thorpie the sinner Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Oi! Less of the ageist comments To be fair Phil, you don't look 65 and just look at your lovely girlfriend, you still have it my friend lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If I am gathering this right, which I may not be as all the stuff above is a bit confusing, but if we paid 10 million Euros to loan him for a season and then 5 million Euros to buy him outright, then we have to pay what his CURRENT contract stipulates. We can't pay him anymore because that would mean he has a contract with both teams, which is not legal. No, they would appear to be trying to secure a financial loan from a bank, to the value of the total we will pay them instalments, based on our promise/contract to pay them. Which I guess is where their request for proof of funds came from, as a request from their bank regarding the loan? They sound like they need cash desperately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 To be fair Phil, you don't look 65 and just look at your lovely girlfriend, you still have it my friend lol!!! just needs a little blue pill to get it (sorry, couldn't resist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 To be fair Phil, you don't look 65 and just look at your lovely girlfriend, you still have it my friend lol!!! 65! SIXTY ******* FIVE! No effing Duty Frees for you then. (Oh you can't anyway if mtg at the ground!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_DB Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Sounds to me like the negotiations have made good progress. Yesterday Bologna wanted more upfront so they could buy a replacement and NC wouldn't budge. Today it seems like Bologna are saying "OK, we'll go with your payment plan but at least let us get a loan to help us buy a replacement". Seems like a good compromise and I can't imagine the guarantees being a real sticking point. Although that does mean we are somewhat reliant on Bologna actually using our money to pay off the loan, as otherwise we could potentially be liable for Bologna's loan payments despite having already paid our instalments for the transfer. Can we trust them? From the sounds of the reports Bologna have blinked first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 just needs a little blue pill to get it (sorry, couldn't resist) So, we have a page full of people arguing about whether Phil still has it or not. Please keep this thread on topic, i.e the player we are linked to. Thanks Ummmmm!!! Mike, Mike, Mike, can we stay on topic please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Sounds to me like the negotiations have made good progress. Yesterday Bologna wanted more upfront so they could buy a replacement and NC wouldn't budge. Today it seems like Bologna are saying "OK, we'll go with your payment plan but at least let us get a loan to help us buy a replacement". Seems like a good compromise and I can't imagine the guarantees being a real sticking point. Although that does mean we are somewhat reliant on Bologna actually using our money to pay off the loan, as otherwise we could potentially be liable for Bologna's loan payments despite having already paid our instalments for the transfer. Can we trust them? From the sounds of the reports Bologna have blinked first. I doubt we are expecte dto be the guarrantor of a bologna loan - will never happen if that is the case - more that bolognas bank want to see evidence that Saints will be pating bologna and not defaulting so Bologna do not default... if it really is a case that bolgna want us to guarrantee tehir loan eg become liable - then this is dead - and rightly so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Simon Peach @SimonPeach #SaintsFC have also sorted out agreement with Ramirez's former club Penarol for their 30%. Hold up is Bologna messing around with finances. Simon Peach @SimonPeach If #SaintsFC get messed around by Bologna & the deal collapses, there are other targets on the radar. I think it'll go through, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Didn't Poopey **** Bologna off in the pass with unpaid installments for Anthony Vanden Borren? They definitely managed to sign, play and sell Sulley Muntari at a profit whilst defaulting on numerous repayments to Udinese, I know that for sure as they were heftily mentioned on the original CVA list of football creditors. Not sure any of this is down to Saints as much as Bologna needing to repay a loan they haven't taken out yet. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So, we have a page full of people arguing about whether Phil still has it or not. Please keep this thread on topic, i.e the player we are linked to. Thanks Ummmmm!!! Mike, Mike, Mike, can we stay on topic please point taken and well made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Simon Peach @SimonPeach #SaintsFC have also sorted out agreement with Ramirez's former club Penarol for their 30%. Hold up is Bologna messing around with finances. Simon Peach @SimonPeach If #SaintsFC get messed around by Bologna & the deal collapses, there are other targets on the radar. I think it'll go through, though. lets hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Interspersed with clips of Hanson saying "you don't win anything with kids"!! ...to the tune of Mmmbop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4499661/Gaston-Ramirez-transfer-Southampton-still-hope-to-sign-Bologna-ace.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2191921/Gaston-Ramirez-Southampton-hold.