Gaston Ramirez - Signs 4 Year Deal

[Saint Charlie]

I'm not worried, it looks like a great signing but I wouldn't lose sleep if we failed with it. All the whispers seem promising but I for one won't believe it's definite until it's announced by the club and Bologna and Penarol. As I said before Buttner was reported in the press as a done deal and it wasn't. The way football is these days I wouldn't put it past a player like Ramirez making the wages we have offered public to let his other suitors know what he'll be happy with should they fancy coming back in with another offer.

 

Some managers and chairmen can be so knee jerk with their signings. That's why I was gutted Liverpool started the season so badly. I am half expecting a late bid from them. Suarez obviously wants his mate there.

 

True - you never know til its signed - thats why we need to get it done ASAP and sounds like Cortese is trying to do that today.

 

Liverpool fans on Twitter still hopeful of signing him, and they might have an interest now Sahin looks to be off to Arsenal.

[Saint Garrett]

Unfortunately for much of testerday's match the 'hole' seemed to be situated in CM.

 

No surprise though as we were obviously going to be on the back foot. Lallana isn't disciplined enough to play CM and with JWP only being 17, I wouldn't want to rely on him despite him being very impressive. Cant see Hammond or Chaplow getting much of a game and also wouldnt be surprised if atleast one of them went before the end of the transfer window.

[Georgie]

I'm assuming @Transfer Clockwatch on Twitter isn't reliable? Posted at 1:11am today - "Gaston Ramirez's move to Southampton will be cut short as Liverpool have made an improved offer"

[Matthew Le God]

Lallana isn't being played as a CM though - where did you get that idea from?

 

By watching the friendlies and watching the game yesterday.

 

He's playing 'in the hole' - v.different from Morgan, Cork, JWP and Davis who have greater defensive responsibilities.

 

No he isn't. We played like this yesterday...

 

               K.Davis

Clyne     Fonte      Hooiveld     Fox

            Schneiderlin

      Ward-Prowse     Lallana


Puncheon                     Rodriguez

              Do Prado

 

Like we have throughout pre-season. If Lallana were playing "in the hole", you can't really call it a 433 can you? Schneiderlin sits very deep as the holding midfielder just in front of the centre backs, Ward-Prowse and Lallana in front of him and are expected to support the central striker, but the main formation is still as shown above.

Edited 20 August, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[Saint Jude]

according to Mark Lawrenson there is no way Ramirez will sign for us. "Definitely Won't Happen"....

 

Now more than ever I want iot to happen, so we can post the clip back...

[Lord Duckhunter]

according to Mark Lawrenson there is no way Ramirez will sign for us. "Definitely Won't Happen"....

 

Now more than ever I want iot to happen, so we can post the clip back...

 

Didn't Lawerenson say he would run naked down Bristol high street if Richard Dryden was in the Saints team at the end of the season? He was and Lawro bottled it.

[Glasgow_Saint]

according to Mark Lawrenson there is no way Ramirez will sign for us. "Definitely Won't Happen"....

 

Now more than ever I want iot to happen, so we can post the clip back...

 

Where have you seen these comments?

[sotonjoe]

TBH, I will be mightily disappointed if he is unveiled as a Liverpool player in a few day's time after they agree a deal for a million euro more.

[Minty]

Where have you seen these comments?

 

Twas on MOTD3 earlier: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19314163

[beavis17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19314163

 

6:40...

[SaintRichmond]

TBH, I will be mightily disappointed if he is unveiled as a Liverpool player in a few day's time after they agree a deal for a million euro more.

 

Another Buttner deal gone "wrong" ??

[Dr Octopus]

I hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling were being used to put him in the shop window.

[This Charming Man]

TBH, I will be mightily disappointed if he is unveiled as a Liverpool player in a few day's time after they agree a deal for a million euro more.

 

Liverpool never made a bid. Would be strange if they came back in now considering the price has since gone up.

[View From The Top]

I hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling were being used to put him in the shop window.

 

Correct. We are merely the hare IMHO.

