Gaston Ramirez - Signs 4 Year Deal

[for_heaven's_Saint]

not sure if already posted but...http://bologna.repubblica.it/sport/2012/08/17/news/quindici_milioni_al_club_tre_a_gaston_il_southampton_bussa_forte_a_casteldebole-41075752/

 

Basically talking about how they'd need to reinvest the money from Ramirez into the team.

[Tokyo-Saint]

The latestest from Italy is that the cup is in the nest and set to ride the donkey into the fishing pool. Gaston Ramirez (23) is said to have been given a favourable impressession from the chirpy scouse head coach as well as been seduced by the lure of the strong Stirling pound and a DVD showing possible the way of the expansion of the stadium. "I am greatly impressed and so is my mothers and her children's. This is now the stage where I will give birth this season" said an excited Gaston. My heart is always for Italy, the fans, the music, the dance, and the little dishes of smelly cheese that you receive as a free gift when wasting in the restaurants. I have to give special thanks for this and so do my future success. Now is my time to repay chirpy scouse man and DVD player. I am looking forward to my time with Southampton. They have one of the finest mong boards in Europe. The rEmainder is set for penarol.

 

More up dates tomorrow folks.

[LiamSFC]

The latestest from Italy is that the cup is in the nest and set to ride the donkey into the fishing pool. Gaston Ramirez (23) is said to have been given a favourable impressession from the chirpy scouse head coach as well as been seduced by the lure of the strong Stirling pound and a DVD showing possible the way of the expansion of the stadium. "I am greatly impressed and so is my mothers and her children's. This is now the stage where I will give birth this season" said an excited Gaston. My heart is always for Italy, the fans, the music, the dance, and the little dishes of smelly cheese that you receive as a free gift when wasting in the restaurants. I have to give special thanks for this and so do my future success. Now is my time to repay chirpy scouse man and DVD player. I am looking forward to my time with Southampton. They have one of the finest mong boards in Europe. The rEmainder is set for penarol.

 

More up dates tomorrow folks.

 

[The9]

I swear all you ever do is bang on about Lambert. We all know he's good, y'know?

 

Does that first apostrophe represent "wa"?

[The9]

I want to know more about the Beavers of Varese.

[Lighthouse]

Does that first apostrophe represent "wa"?

 

ywaknow?

[The9]

ywaknow?

 

Got my edit in before you replied... Good good...

[Danbert]

The latestest from Italy is that the cup is in the nest and set to ride the donkey into the fishing pool. Gaston Ramirez (23) is said to have been given a favourable impressession from the chirpy scouse head coach as well as been seduced by the lure of the strong Stirling pound and a DVD showing possible the way of the expansion of the stadium. "I am greatly impressed and so is my mothers and her children's. This is now the stage where I will give birth this season" said an excited Gaston. My heart is always for Italy, the fans, the music, the dance, and the little dishes of smelly cheese that you receive as a free gift when wasting in the restaurants. I have to give special thanks for this and so do my future success. Now is my time to repay chirpy scouse man and DVD player. I am looking forward to my time with Southampton. They have one of the finest mong boards in Europe. The rEmainder is set for penarol.

 

More up dates tomorrow folks.

 

First time I have really giggled at something I read on here :-) I think it helps being stoned :-)

[Norm]

Bologna have ruled out winger Gaston Ramirez moving to Southampton for £11.8m, saying it will take £16m to prise him away.

 

Full story: the Times

[Cascadia Saint]

The latestest from Italy is that the cup is in the nest and set to ride the donkey into the fishing pool. Gaston Ramirez (23) is said to have been given a favourable impressession from the chirpy scouse head coach as well as been seduced by the lure of the strong Stirling pound and a DVD showing possible the way of the expansion of the stadium. "I am greatly impressed and so is my mothers and her children's. This is now the stage where I will give birth this season" said an excited Gaston. My heart is always for Italy, the fans, the music, the dance, and the little dishes of smelly cheese that you receive as a free gift when wasting in the restaurants. I have to give special thanks for this and so do my future success. Now is my time to repay chirpy scouse man and DVD player. I am looking forward to my time with Southampton. They have one of the finest mong boards in Europe. The rEmainder is set for penarol.

 

More up dates tomorrow folks.

