Bad Wolf Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Those who were there are the time - How would this compare to signing Keegan all those years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Those who were there are the time - How would this compare to signing Keegan all those years ago? Keegan was a former European Footballer of the Year. So, basically the difference between Messi and Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Not even close. Everyone knew who Keegan was. I have no idea who this fella is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9879668.Saints__agree_record_fee_for_Ramirez_/?ref=twt&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter How have the Echo come up with the £70k pw figure from a €2m a year deal!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 The signing of Keegan was beyond all our dreams at that time, we were a small club with big ambitions and he was a world class player and very well known. I am not saying Ramirez isnt but he is young and still has most of his career in front of him, still a big coup but nevertheless not the same magnitude for me as the Keegan signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Keegan was the European Footballer of the Year at the time. So, basically the difference between Messi and Ramirez. But times have changed. Signing Messi now would be bigger than signing Keegan back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Keegan was European Footballer of the year this is nothing like that Coould be very good but not all South American footballers adapt well to english Football like Forlan and Veron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Those who were there are the time - How would this compare to signing Keegan all those years ago? Not really. KK was double (IIRC) European Player of the Year and in his prime. Probably one of the most famous players on the planet, This guy may be brilliant, but until this week I had never heard of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Messi now theres a thought.But times have changed. Signing Messi now would be bigger than signing Keegan back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9879668.Saints__agree_record_fee_for_Ramirez_/?ref=twt&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter How have the Echo come up with the £70k pw figure from a €2m a year deal!? Read the article and you will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 But times have changed. Signing Messi now would be bigger than signing Keegan back then. We could mass debate this like The9 et al but I'll give you that one.. Bloody idiot.. how does European Footballer of the Year change over time?? FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Lets keep this on topic ladies. This is a thread about Ramirez. Not a thread squabbling over Kevin Keegan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Lets keep this on topic ladies. This is a thread about Ramirez. Not a thread squabbling over Kevin Keegan. Shut up you tart. A question was asked about Ramirez and it was answered... nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 I much prefer the old days when there was no booking free, free to park and we signed players of the calibre of Mikel Nielsen. Mikael Nilsson even. My least favourite Saints player ever, completely sh111t out of a 60/40 in his favour at Norwich in our relegation season. The twaat. He was a Swedish international though, which worked with Anders and Killer (and nearly worked with Jacobsson and Jesus). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Keegan was European Footballer of the year this is nothing like that Coould be very good but not all South American footballers adapt well to english Football like Forlan and Veron Not all European, Asian, Oceanic and N. American players adapt to English football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonko Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Let's hope it isn't like signing Delgado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 All I have to say on the "historic" front is that he's our biggest signing since Delgado, who was also exciting at the time but at least Ramirez doesn't have a known knee injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 How many nationalities is our first team squad if this deal goes through, think I have counted 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 You're not for real are you? Some people... I'm not ready to hero worship Cortese yet and these are my conditions for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Yea thank you for your interest.... It's just a ball park figure numb nuts. No sh it! You mean you dont know? Man! - my illusions are shattered. Yep that's me being a numb nuts for sure. Makes a big difference between the top estimate on here of £80k pw and the "net" figure of £30k pw though and a more reasonable "ball park" figure is probably somewhere in the lower (below 50%) range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 I'm not ready to hero worship Cortese yet and these are my conditions for doing so. I don't hero worship him either, I just weigh up the pros and cons. The pros outweigh the cons... heavily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Read the article and you will see Seems odd to report wages in Net, I guess that's how they do things in Italy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Has Ramires signed yet? I'm too excited to do any work at the moment and it's starting to pile up on my desk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 How many nationalities is our first team squad if this deal goes through, think I have