itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 DL_corriere: @Zoggers87 @Mousse81 what we know is saints offered €10mln for 2012-2013 loan + €5mln to complete the transfer next summer but bfc refused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 It's definitely over Hypo said so, he also is a veteran on these sort of threads He's like a wise old wizard, the oracle of SWF transfer threads. I will summon him later today for his thoughts on this latest development. Only a man with his knowledge and experience will be able to decipher what this all means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So what did Lawrenson actually say then? "Ramirez wont be going to Southampton. Not a chance." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) Thought you might like a summary of the player from the Italian point of view ...it was written / published 28 July in the Corriere dello sport. ROMA - Caccia aperta a Gastón Exequiel Ramírez Pereyra, centrocampista d’attacco, sinistro naturale. Ventidue anni il prossimo 2 dicembre. L’asso del Bologna è nella top ten dei più richiesti. La lista è lunga: Liverpool, Inter, Juve, Napoli, Wolfsburg, Manchester City... e il prezzo sale. I 13,5 milioni di euro per rilevare tutto il suo cartellino, preso nel 2010 dal Bologna a rate dal Peñarol per circa 3 milioni di euro, adesso non bastano più: si parla di 15-16 milioni. Asta coperta. Il contratto con la società rossoblu scade a giugno del 2016. Il Bologna resiste, ma c’è la fila! La procura del calciatore è della Corner Association targata Diego Heredia Triguero, licenza in Spagna, che ha il totalizzatore sempre in funzione. E’ l’asso emergente della scuderia. Un niño de oro, indossa la numero 10. My translation: Open season for Gaston Exequiel Ramirez Pereyra, naturally left footed attacking midfielder. twenty two years old on 2nd December. The Bologna ace is in the top ten most wanted. The list of suitors is long ~: Liverpool, Inter, Juve, Napoli, Wolfsburg, Man City....and his price is rising. The original $13.5M euros to buy him, having previously joined Bologna fronm Peneral for $3m euros is no longer enough, his price has now risen to between $15-$16million euros. They have bases covered as his conteract is until june 2016. Boliogna will hold out - but theres a qyueue for Ramirez! The players agent is Diego Triguero, registered in Spain and hes got his calculator ready to hand! Ramirez is the emerging star of the squad, the next golden child in the number ten shirt. Edited 22 August, 2012 by Giordano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Sounds like unless this gets done today, on Bologna's part, it doesn't get done at all Cortese is basically saying, we dont give a f**k if you want to get a bank loan with our money, were offering it to you, take it or leave it. And he's right to do so, they're ****ing us about Whatever happens i cant see them turning down 15m euro's, whether they need a bank loan or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So what did Lawrenson actually say then? That saints won't sign Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 It all comes out in the wash eventually. Just makes me glad that deal or no deal we have NC acting on our behalf and not some of the tools on here who think they know it all with multi million pound deals sat behind their keyboard with their trousers round their ankles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 DL_corriere: @Zoggers87 @Mousse81 what we know is saints offered €10mln for 2012-2013 loan + €5mln to complete the transfer next summer but bfc refused If they are in trouble they won't be able to turn €10 down for long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 so is Rudi signing or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 DL_corriere: @Zoggers87 @Mousse81 what we know is saints offered €10mln for 2012-2013 loan + €5mln to complete the transfer next summer but bfc refused Ah ha. So THIS is the crux of the matter. One year loan with an option to buy. NC covering his financial arse in case we get relegated. Bolgna think they are getting the deal they want but then find that getting an advance on that option to buy becomes the issue. Of course NO idea on the accuracy of this quoted tweet, but it again helps to make some sense of the comings and goings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I think that the world-wide repurcussions of this purchase add value from NC's perspective. Ramirez is an International "name" player already at a young age. He is the playmaker for the 3rd/4th best team in world football - Uruguay and i think Nicola sees him as an emerging world superstar along the lines of others from Seria A in recent years such as Cavani, Lavezzi, Hamsik, Inler Menez etc. With Ramirez in the team and any level of EPL success we have got a lot more chance of attracting and developing a world class squad. Cortese is playing high stakes to puit Saints right up there on the top branches - and this is EXACTLY the kind of purchase to do that...as is Tadanari Lee btw...its all very logical if you view it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/southampton-hopeful-of-completing-deal-for-gaston-ramirez-despite-bologna-delay-8072696.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 It's definitely over Hypo said so, he also is a veteran on these sort of threads time to move on guys, by continuously posting that the deal is dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So surely they'd be even more interested? They get €10m, dont have to pay his wages for a year, and then may get to keep the player next year !