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-dmailsports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Do they just copy and paste each others articles ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I agree and think his time at the BBC are numbered.he comes across as a old fogey. Whole Beeb team are crap. Utterly incapable of critical analysis. Much too pally with each other, and offer no real insight. Lawro is the worst of the lot. I remember sitting in a black cab half-cut going into Liverpool. Taxi driver asks my mate where he's from, who says "Runcorn" (town just outside accepted scouse jurisdiction). Taxi driver says "you hit the crossbar there, lad". Lawro has hit the cross-bar his whole life. He knows he messed up by playing for the Republic, which informs most of his misery during England games. Will always be a question mark over his quality. His only real success in life came as part of the all-conquering LFC team, but he made less than a fringe player does now. Basically a miserable get, which I have no problem with. Just wish he confined himself to a cave instead of being given licence payer's cash to depress a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I don't know how to respond to this as I can't tell if you are taking the p155 or not. I'm not, indulge me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 "10.48 BST: Southampton hope to complete the signing of Gaston Ramirez from Bologna despite delays in the move caused by the selling club's financial problems. It is understood that a fee and payment plan have been negotiated for the 21-year-old Uruguay winger, who will cost the Saints a record £12 million, but it is understood Bologna are attempting to secure a loan against the repayments." Looks like all sites are reporting the same thing, hopefully we have a new player by tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I suspect Bologna need to go back to their bank manager to check that they can accept our payment schedule for their loan, which may be why rumours of Saints adding a deadline are now coming into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 ...to the tune of Mmmbop. True story. One of my colleagues thought the lead singer was a "lovely looking girl" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Looks like all sites are reporting the same thing, hopefully we have a new player by tomorrow Probably because it's all based based on a Press Association wire article, which was probably written by Simon Peach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalmaneser Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 To confirm: 'Sportsmail reporter' means it's slightly rewritten copy taken from the newswires. In this case, likely from PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 point taken and well made We'll if little blue pills are required then maybe mrs DP doesn't get the point that often?! I mean 65 is quite old really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If only NC sorted his ego out, bologna might not be in such a financial mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_DB Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Agreed. But the lender to a party in financial difficulty will want the guarantee to be as wide as possible. We will see, but NC will know bank guarantees (and when to give them or not) inside out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If only NC sorted his ego out, bologna might not be in such a financial mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_DB Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I doubt we are expecte dto be the guarrantor of a bologna loan - will never happen if that is the case - more that bolognas bank want to see evidence that Saints will be pating bologna and not defaulting so Bologna do not default... if it really is a case that bolgna want us to guarrantee tehir loan eg become liable - then this is dead - and rightly so Forgot to add this quote to my previous post. And that's my 3 for today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If only NC sorted his ego out, bologna might not be in such a financial mess another classic delldays comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Can Chanria not put together a nice loan package for them? He seems to be at a loose end at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If only NC sorted his ego out, bologna might not be in such a financial mess It coiuld well be me but this is 'Double Dutch'. What on earth has NC's ego (if he has one!) got to do with any mess Bologna might be in? Please explain further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 It coiuld well be me but this is 'Double Dutch'. What on earth has NC's ego (if he has one!) got to do with any mess Bologna might be in? Please explain further. Just this time yesterday, the usual moaners were so sure the deal was off, NCs ego was getting the better of him, we can't close a deal and we are just chasing fantasy targets to please fans but have no intention of signing them And on and on and on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If only NC sorted his ego out, bologna might not be in such a financial mess Agreed. I propose a boycott until he resigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 It coiuld well be me but this is 'Double Dutch'. What on earth has NC's ego (if he has one!) got to do with any mess Bologna might be in? Please explain further. H E W A S T A K I N G T H E P I 5 5, you need to read back a couple of pages to get the gist of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Just this time yesterday, the usual moaners were so sure the deal was off, NCs ego was getting the better of him, we can't close a deal and we are just chasing fantasy targets to please fans but have no intention of signing them And on and on and on Does this mean we're in agreement? If so, I shall commission the commemorative statue immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) DL_corriere: #ramirez 'too many parts involved,too many fees,the deal is not ok for us and now with southampton is over' a #bolognafc insider source said Mousse81: @StannersSFC Lack of warranties and too many % to give to agents and to Penarol. Chairmans are still speaking but the deal is so far now Edited 22 August, 2012 by itchen_dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Among the most ardent supporters of no to the Saints - perhaps because they understand the inability to adequately replace it - there is a dg rossoblù Roberto Zanzi: "There were new and in the absence of precise guarantees on payments Ramirez does not move, there are too many parties. The negotiation was not conducted in a linear manner and there are a number of factors that do not convince us. " Or all those small