[maysie]

Twas on MOTD3 earlier: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19314163

 

3:40, what the hell is that weird accent Colin Murray is putting on.

[SaintRichmond]

Correct. We are merely the hare IMHO.

 

 

Hare today, and (the player) gone tomorrow

[shurlock]

By watching the friendlies and watching the game yesterday.

 

 

 

No he isn't. We played like this yesterday...

 

               K.Davis

Clyne     Fonte      Hooiveld     Fox

            Schneiderlin

      Ward-Prowse     Lallana


Puncheon                     Rodriguez

              Do Prado

 

Like we have throughout pre-season. If Lallana were playing "in the hole", you can't really call it a 433 can you? Schneiderlin sits very deep as the holding midfielder just in front of the centre backs, Ward-Prowse and Lallana in front of him and are expected to support the central striker, but the main formation is still as shown above.

 

Well that doesn't tally with what NA or Crosby have been saying- they have spoken about moving Lallana to give him more freedom. JWP and Lallana aren't doing the same job as you imply. If anything JWP is more akin to Morgan and has greater defensive responsibilities.

[Matthew Le God]

Well that doesn't tally with what NA or Crosby have been saying- they have spoken about moving Lallana to give him more freedom.

 

Crosby said to get him on the ball more. Playing him in the centre gets him more involved.

 

What it does tie in with is watching our games this summer, in friendlies and yesterday.

 

JWP and Lallana aren't doing the same job as you imply. If anything JWP is more akin to Morgan and has greater defensive responsibilities.

 

Yesterday (as he has most of the summer), Schneiderlin sat alot deeper than the other central midfielders. He is the holding midfielder, then he had Lallana and Ward-Prowse in front of him who are expected to both defend and also break forward to support the striker and wide players. What you describe is not a 433, Adkins even refers to the system we have been using as 433.

[slickmick]

Crosby said to get him on the ball more. Playing him in the centre gets him more involved.

 

What it does tie in with is watching our games this summer, in friendlies and yesterday.

 

 

 

Yesterday (as he has most of the summer), Schneiderlin sat alot deeper than the other central midfielders. He is the holding midfielder, then he had Lallana and Ward-Prowse in front of him who are expected to both defend and also break forward to support the striker and wide players. What you describe is not a 433, Adkins even refers to the system we have been using as 433.

 

I've come on here to see if there's any news on Ramirez and all I've got is you trying to get the last word about where Lallana plays.

[Noodles34]

I've come on here to see if there's any news on Ramirez and all I've got is you trying to get the last word about where Lallana plays.

 

this

[Matthew Le God]

I've come on here to see if there's any news on Ramirez and all I've got is you trying to get the last word about where Lallana plays.

 

this

 

Odd you picked up for this, but not the posts I was responding to...

 

If it bothers you that much, put me on your ignore list and stop complaining.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Why is there no handbag smiley thing?

[Minty]

Odd you picked up for this, but not the posts I was responding to...

 

If it bothers you that much, put me on your ignore list and stop complaining.

 

It was quite clearly referrign to the whole conversation, not just you, and yours was the most recent reply, hence the quote. I wouldn't get so precious. It was a valid point.

 

So back to Ramirez, it seems all that has happened is that we're back to where we would've been had the player not said anything in the first place, i.e. there is lots going on in the background that none of us know about and we just need to wait and see.

[skintsaint]

Was hoping for the deal to have gone through by now...dammit, more waiting!

[yorkie]

Modern technology must be responsible for hours of lost work!

Once upon a time the first time you heard or knew anything about new players was when they signed. Now with the internet virtually every nose wipe is reported and takes up too much time!

IF ONLY I COULD IGNORE IT!

[The9]

Lallana isn't being played as a CM though - where did you get that idea from? He's playing 'in the hole' - v.different from Morgan, Cork, JWP and Davis who have greater defensive responsibilities.

 

Lallana was doing a hell of a lot of defending yesterday, far more than he was doing on the ball.

