mulletsaint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 headline on official saints website is 'player signings on Thursday' - almost wet myself then read it was Jay Rod doing signings at megastore How long have you been a Saints fan? Or have you only just got the Internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 But surely you everyone knows you arent going to attract the very top talent (even if you have the money) in your first promoted season. Incremental improvement, its hardly radical - though apprarently too complex for some. Perfectly logical. What isn't logical is banging on about challenging for the title then signing players from te championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 No it's not. The most likely outcome is we're not prepared to pay for the player over 2 years. Don't believe there is anything underhand in this deal. I'm not criticising Saints But if a Club, any Club could offer Euro Football NOW, the player would opt for that And if a player, any player received such info from any Club, that, in my book is "Tapping up" Please don't say that you think this never happens. Buttner couldn't wait to get here .............. but he aint here is he ?? The same thing COULD happen to Ramirez Man U did their deal QUICKLY, that's the key In future, we MUST get our man quickly, before other vultures hone in on the carcass of failed negotiations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 How are people spending so much time on here when they are supposed to be working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Ok, let's just take a breather here for a second. I think a hell of a lot is being lost in translation here, it's easy for things to sound ''certain'' when it's not in translation. Let's basically go through what we know for sure. 1 - the player wants to join saints 2 - we have agreed contract length and terms with the player 3 - Bolonga want 15m euro's 4 - There is a discrepancy how we pay the money, in terms of over a period of time 5 - Spurs and Liverpool have signed (or are looking at) alternative targets 6 - Gaston has all but burnt bridges at Bolonga, they are looking at alternative players and want to reinvest the money All in all - I don't think much has changed today. As we edge nearer the window we will get a clearer picture. It's clear that Bolonga are mucking around a bit as they are in the strong position at the moment, but as we get closer to the end of the window you have to think that we have the stronger hand. They have no better offers, the player wants to go and they want the money. Nothing is decided either way yet, let's wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Anyone considered we are negotiating revised payments for our other targets now we've made concessions with the Ramirez deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Has anyone thought about why the deal may be dead? We know the deal is roughly €15m but the argument is how to pay it. It's been reported we have offered €8m up front but they probably want more upfront. Could it be that we don't have the physical cash to pay €10m+ upfront? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 I'm not criticising Saints But if a Club, any Club could offer Euro Football NOW, the player would opt for that And if a player, any player received such info from any Club, that, in my book is "Tapping up" Please don't say that you think this never happens. Buttner couldn't wait to get here .............. but he aint here is he ?? The same thing COULD happen to Ramirez Man U did their deal QUICKLY, that's the key In future, we MUST get our man quickly, before other vultures hone in on the carcass of failed negotiations M'lud may I present Exhibit 'A' for the perusal of those jury members who have already decided the outcome of the trial!! The Dutch talksport football bloke was on H & J this afternoon. He was asked about Buttner, "is he a good player for Man Utd" the reply was "Ummmmmmmmmmmm, I dont want to run the guy down" Then went on to say "his "dream" move was Southampton, everybody here is surprised he ended up and Manchester". Guy was then asked "why did the Southampton deal fall through", replied "there were too many fingers in the pie, and they walked away. FIFA are all over international transfers and Vitesse Arnhem have been warned before" Dont know what this meant or what was implied, but defo said it fell through because we walked away. Then said that he has been told he will have to play in the res for a year, while Utd work on his game, but he heard that from his father as the Man Utd machine had clicked into gear and he was not allowed to say anything, until he's unvieled. Which he thought would be Fri. Then said "you can normally tell which Dutch players will do well in England". One of H & J then said "well we can make out what you think of him". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Perfectly logical. What isn't logical is banging on about challenging for the title then signing players from te championship. What's also not logical is holding a chairman to ransom against everything he says. A side from the fact that I think he only said that top 10 would be the aim this season, most chairmen bang on about Europe, ambition, doing more than just surviving etc. Difference is, most mong fans have a sense of realism and don't let it get to them like some do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Perfectly logical. What isn't logical is banging on about challenging for the title then signing players from te championship. Can you please point me in the direction of where NC says challenging for the title this season? I thought it was aspirational as and when we get a balance of home grown talent and new signings myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Ok, let's just take a breather here for a second. I think a hell