percentages that would make a dent in the cleaning of the Saints 15 million (5% of the Fund on international transfers, commission agents and various intermediaries, the role of the Penarol who had already given the green light to the sale to Southampton) and above all the guarantees necessary to avoid being scalded in a year as was the case with Osvaldo Espanyol. In all this, Ramirez continues to train separately, not exactly a high pace: yesterday even took a long time to fiddle and dribble with one of the sons of Diego Perez on the sideline. "The player is very disappointed," filtered by the staff of the player, because the Saints had offered the beauty of almost three million a year for four seasons and this is going to fade. But some stories, you know, they never end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 DL_corriere: #ramirez 'too many parts involved,too many fees,the deal is not ok for us and now with southampton is over' a #bolognafc insider source said Thread CLOSED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Jesus can we just put an end to the guy or not the amount of back and forth stuff reporting is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 H E W A S T A K I N G T H E P I 5 5, you need to read back a couple of pages to get the gist of it... Bob, thank you for s p e l l i n g it out for me. I failed to see he was being sarcastic:blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 yesterday even took a long time to fiddle and dribble with one of the sons of Diego Perez on the sideline shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If he is spending all his time fiddling and dribbling with people's sons then no way will he be match fit for Saturday. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 shocking Agree - not the sort of player we want at the club. I think derry knew about this yesterday when he said he wasn't fussed if we signed him or not, makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 DL_corriere: #ramirez 'too many parts involved,too many fees,the deal is not ok for us and now with southampton is over' a #bolognafc insider source said Mousse81: @StannersSFC Lack of warranties and too many % to give to agents and to Penarol. Chairmans are still speaking but the deal is so far now Wouldn't worry too much about the 'corriere'. Seems bologna have been feeding them info throughout to put pressure on us. That mousse chap actually works close with bologna too if I recall correctly. As Adkins says, let's not get too high or too low. Think by tommorow, we'll have a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I won't believe this transfer is truly dead in the water until it's on the Sky Sports News yellow breaking news ticker saying we've signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 can't believe people are still bothering to read those italian journo tweets, they obviously are being played by bologna to put stuff in the media, and actually don't know ****. deal is off but chairman still talking.. whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 INTER JUVENTUS Football EXCLUSIVE AGENT RAMIREZ explain everything / ROME - The name of Gaston Ramirez in this session of transfers has been linked to several teams, but on September 1 may still be with the shirt of Bologna. After being in the crosshairs of 'Inter for a long time, the player was a step away from Southampton, but then the deal is skipped for the lack of agreement between the companies. Calciomercatoweb.it has interviewed Oscar Betancourt, agent of the player to clarity on what happened: "The negotiations with Southampton is definitely missed, I spoke today with the president of the English club and are turning to other goals. Bologna did not want to close the transaction in the matters of the guarantees. Player was very happy with the proposal received, but now in all likelihood will remain at Bologna. Tottenham is a hypothesis to be rejected at the time because they are away from the demands of rossoblu and Liverpool has never presented a concrete offer. " http://www.calciomercatoweb.it/ultime-calciomercato/2012/08/22/calciomercato-inter-bologna-esclusivo-agente-ramirez-vi-spiego-tutto/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Wouldn't worry too much about the 'corriere'. Seems bologna have been feeding them info throughout to put pressure on us. That mousse chap actually works close with bologna too if I recall correctly. As Adkins says, let's not get too high or too low. Think by tommorow, we'll have a decision. Or Twitter full-stop. It's extremely telling that all of the "he's not signing" tweets are coming from Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Hang on, so if a professional sportsman who is being left in the dark by his current club (Bologna) is seen to kick a ball around with a young kid, he is seen as disinterested and not worthy of our club? WTF? Are all of you insane? All he was doing was kicking a ball around with a kid. He's not gonna get games with Bologna it seems. OK, he could be working harder on the training paddock, but for FFS how can anyone say 'this isn't the sort of player we want at our club' based on this one piece of evidence. IF we sign him (unlikely), and he isn't match fit (likely), then all he needs is a bit of fitness training, and all of a sudden you have a player who will play 100% come match day. Or am I the one who is insane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So we have a massive game of financial brinkmanship between Cortes and the Chairman of a club who are doing a passable impression of Skate bookkeeping being played out on two fronts. In private and in public media in an attempt to force more juice from the deal. I know who I trust to do best by our club, better to stand firm rather then make a precedent for being a soft touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If he is spending all his time fiddling and dribbling with people's sons then no way will he be match fit for Saturday. Move on. Why are we spending £12m on a violinist? There must be cheaper options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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