[mulletsaint]

It was quite clearly referrign to the whole conversation, not just you, and yours was the most recent reply, hence the quote. I wouldn't get so precious. It was a valid point.

 

So back to Ramirez, it seems all that has happened is that we're back to where we would've been had the player not said anything in the first place, i.e. there is lots going on in the background that none of us know about and we just need to wait and see.

 

Sorry Minty, I think on the whole you seem quite good at inserting some calming words and realism into some of the arguments on here, but this time you may have got it wrong. Read very much to me like he was having a pop at MLG when there were more voices than just his involved in the discussion, mine included.

 

I know it's a pain when threads go off topic but no need for people to get aggressive when pointing it out.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Lallana played LM yesterday hth

[mulletsaint]

lallana played lm yesterday hth

 

wum.

[Lifelongsaint83]

I still have my doubts the we will sign Ramirez, but I will say if he wants a club with decent fans with ambition and a bright future....He should not choose Liverpool!

[Minty]

Sorry Minty, I think on the whole you seem quite good at inserting some calming words and realism into some of the arguments on here, but this time you may have got it wrong. Read very much to me like he was having a pop at MLG when there were more voices than just his involved in the discussion, mine included.

 

Actually, reading it back you're right, I misread the bit about 'the last word' but here I am taking it even more off-topic by replying so I'll stop being a hypocrite now and leave it!!!

[Saint Garrett]

So has the italian press mentioned anything today? I don't know how some people find the links to the stories !!

[Edmonton Saint]

I have a bad feeling about this..

[niceandfriendly]

I know it's a pain when threads go off topic but no need for people to get aggressive when pointing it out.

"I've come on here to see if there's any news on Ramirez and all I've got is you trying to get the last word about where Lallana plays. " what exactly is aggressive about that?

[latter day saint]

I have a bad feeling about this..

[Surman4no7shirt]

So has the italian press mentioned anything today? I don't know how some people find the links to the stories !!

 

From La Gazzetta Dello Sport (fairly reputable) at 11:05 this morning:

 

"11.05 — Situazione Ramirez. Ore decisive per la cessione di Gaston Ramirez. Il presidente del Bologna, Guaraldi, ha interrotto le vacanze in Sardegna ed è volato in compagnia del d.g. Zanzi a Southampton, dove i due ritroveranno l’agente dell’uruguaiano, Bentancourt. Per chiudere il club inglese deve sborsare subito 15 milioni oppure pagare una maxirata e dilazionare nel tempo altri 5-7 milioni. La trattativa dovrebbe andare a buon fine, al giocatore 10 milioni in 4 anni. (Nicola Zanarini)"

 

Roughly:

 

 

"Situation Ramirez: Decision time for the sale of Gaston Ramirez. The President of Bologna, Guaraldi, interrupted his holidays in Sardinia to fly to Southampton with [delegate] Zanzi, where they met the player's Uruguayan agent, Bentancourt. To close the deal the English club must immediately pay €15 million or pay a balloon payment and then another €5-7 million within a specified time. The negotiations should be successful, the player will earn €10 million over four years. (Nicola Zanarini)"

[Colinjb]

I have a bad feeling about this..

 

Silence is golden, means the focus is on getting it done rather then needlessly talking.

[Smirking_Saint]

Keep the faith....

[Saint Charlie]

From La Gazzetta Dello Sport (fairly reputable) at 11:05 this morning:

 

"11.05 — Situazione Ramirez. Ore decisive per la cessione di Gaston Ramirez. Il presidente del Bologna, Guaraldi, ha interrotto le vacanze in Sardegna ed è volato in compagnia del d.g. Zanzi a Southampton, dove i due ritroveranno l’agente dell’uruguaiano, Bentancourt. Per chiudere il club inglese deve sborsare subito 15 milioni oppure pagare una maxirata e dilazionare nel tempo altri 5-7 milioni. La trattativa dovrebbe andare a buon fine, al giocatore 10 milioni in 4 anni. (Nicola Zanarini)"

 