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Ah ha. So THIS is the crux of the matter. One year loan with an option to buy. NC covering his financial arse in case we get relegated. Bolgna think they are getting the deal they want but then find that getting an advance on that option to buy becomes the issue. Of course NO idea on the accuracy of this quoted tweet, but it again helps to make some sense of the comings and goings What!!!!!!!!! It's not a loan in that sense, he is being offered a four year contract. My understanding is that Bologna wand us to guarantee the money so as they can take out a loan. You have now muddied the waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 find it hard to believe we are willing to part with 10m euro for a years loan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Ah ha. So THIS is the crux of the matter. One year loan with an option to buy. NC covering his financial arse in case we get relegated. Bolgna think they are getting the deal they want but then find that getting an advance on that option to buy becomes the issue. Of course NO idea on the accuracy of this quoted tweet, but it again helps to make some sense of the comings and goings I think that would be more for Bologna's benefit, he remains their player until paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 DL_corriere: @Zoggers87 @Mousse81 what we know is saints offered €10mln for 2012-2013 loan + €5mln to complete the transfer next summer but bfc refused Odd if true. 10 million euros for a one year loan? What if it doesn't work out and we don't want to but him after a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 @Alex_Crook on twitter has said we have given Bologna a 24 hour deadline to complete deal or we withdraw offer! Can't find link but he is a journo somewhere. Suitably vague I know lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Italian viewpoint from @Mousse81 - very detailed article, well worth reading: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcorrieredibologna.corriere.it%2Fbologna%2Fnotizie%2Frossoblu%2F2012%2F22-agosto-2012%2Framirez-mancano-garanzie-saints-non-chiudono-affare-2111525873182.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 It's definitely over Hypo said so, he also is a veteran on these sort of threads Lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/southampton-hopeful-of-completing-deal-for-gaston-ramirez-despite-bologna-delay-8072696.html Phil..........read this. However, it is understood cash-strapped Bologna are stalling as they seek to secure a loan against the repayments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Just look at Inter Milan - sold Silva and Ibrahimovic to PSG - 7 days after Silva had signed a new contract with them. The money is gone from Italian football at the mo and Bologna could never ever say no to this kind of money and NC knows this. Getting a loan with Saints money as security - sounds like really dangerous stuff to be involved with. But still think this deal will happen now. By Inter you mean AC yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 It all comes out in the wash eventually. Just makes me glad that deal or no deal we have NC acting on our behalf and not some of the tools on here who think they know it all with multi million pound deals sat behind their keyboard with their trousers round their ankles. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Loan makes no sense though, as Ramirez won't be getting the wages he wanted from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) FFS WAKE UP! That statement is so myopic. ITALY is screwed. It's not JUST their football. Christ doesn't ANYONE watch the normal news? Sod that mate, normal news is so goddam depressing. This place is much better... Oh wait a minute. Edited 22 August, 2012 by mulletsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 The more I read on it just sounds like Bologna want to be sure they will actually get all the money at a point fairly soon. After the situation they had with Espanyol for Osvaldo they are very wary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 bologna want to take out a loan based on the overall transfer fee (minus slice given to players old club) so they can buy players immediately. the loan will then be secured against repayments by saints. so it seems we are just waiting for bologna to get a loan approved then its a done deal however they have just 24 hours to get this done as cortesi unhappy with being messed around. other targets will be pursued if no resolution today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 (edited) Loan makes no sense though, as Ramirez won't be getting the wages he wanted from us. Why? Up to us what we pay him. Its just a technicality in the payment instalment terms. Edited 22 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 What!!!!!!!!! It's not a loan in that sense, he is being offered a four year contract. My understanding is that Bologna wand us to guarantee the money so as they can take out a loan. You have now muddied the waters. TBH this place is full of people who can't speak Italian using google translate and then trying to make sense of the oddities it throws up. Very easy in this case to read something into the wording that isn't really there. If you look at some examples of this that people were posting yesterday, this morning's news from British journo's fits. It's Not a million miles from what was being speculated on last night, the only difference seems to be that the bank issue seems to be with Bologna's rather than Saints'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 So Bologna are the new pomp? By taking out a loan on the transfer money we give them they can build the team, but further jeopardise the financial security of their club... Seems ok so long as we get the player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I have a crazy idea!! Why don't we just pay them the money for the player, so they don't have to get a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Italian viewpoint from @Mousse81 - very detailed article, well worth reading: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcorrieredibologna.corriere.it%2Fbologna%2Fnotizie%2Frossoblu%2F2012%2F22-agosto-2012%2Framirez-mancano-garanzie-saints-non-chiudono-affare-2111525873182.shtml Doesn't sound so positive, but this does at least suggest that Bologna are very interested to sell. Will they blink? Or will Cortese slam the door shut, lock it and throw away the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 bologna want to take out a loan based on the overall transfer fee (minus slice given to players old club) so they can buy players immediately. the loan will then be secured