on him. http://www.calciomercatoweb.it/ultime-calciomercato/2012/08/22/calciomercato-juventus-esclusivo-sfuma-definitivamente-un-obiettivo-a-centrocampo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 That mousse guy is blatantly the least objective journo on there. Blatant cog in the bologna spin machine. Annoying idiot. Mousse Italian talksport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Annoying because he isn't tweeting what you want to hear? The guy has contradicted himself numerous times over the last 48 hours alone. Hope this helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 They're a bit like us actually, a team with its own place in Italian football history (won the league 7 times) who recently went through financial troubles and are now on the up. Another curiosity is they crashed out of the top flight for the last time in 2005 too. Yep, sounds like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 The guy has contradicted himself numerous times over the last 48 hours alone. Hope this helps... Could be an alias for Hypo then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Yep, sounds like us. You seem to have forgotten our JPT win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 We'll if little blue pills are required then maybe mrs DP doesn't get the point that often?! I mean 65 is quite old really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Could be an alias for Hypo then ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 CALCIOMERCATO JUVENTUS DEFINITELY a TARGET EXCLUSIVE FADE/ROME – market days very hot these missing on 31 August, the date set by the Football League for the closure of the negotiations of the summer session. There could be a breakthrough in the next few hours with regard to the future of El Kaddouri. The young Belgian footballer of Moroccan-born, followed by time from Juventus, according to rumors collected by Calciomercatoweb.it, could end up at Southampton, who had to give up Gaston Ramirez after not having found the deal with Bologna. Mino Raiola, neo player of the Brescia Prosecutor, would offer his English club card which would have decided to bet on him. http://www.calciomercatoweb.it/ultime-calciomercato/2012/08/22/calciomercato-juventus-esclusivo-sfuma-definitivamente-un-obiettivo-a-centrocampo/ So now Bologna know that we are closing in on other players and their 12m is sliding away...suprise suprise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 ...sadly since it was posted on here, I cant help but think of Ramirez. Mexico and Mike basset when thinking about this transfer - '3 cheers for Ramierez' everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I am sorry for starting this Phil, especially as I just noticed your profile shot!! Lovely trophy as well lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So, according to Talksport, Bologna are trying to arrange a bank loan based on the repayments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Old news, sorry, I've just got up! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 you think that will help our chances to sign him then? People respect a position of strength! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Can't abide time wasters. Tell them to get the deal done now or sod off. Plenty more fish in the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 lol, so basically this morning we have gone from ''It's going to happen, just a loan to sort'' to ''It's too complex, bolonga aren't getting enough money, deal off''. I think it's safe to say I'm not taking it for granted either way at the mo. But I do feel the Italian sources are being fed this info for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 lol, so basically this morning we have gone from ''It's going to happen, just a loan to sort'' to ''It's too complex, bolonga aren't getting enough money, deal off''. I think it's safe to say I'm not taking it for granted either way at the mo. But I do feel the Italian sources are being fed this info for some reason. And so must our sources be as well, otherwise where does the info come from? Saints want us to believe its happening, Bologna sure it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Yep, sounds like us. The main point was the history both clubs have in their countries. Hope you enjoyed your moment of daftness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 lol, so basically this morning we have gone from ''It's going to happen, just a loan to sort'' to ''It's too complex, bolonga aren't getting enough money, deal off''. I think it's safe to say I'm not taking it for granted either way at the mo. But I do feel the Italian sources are being fed this info for some reason. I think so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 And so must our sources be as well, otherwise where does the info come from? Saints want us to believe its happening, Bologna sure it isn't. I still think it's a game of brinkmanship. Bolonga will hold out until they can, up to which point they will then accept this is better than nothing at all. Now, if we're still interested when they come back is another thing all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Offcourse the Italians are "leaking" stuff so when they sell their Chairman can say they did everything they could to keep him etc. Just like when we sold our stars in the past. Its to show the fans their are working their ass off to keep him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 lol, so basically this morning we have gone from ''It's going to happen, just a loan to sort'' to ''It's too complex, bolonga aren't getting enough money, deal off''. The 'It's going to happen' was only ever a hunch, an opinion from a handful of journalists. And to be accurate, it would *appear* that it was a case of 'Just a loan to sort, but only a limited amount of time to do so otherwise Saints will pull out.' Which appears is what has now happened. I think it's safe to say I'm not taking it for granted either way at the mo. Advice everyone should've followed from the outset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Offcourse the Italians are "leaking" stuff so when they sell their Chairman can say they did everything they could to keep him etc. Just like when we sold our stars in the past. Its to show the fans their are working their ass off to keep him.... I just cannot see Bolonga passing up the possibility of getting money, no matter how small. They need finance, that's clear. Gaston may receive an awful injury and then that's that - possibility of not getting close to what we offered. Are they in a position to pass the finance up completely? I'm not sure myself. As I've held out from the word go, I think they'll keep this going as long as they can until the point that they have no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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