of a lot is being lost in translation here, it's easy for things to sound ''certain'' when it's not in translation. Let's basically go through what we know for sure. 1 - the player wants to join saints 2 - we have agreed contract length and terms with the player 3 - Bolonga want 15m euro's 4 - There is a discrepancy how we pay the money, in terms of over a period of time 5 - Spurs and Liverpool have signed (or are looking at) alternative targets 6 - Gaston has all but burnt bridges at Bolonga, they are looking at alternative players and want to reinvest the money All in all - I don't think much has changed today. As we edge nearer the window we will get a clearer picture. It's clear that Bolonga are mucking around a bit as they are in the strong position at the moment, but as we get closer to the end of the window you have to think that we have the stronger hand. They have no better offers, the player wants to go and they want the money. Nothing is decided either way yet, let's wait and see. As ever a good summary. Should probably be a sticky on this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Ok, let's just take a breather here for a second. I think a hell of a lot is being lost in translation here, it's easy for things to sound ''certain'' when it's not in translation. Let's basically go through what we know for sure. 1 - the player wants to join saints 2 - we have agreed contract length and terms with the player 3 - Bolonga want 15m euro's 4 - There is a discrepancy how we pay the money, in terms of over a period of time 5 - Spurs and Liverpool have signed (or are looking at) alternative targets 6 - Gaston has all but burnt bridges at Bolonga, they are looking at alternative players and want to reinvest the money All in all - I don't think much has changed today. As we edge nearer the window we will get a clearer picture. It's clear that Bolonga are mucking around a bit as they are in the strong position at the moment, but as we get closer to the end of the window you have to think that we have the stronger hand. They have no better offers, the player wants to go and they want the money. Nothing is decided either way yet, let's wait and see. 7 - The remainder goes to Penarol. 8 - He drinks ice tea. 9 - His agent drinks coffee. 10 - They were surprised to see a wild pony eating the flowers in the hotel garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 What's also not logical is holding a chairman to ransom against everything he says. A side from the fact that I think he only said that top 10 would be the aim this season, most chairmen bang on about Europe, ambition, doing more than just surviving etc. Difference is, most mong fans have a sense of realism and don't let it get to them like some do. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Will sign for Spurs tomorrow no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 7 - The remainder goes to Penarol. 8 - He drinks ice tea. 9 - His agent drinks coffee. 10 - They were surprised to see a wild pony eating the flowers in the hotel garden. Forgot the Coffee bit - most important part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Will sign for Spurs tomorrow . Hypo in ****LOOK AT ME**** post shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Ok, let's just take a breather here for a second. 3 - Bolonga want 15m euro's see. Bolonga, him want heap plenty Euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bensfcno1 Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 People moaning about now getting the deal done quickly are of their head. Cortese will try and do whats best for the club, but when we try and sign someone, the players club and agent will do whats best for them, ie. get the most money and best deal at the best club. Buttner was happy to sign but as said in the talk sport interview, too many complications meant Cortese didnt like the deal so walked away. The agent is the same with Ramirez this time, he has a deal in principle with saints but will try and promote his player to a bigger club and more money if possible before the saints deal is signed, the same is said for Bolgna who will wait as long as possible to see if they can get a better deal else where or for Saints to panic and accpet Bolgna's demands. Even with all this talk, it could be speculation and we could just be being used by club, player and agent to get interest from 'bigger' clubs, with no intention of signing for us. Hope it goes through and we sign at least one CB before 31st! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 (edited) Ok, let's just take a breather here for a second. I think a hell of a lot is being lost in translation here, it's easy for things to sound ''certain'' when it's not in translation. Let's basically go through what we know for sure. 1 - the player wants to join saints 2 - we have agreed contract length and terms with the player 3 - Bolonga want 15m euro's 4 - There is a discrepancy how we pay the money, in terms of over a period of time 5 - Spurs and Liverpool have signed (or are looking at) alternative targets 6 - Gaston has all but burnt bridges at Bolonga, they are looking at alternative players and want to reinvest the money All in all - I don't think much has changed today. As we edge nearer the window we will get a clearer picture. It's clear that Bolonga are mucking around a bit as they are in the strong position at the moment, but as we get closer to the end of the window you have to think that we have the stronger hand. They have no better offers, the player wants to go and they want the money. Nothing is decided either way yet, let's wait and see. This sounds spot on to me Edited 21 August, 2012 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 This is getting bloody stupid now! Gustavo D. Palacios@guspalacios7 El #Southampton está cerca de completar el pase de Gastón Ramírez uruguayo que estaba en #SerieA su precio es 18 MDL #MercadoFutbol #EPL Gustavo D. Palacios @ guspalacios7 The # Southampton is close to completing the pass Uruguayan Gaston Ramirez was in # seriea its price is 18 MDL # MercadoFutbol # EPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 (edited) I'm not criticising Saints But if a Club, any Club could offer Euro Football NOW, the player would opt for that And if a player, any player received such info from any Club, that, in my book is "Tapping up" Please don't say that you think this never happens. Buttner couldn't wait to get here .............. but he aint here is he ?? The same thing COULD happen to Ramirez Man U did their deal QUICKLY, that's the key In future, we MUST get our man quickly, before other vultures hone in on the carcass of failed negotiations Read above. "We walked away" presumably when people wanting a piece of the action started popping out of the woodwork. COrtese is not the type to tolerate that. I was fairly convinced that the deal was dead when I first heard that. I don't believe that Utd had anything to do with the deal failing - it was dead in the water anyway. Edited 21 August, 2012 by St_Tel49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 This is getting bloody stupid now! Gustavo D. Palacios@guspalacios7 El #Southampton está cerca de completar el pase de Gastón Ramírez uruguayo que estaba en #SerieA su precio es 18 MDL #MercadoFutbol #EPL Gustavo D. Palacios @ guspalacios7 The # Southampton is close to completing the pass Uruguayan Gaston Ramirez was in # seriea its price is 18 MDL # MercadoFutbol # EPL I wish we knew which of these Italian journos actually have credible sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 You really can't take your eye of this one! Spend a couple of hours doing some of that, oh, what's it called...... oh yes. Work. And now on return things have completely swung back around again. I do love football, the eternal soap opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Assuming he's still gotta have a medical, hope it doesn't show up his glass knee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Assuming he's still gotta have a medical, hope it doesn't show up his glass knee! Who know's he's the most fouled player in Serie A, the fifth most in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Justmike is going to ban twitter updates from SWF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Does anyone else, admittedly myself included. Feel like a ***** for checking this every 2minutes to see if a man has signed for us? That is valuable red tube time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 This is getting bloody stupid now! Gustavo D. Palacios@guspalacios7 El #Southampton está cerca de completar el pase de Gastón Ramírez uruguayo que estaba en #SerieA su precio es 18 MDL #MercadoFutbol #EPL Gustavo D. Palacios @ guspalacios7 The # Southampton is close to completing the pass Uruguayan Gaston Ramirez was in # seriea its price is 18 MDL # MercadoFutbol # EPL This guy is probably just a step behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 This guy is probably just a step behind. Or ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Game over. http://www.ansa.it/ansalatina/notizie/rubriche/goooleada/20120821163535457096.html Southampton froze Ramirez pass MILAN, 21 (ANSA) - Pass the Uruguayan Gaston Ramirez was congleado Southampton after Bologna again rejected the payment terms offered by the English club. The President returned to Italy Albano Guaraldi "empty handed" after rejecting the payment of 15 million euros would cost the signing. Bologna's position is determined by the arrangement at the time of transfer Ramirez signed with Penarol and requires payment of 30 percent of that figure to Uruguayan club and his agent, plus 5 percent for the call "solidarity fund "for intercontinental passes. Southampton would have remained firm in his proposal to settle the transaction in four installments (the first immediate and certain consistency), which ran into the president's refusal expressed as Guaraldi, when missing a few days to close the Italian book of passes . YXG / ACZ 21/08/2012 16:35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Hypo in ****LOOK AT ME**** post shocker Lets wait and see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Does anyone else, admittedly myself included. Feel like a ***** for checking this every 2minutes to see if a man has signed for us? That is valuable red tube time! Yep but it is complicated given we have to sign Skacel first, in order to include him in a swap + cash deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Game over. http://www.ansa.it/ansalatina/notizie/rubriche/goooleada/20120821163535457096.html Southampton froze Ramirez pass MILAN, 21 (ANSA) - Pass the Uruguayan Gaston Ramirez was congleado Southampton after Bologna again rejected the payment terms offered by the English club. The President returned to Italy Albano Guaraldi "empty handed" after rejecting the payment of 15 million euros would cost the signing. Bologna's position is determined by the arrangement at the time of transfer Ramirez signed with Penarol and requires payment of 30 percent of that figure to Uruguayan club and his agent, plus 5 percent for the call "solidarity fund "for intercontinental passes. Southampton would have remained firm in his proposal to settle the transaction in four installments (the first immediate and certain consistency), which ran into the president's refusal expressed as Guaraldi, when missing a few days to close the Italian book of passes . YXG / ACZ 21/08/2012 16:35 This is the same source that said last night it was done. As yet no agreement, but there might be eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 I wish we knew which of these Italian journos actually have credible sources. Spanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Fair