 

Haha! Awesome work.

[Red and White Army]

Didn't say he wouldn't be, but let's not pretend that we can mix it with the big boys in the transfer market.

 

Lol you mong.

[theyin]

Is the use of the term 'mong' necessary?

Not sure if it is an i'net abbreviation or the school playground slating of the 70's but it is truly offensive to a section of society whom I would think a significant minority on here may well have some family ties to.

Get a grip kids.

[Tamesaint]

Is the use of the term 'mong' necessary?

Not sure if it is an i'net abbreviation or the school playground slating of the 70's but it is truly offensive to a section of society whom I would think a significant minority on here may well have some family ties to.

Get a grip kids.

 

+1.

[sotonist]

Yesterday morning the offer came. The Southampton, english club newcomers in Premiership after 7 years in the second division, wants to Ramirez and offers to the club 15 million for the 70% of the player and about 3 million euro of engagement to Gaston. Therefore 15 million net that will ultimately result in the short, in two tranches, into the coffers of the club. The remaining 30% belongs to Peñarol, who will discuss with Southampton. Which means that the player is evaluated approximately 21 million.

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That's the clincher for me.

[itchen_dan]

Wouldn't write this one off just yet

 

http://www.francefootball.fr/#!/news/2012/08/18/091108_ramirez-pas-encore-a-southampton.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

Ramirez still in Southampton

 

Friday in Southampton, Gaston Ramirez is not yet a saint. If the Uruguay international has reached an agreement with the English club side Bologna is said to be far from finding a financial agreement. The Italians require payment in cash of the full transfer of approximately 15 million euros (excluding bonuses), while the English, they want to spread over three years. (Photo Press-Sport)

[JustMike]

Is the use of the term 'mong' necessary?

Not sure if it is an i'net abbreviation or the school playground slating of the 70's but it is truly offensive to a section of society whom I would think a significant minority on here may well have some family ties to.

Get a grip kids.

 

you have a point, lets be nice chaps

 

Lol you mong.

[Avenue Saint]

That's the clincher for me.

 

I did read that and think ok, we must have gone back with which they're now content, but it's difficult to truly grasp the actual point of the message through these translation things?

 

I'm hopeful yet...

[itchen_dan]

@Marcotti: Sky Italia reporting that hold up of Ramirez to Southampton deal has to do with method of payment (installments v lump sum).

 

@Marcotti: Sky Italia also reporting that there is an issue with fact that 30 pct of Gaston Ramirez owned by 3rd party.

 

@ConorSwain: @Marcotti Is this 30% his previous club, Penarol? Or is it anther club in Italy as part of the co-ownership they have over there?

 

@Marcotti: @ConorSwain Some have reported it's Penarol, others that it's a fund controlled by his agent, Betancourt

 

@Marcotti: @NewmanElly Not really. Soton needs to buy out the 3rd party owners for the PL to allow registration.

[thorpie the sinner]

you have a point, lets be nice chaps

 

Can I just say welcome Sir JustMike!

[Avenue Saint]

you have a point, lets be nice chaps

 

Guess congrats in order there Mike ;-)

[JustMike]

Can I just say welcome Sir JustMike!

 

haha thanks My first mod duty

[Saint Charlie]

Its very rare that a transfer fee of that size is ever paid upfront. This will rumble on.

[northam soul]

So basically we either stump up a few million more or forget it.

It was much easier in the old days as you first agreed the deal with the club and then once you had spoken to the plyer he either liked the deal or not.

Thats two deals this summer now where the player is convinced he is joining with terms agreed (supposedly) and then all seems to go pear shaped for one reason or another.

Did spurs agree a fee for him to reject their wage offer then ? I am concerned this deal will now die as spending the amount of money we were was a surprise but to then have to up it by a few more million i just dont see happening.

[Maggie May]

@Marcotti: @NewmanElly Not really. Soton needs to buy out the 3rd party owners for the PL to allow registration.

 

Game over.

[Saint Charlie]

Game over.

 

Saints would have known this before negotiations began. Ramirez piped up about the move but sounded yesterday like NA knew it was ongoing.

[H]

haha thanks My first mod duty

 

And you executed it excellently mate. Good luck btw ... reckon you're gonna be busy on Sunday evening.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

As earlier reported it all seems to be about installments.