Roughly:

 

 

"Situation Ramirez: Decision time for the sale of Gaston Ramirez. The President of Bologna, Guaraldi, interrupted his holidays in Sardinia to fly to Southampton with [delegate] Zanzi, where they met the player's Uruguayan agent, Bentancourt. To close the deal the English club must immediately pay €15 million or pay a balloon payment and then another €5-7 million within a specified time. The negotiations should be successful, the player will earn €10 million over four years. (Nicola Zanarini)"

 

Clearly advanced talks...in everyones interest to get it done. Tomorrow will be key - the longer it goes unsigned after tomorrow the less likely it is I reckon.

 

With the player already aligned it all hinges on whether we can agree with Bologna and Penarol.

[Saint Garrett]

Still confident it will get done. patience...

[Joey-deacons-left-nut]

So their chief exec has come HERE to talk?? They sound pretty desperate to make a deal to me...

[Colinjb]

So their chief exec has come HERE to talk?? They sound pretty desperate to make a deal to me...

 

Money shall be exchanged in briefcase format. Very italian.

[Surman4no7shirt]

Sorry I translated the last sentence wrong, instead of:

 

"The negotiations should be successful, the player will earn €10 million over four years"

 

It should read:

 

"Should the negotiations be successful, the player will earn €10 million over four years"

[Saint Garrett]

bout £38k/week then.

[SaintRichmond]

TBH, I will be mightily disappointed if he is unveiled as a Liverpool player in a few day's time after they agree a deal for a million euro more.

 

Gazzumped by Man U ... (Buttner), and it now looks likely, Gazzumped by Liverpool .... (Ramirez)

 

Just goes to show that, outside of Southampton, just how low down the pecking order BIG signings are for PL Newcomers

[Saint Charlie]

Latest update/summary:

 

Tancredi Palmeri ‏@tancredipalmeri

Ramirez: deal was basically done,but his interview drove mad Bologna mgmt.Today Southampton and Bologna on meeting in England 1/2

 

2/2 Ramirez: what still missing? 3 more millions for Bologna and payment of 50% of the total within 2012. Percentage of success: 90%

[Saint Charlie]

Gazzumped by Man U ... (Buttner), and it now looks likely, Gazzumped by Liverpool .... (Ramirez)

 

Just goes to show that, outside of Southampton, just how low down the pecking order BIG signings are for PL Newcomers

 

FFS How were we gazumped by man Utd for Buttner? We pulled out ages ago!

[supersonic]

All sounds very promising, £3m more and extra pay ons isn't overly a deal breaker you'd think

[MOSaint]

We weren't gazzumped for Buttner. We ****canned the deal because his dad was being a greedy git. No idea where yo are getting the idea we've been gazzumped by liverpool for Ramirez.

[slickmick]

From La Gazzetta Dello Sport (fairly reputable) at 11:05 this morning:

 

"11.05 — Situazione Ramirez. Ore decisive per la cessione di Gaston Ramirez. Il presidente del Bologna, Guaraldi, ha interrotto le vacanze in Sardegna ed è volato in compagnia del d.g. Zanzi a Southampton, dove i due ritroveranno l’agente dell’uruguaiano, Bentancourt. Per chiudere il club inglese deve sborsare subito 15 milioni oppure pagare una maxirata e dilazionare nel tempo altri 5-7 milioni. La trattativa dovrebbe andare a buon fine, al giocatore 10 milioni in 4 anni. (Nicola Zanarini)"

 

Roughly:

 

 

"Situation Ramirez: Decision time for the sale of Gaston Ramirez. The President of Bologna, Guaraldi, interrupted his holidays in Sardinia to fly to Southampton with [delegate] Zanzi, where they met the player's Uruguayan agent, Bentancourt. To close the deal the English club must immediately pay €15 million or pay a balloon payment and then another €5-7 million within a specified time. The negotiations should be successful, the player will earn €10 million over four years. (Nicola Zanarini)"

 

 

Reckon it will all be done and dusted before the end of day.