play to Lawro. Knows his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Fair play to Lawro. Knows his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Who know's he's the most fouled player in Serie A, the fifth most in Europe. Ooo, I smell Lambo time from the penalty spot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Game over. http://www.ansa.it/ansalatina/notizie/rubriche/goooleada/20120821163535457096.html Southampton froze Ramirez pass MILAN, 21 (ANSA) - Pass the Uruguayan Gaston Ramirez was congleado Southampton after Bologna again rejected the payment terms offered by the English club. The President returned to Italy Albano Guaraldi "empty handed" after rejecting the payment of 15 million euros would cost the signing. Bologna's position is determined by the arrangement at the time of transfer Ramirez signed with Penarol and requires payment of 30 percent of that figure to Uruguayan club and his agent, plus 5 percent for the call "solidarity fund "for intercontinental passes. Southampton would have remained firm in his proposal to settle the transaction in four installments (the first immediate and certain consistency), which ran into the president's refusal expressed as Guaraldi, when missing a few days to close the Italian book of passes . YXG / ACZ 21/08/2012 16:35 How many times has that been posted in this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Game over. http://www.ansa.it/ansalatina/notizie/rubriche/goooleada/20120821163535457096.html Southampton froze Ramirez pass MILAN, 21 (ANSA) - Pass the Uruguayan Gaston Ramirez was congleado Southampton after Bologna again rejected the payment terms offered by the English club. The President returned to Italy Albano Guaraldi "empty handed" after rejecting the payment of 15 million euros would cost the signing. Bologna's position is determined by the arrangement at the time of transfer Ramirez signed with Penarol and requires payment of 30 percent of that figure to Uruguayan club and his agent, plus 5 percent for the call "solidarity fund "for intercontinental passes. Southampton would have remained firm in his proposal to settle the transaction in four installments (the first immediate and certain consistency), which ran into the president's refusal expressed as Guaraldi, when missing a few days to close the Italian book of passes . YXG / ACZ 21/08/2012 16:35 And there we go, can we concentrate on bringing in some defenders who'll keep us in the league now please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Fair play to Lawro. Knows his stuff. I never know if your on the wind up or not, this deserves a poll I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 We have to face facts. His club, his agent and him, have no loyalty to saints. If his club can squeeze a few more euros out of us, then that's best for them. How would we feel if NC took the first offer for a player without trying to get extra for us. The extra will obviously trickle down to the agent, and if they can get a Spurs or Liverpool involved then thats better for him. Whether we like it or not, they are bigger clubs. His agent will have other clients and will also want future clients, to move a player onto a Spurs or Liverpool will look better on the agents CV when approching other players. I'm sure the player himself would rather sign for Liverpool or Spurs, in exactly the same way I'm sure Phillips would rather sign for us than Wigan. At the end of the day the only person involved in the whole thing who has saints best interest at heart is NC, we should trust him to do what he can to get the deal done, but some things will be out of his hands. The days of locking players in rooms until they sign are long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Fair play to Lawro. Knows his stuff. You seem to have changed your tune. Who told you he was off to Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 This guy is probably just a step behind. or "One Step Beyond " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 At the end of the day, if paying them up front the figure they want means we can't get the CB we want then screw it, walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 I never know if your on the wind up or not, this deserves a poll I feel. I like that ambiguity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bensfcno1 Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 TBF it might be better for the new OS that we dont sign anyone as I dont think it will be able to handle the traffic and will go into meltdown for a few days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 The funny thing is that we've gone from a feed saying it's done (20mins ago) to one now saying it's off. Basically, alot of this is rehashed. No one really knows yet. Let's just wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 Ramirez is average anyway otherwise better teams with better Chairman would be interested, teams with their own radio stations and famed catering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 And Nixon still thinks it'll go through! He must have some pretty decent information as every other piece of info is against him at this moment in time! @reluctantnicko: @Jayrodfan2 @danbsfc Bologna want a sale. U want to buy him. Players seems fine with terms. It's called 'negotiation.' @reluctantnicko: @danbsfc Deals go on like this all the time. Don't stress. Let Bologna guy and his bank manager think what 12m means ... and wait for call. @reluctantnicko: @Jayrodfan2 @danbsfc It's what clubs do. Leak there's a snag. Hope for interest. Maybe expect a few more quid. Yawn .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 21 August, 2012 Share Posted 21 August, 2012 LOL .... 52 pages and we are still none the wiser. Class. Making Rudigate look like a stroll in the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now