 

I think the fact that Ramirez has cut ties will result with Bologna's hand being forced to agreeing to our terms, or at least a compromise to it over a couple of years.

 

This seems to be our tactic, we agree terms with the the player before a full deal is agreed, (just agreed in principle) release comments to the press and then try to agree a better deal than first agreed (whether through installments etc).

[Turkish]

As earlier reported it all seems to be about installments.

 

I think the fact that Ramirez has cut ties will result with Bologna's hand being forced to agreeing to our terms, or at least a compromise to it over a couple of years.

 

This seems to be our tactic, we agree terms with the the player before a full deal is agreed, (just agreed in principle) release comments to the press and then try to agree a better deal than first agreed (whether through installments etc).

 

just like Buttner.

[Turkish]

you have a point, lets be nice chaps

 

Drunk on the power already I see.

[thorpie the sinner]

Interesting to see if Ramirez plays for Bologna tonight? can't see how he can do tbf

[itchen_dan]

The only main issue is that Bologna want to reinvest the money back into the team. The obviously cant do that with only €5m per year. If they had more like €10m euros upfront with another €5m or €8m in instalments, we'd be much closer to agreeing than we are now.

[JustMike]

Drunk on the power already I see.

 

no, if I was drunk on the power, i would have issued infractions / warning / banning / beheading etc etc

[max_saints]

FFS its p!ssing me off reading the comments from ignorant fans of the big clubs on 'ramirez to southampton' articles.

 

Totally understand why the club wants its transfer dealings done in private before being announced now. We're going to look stupid like West Ham, throwing cash at top players who wouldn't come, if this falls through. (albeit the difference being the players actually do want to come to our club except for... whatever the hitch is)

[shurlock]

Wouldn't write this one off just yet

 

http://www.francefootball.fr/#!/news/2012/08/18/091108_ramirez-pas-encore-a-southampton.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

Ramirez still in Southampton

 

Friday in Southampton, Gaston Ramirez is not yet a saint. If the Uruguay international has reached an agreement with the English club side Bologna is said to be far from finding a financial agreement. The Italians require payment in cash of the full transfer of approximately 15 million euros (excluding bonuses), while the English, they want to spread over three years. (Photo Press-Sport)

 

And both sides will posture, make noises, play to their respective constituencies....and then meet somewhere in between.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

just like Buttner.

 

Exactly, and I reckon we tried similar with Phillips but Blackpool didn't feel an agreement in principle was good enough to discuss terms with the player, hence the complaint.

[Turkish]

no, if I was drunk on the power, i would have issued infractions / warning / banning / beheading etc etc

 

Can you let us know when you give your first infraction please. Then we will all know you are a true made up guy.

[shurlock]

Exactly, and I reckon we tried similar with Phillips but Blackpool didn't feel an agreement in principle was good enough to discuss terms with the player, hence the complaint.

 

Butner's totally different - if you believe the reports, the breakdown was due to an unknown third party and an issue between that party and the dutchies. Nothing to do with us.

[Webby]

I think the issue is that there is a part ownership thing going on. Seems he's owned 30% by his previous club as opposed to a 30% sell on fee.

[itchen_dan]

I think the issue is that there is a part ownership thing going on. Seems he's owned 30% by his previous club as opposed to a 30% sell on fee.

 

Seems that way. We need to buy out Bolognas 70% (€15m or so) and then 30% from the 3rd Party (I'm guessing around €5m euros?)

[Saint Charlie]

I think the issue is that there is a part ownership thing going on. Seems he's owned 30% by his previous club as opposed to a 30% sell on fee.

 

That's what I said yesterday. 70% of our fee goes to Bologna and 30% to Penarol. Sure it will get sorted, Saints would have obviously preferred for it to be behind closed doors. The sooner it's done the better.

 

Not like we wouldn't have known this when we moved for him and Bologna have obviously given us permission to speak to the player while we finalise a deal with them.

[aintforever]

I just hope we are not being used to try and push through a deal with another club.