against repayments by saints. so it seems we are just waiting for bologna to get a loan approved then its a done deal however they have just 24 hours to get this done as cortesi unhappy with being messed around. other targets will be pursued if no resolution today. This seems to be the issue, why we're going round in circles again already this morning is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 "Attacks punched the dog sitter and steal the dog 'Pepe' arrested." - What a brilliant side story. Who needs Ramirez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 FFS WAKE UP! That statement is so myopic. ITALY is screwed. It's not JUST their football. Christ doesn't ANYONE watch the normal news? Yes Italy is well and truly screwed what with the economy, corruption and the match fixing scandals income to football clubs is dropping even Inter are selling all their players Bologna are bankrupt need funds and hoping to flush someone out with more funds or a better cash flow deal but are fast running out of time 9 days and ticking now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Yes youre correct - sorry - should be AC Milan offcourse. By Inter you mean AC yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I have a crazy idea!! Why don't we just pay them the money for the player, so they don't have to get a loan. I don't know how to respond to this as I can't tell if you are taking the p155 or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I have a crazy idea!! Why don't we just pay them the money for the player, so they don't have to get a loan. Maybe because we havnt got it yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Has Clunge won the most posts on a thread award yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 You're not alone there mate I really dislike the man. I did consider dropping the enmity, but listening him wail on about "same old England" during the Euros and his assurances that Gaston won't be coming to Southampton topped all my Lawro bile reserves right back up. I'm also old enough to remember him saying "I fear for Southampton" at the beginning of each Prem season. Blert. If we are successful in landing Ramirez, someone should do a YouTube compilation vid entitled "Lawro tells it how it isn't". Plenty of material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 Why? Up to us what we pay him. Its just a technicality in the payment instalment terms. If I am gathering this right, which I may not be as all the stuff above is a bit confusing, but if we paid 10 million Euros to loan him for a season and then 5 million Euros to buy him outright, then we have to pay what his CURRENT contract stipulates. We can't pay him anymore because that would mean he has a contract with both teams, which is not legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-are-determined-to-complete-the-transfer-of-gaston-1273587?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I really dislike the man. I did consider dropping the enmity, but listening him wail on about "same old England" during the Euros and his assurances that Gaston won't be coming to Southampton topped all my Lawro bile reserves right back up. I'm also old enough to remember him saying "I fear for Southampton" at the beginning of each Prem season. Blert. If we are successful in landing Ramirez, someone should do a YouTube compilation vid entitled "Lawro tells it how it isn't". Plenty of material. this he's a bellend. he is the most patronising commentator and pundit - every single palyer on the pitch these days is x10 the player he ever was.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If Jay Rodriguez is Jrod, do we call this guy Gram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 this he's a bellend. he is the most patronising commentator and pundit - every single palyer on the pitch these days is x10 the player he ever was.... I agree and think his time at the BBC are numbered.he comes across as a old fogey. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 It all comes out in the wash eventually. Just makes me glad that deal or no deal we have NC acting on our behalf and not some of the tools on here who think they know it all with multi million pound deals sat behind their keyboard with their trousers round their ankles. B-b-b-but how did you know? (Tab 1: SaintsWeb, Tab 2 XHamster, Tab 3: StickCricket) >> RE: The Ramirez situation, I'm not letting myself get het up about it. If we pull this off, and the Phillips transfer, then fantastic, I'll be fapping myself dry over it. My primary concern is that we've not signed ANYBODY for ages, and you could conceivably argue that we still need 1 GK, 2 CB's, 1 LB, 2 Wingers and possibly (if I were manager, which I'm as glad as you that I'm not) even another ST. I'm sure some of these will be addressed though by next Friday, but that deadline is creeping up. Deadline day will be interesting though. (Oh, my secondary concern is why my SaintWeb subscription was declined. Full of murderous rage...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 If Jay Rodriguez is Jrod, do we call this guy Gram? Calling a South American 'Gram' could confuse people as to what profession he's in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I agree and think his time at the BBC are numbered.he comes across as a old fogey. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Oi! Less of the ageist comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 22 August, 2012 Share Posted 22 August, 2012 I really dislike the man. I did consider dropping the enmity, but listening him wail on about "same old England" during the Euros and his assurances that Gaston won't be coming to Southampton topped all my Lawro bile reserves right back up. I'm also old enough to remember him saying "I fear for Southampton" at the beginning of each Prem season. Blert. If we are successful in landing Ramirez, someone should do a YouTube compilation vid entitled "Lawro tells it how it isn't". Plenty of material. Interspersed with clips of Hanson saying "you don't win anything with kids"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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