[positivepete]

no, if I was drunk on the power, i would have issued infractions / warning / banning / beheading etc etc

 

Enjoy the new role. The downside is that you will have to take the usual suspects off your ignore list

[Norm]

haha thanks My first mod duty

 

May it be the first of many Mike. Lets see you start with cutting out the insults from some on here. I love Banter but this site (like some others) is like a school playground. Insults and bullying.

[The9]

That's what I said yesterday. 70% of our fee goes to Bologna and 30% to Penarol. Sure it will get sorted, Saints would have obviously preferred for it to be behind closed doors. The sooner it's done the better.

 

Not like we wouldn't have known this when we moved for him and Bologna have obviously given us permission to speak to the player while we finalise a deal with them.

 

It's not just that though, both clubs are agreeing to give up part ownership of the player, which means they are releasing any right over future transfers. Bologna are really in the same situation as a normal transfer as his current team, but Penarol have already retained a 30% ownership, will get at least 30% and would probably like to keep that 30% ownership - but it's prohibited by PL rules.

 

Which implies we'll need to pay extra to them for the inconvenience of losing future income. I'm guessing the Bologna Chairman agreed a fee then Penarol pointed out they wanted some compensation on top of the 30% entitlement, so the deal would need to be structured splitting the transfer 70/30 and the compensation separately. Plus they're kicking up about the payment schedule, which we'd need to sort (if we haven't already).

[The9]

All this 'just give them a few more million', 'offer him more money', 'sign back up while we wait'. I hope none suggesting these things have criticised PFC for similar stupidity.

Another one who doesn't know the difference between spending money you've got and money you haven't. Such a lazy, inaccurate comparison.

[shurlock]

It's not just that though, both clubs are agreeing to give up part ownership of the player, which means they are releasing any right over future transfers. Bologna are really in the same situation as a normal transfer as his current team, but Penarol have already retained a 30% ownership, will get at least 30% and would probably like to keep that 30% ownership - but it's prohibited by PL rules.

 

Which implies we'll need to pay extra to them for the inconvenience of losing future income. I'm guessing the Bologna Chairman agreed a fee then Penarol pointed out they wanted some compensation on top of the 30% entitlement, so the deal would need to be structured splitting the transfer 70/30 and the compensation separately. Plus they're kicking up about the payment schedule, which we'd need to sort (if we haven't already).

 

Or surely we could just convert the ownership stake into a sell on fee/% of future transfer fee instead, something permitted by PL rules...if we so wanted.

[The9]

Or surely we could just convert the ownership stake into a sell on fee/% of future transfer fee instead...if we so wanted.

 

I think we'd want to cut any future connections, but that is one way to do it, kinda sorta.

[itchen_dan]

Very much still game on. Exclusive in last few minutes...

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tuttomercatoweb.com%2Fbologna%2F%3Faction%3Dread%26idtmw%3D377422

 

EXCLUSIVE TMW - Ramirez, agent in meeting with Southampton

 

Gaston Ramirez - Southampton, the soap opera continues. In these few minutes the agent is meeting with the British company to unlock the deal and especially finding a solution to the problems arising in the day. Moments, decisive days. The deal to bring the striker Bologna in England is still standing ...

[shurlock]

Very much still game on. Exclusive in last few minutes...

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tuttomercatoweb.com%2Fbologna%2F%3Faction%3Dread%26idtmw%3D377422

 

EXCLUSIVE TMW - Ramirez, agent in meeting with Southampton

 

Gaston Ramirez - Southampton, the soap opera continues. In these few minutes the agent is meeting with the British company to unlock the deal and especially finding a solution to the problems arising in the day. Moments, decisive days. The deal to bring the striker Bologna in England is still standing ...

 

Surely, the issue isn't with the player's agent but with the club's representatives?

[S-Clarke]

This is exactly why Cortese wants all transfer news kept silent and out of the media. Now you've got the problem of having fans raised expectations and if the deal doesn't happened then the whole mood around the fan base will change. I know it's hard and almost impossible to keep a transfer like this quiet, but those moaning about him trying to keep everything quiet need to realise he has a very valid point and reason behind it.

 

Gaston was a right idiot coming out saying what he did yesterday morning. Should never have commented on it, now he's potentially ruined the move by winding up Bolonga. Bolonga have since changed their stance on what they want for the player, that's where the confusion has arose. It was agreed. Until he blabbed and wound them up.