counted 8. Various English, Fox - arguably Scottish though born in England (same goes for Matt Phillips for the record) Ramirez - Uruguayan Lee - Japanese Forte - Barbadian S Davis - Northern Irish Schneiderlin - French Guly - Brazilian Hooiveld - Dutch De Ridder - Belgian Gazzaniga - Argentinian Fonte - Portuguese We no longer have any welshies in the first team squad though. I make it 12 including Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Has Ramires signed yet? I'm too excited to do any work at the moment and it's starting to pile up on my desk... We're not signing anyone from Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 I don't hero worship him either, I just weigh up the pros and cons. The pros outweigh the cons... heavily. Yes, but they are my conditions for the kind of hero worship he already gets from some on here. He's already more than met my conditions for being decent at building the playing squad to get us back into the Prem, some kind of consideration of customers would round it off nicely. Would cost a lot less than the grand gesture of not having sponsorship on the sash kit, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Mikael Nilsson even. My least favourite Saints player ever, completely sh111t out of a 60/40 in his favour at Norwich in our relegation season. The twaat. He was a Swedish international though, which worked with Anders and Killer (and nearly worked with Jacobsson and Jesus). Never mind that, you didn't have to pay to park in those days. Ironic he pulled out of a 60/40 tackle, as that is also our success rate with Swedish players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Ramirez is left footed an prefers playing advanced in the centre (ie where Lallana has been playing so far) or out on the right where he can cut inside. Don't think he has blistering pace (hopefully Phillips will provide that) but has effortless technique and drifts past players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Yes, but they are my conditions for the kind of hero worship he already gets from some on here. He's already more than met my conditions for being decent at building the playing squad to get us back into the Prem, some kind of consideration of customers would round it off nicely. Would cost a lot less than the grand gesture of not having sponsorship on the sash kit, for instance. I take it you've missed the message to "have a nice day" on the barriers as you out your ticket in to leave the car park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Ramirez is left footed an prefers playing advanced in the centre (ie where Lallana has been playing so far) or out on the right where he can cut inside. Don't think he has blistering pace (hopefully Phillips will provide that) but has effortless technique and drifts past players. He glides along the ground doesn't he? Kind of how Bale and to an extent Kaka look on the pitch, just effortless beating of players without having stunning pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Seems odd to report wages in Net, I guess that's how they do things in Italy? I remember Ruud Gullit relating that he basically got the sack from being Chelsea manager as a result of a "misunderstanding" over his new £2m contract being gross not net, so yeah, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 He glides along the ground doesn't he? Kind of how Bale and to an extent Kaka look on the pitch, just effortless beating of players without having stunning pace. Bale is pretty quick! Ramirez has been described as the 'Uruguayan Kaka' though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 I hadn't even heard of him until yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Seems odd to report wages in Net, I guess that's how they do things in Italy? Probably best though, wasn't it Arshavin who thought he was going to be paid twice his actual salary as no one explained the Tax rate to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 I've just had a call to say he's signed for £11.4m. Never had any sort of transfer info from this mate before but he's convinced it's a done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 We're not signing anyone from Chelsea. You mean it's not the CL winner Ramires we're signing? CORTESE OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 I've just had a call to say he's signed for £11.4m. Never had any sort of transfer info from this mate before but he's convinced it's a done deal. Has your mate only just seen the Echo article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 He is obviously flying over today, would need a medical and then hopefully can sign later today. Work permit will be requested - hopefully come through in time for Wigan but who knows? Just really want to get this one wrapped up ASAP - its not done until its on the OS with quotes from Executive Chariman Nicola Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Not all European, Asian, Oceanic and N. American players adapt to English football... Players from all those continents lack discipline and are physically cynical. Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, let alone beak our transfer fee record for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Various English, Fox - arguably Scottish though born in England (same goes for Matt Phillips for the record) Ramirez - Uruguayan Lee - Japanese Forte - Barbadian S Davis - Northern Irish Schneiderlin - French Guly - Brazilian Hooiveld - Dutch De Ridder - Belgian Gazzaniga - Argentinian Fonte - Portuguese We no longer have any welshies in the first team squad though. I make it 12 including Ramirez. When it comes to Home Grown rules etc do they look at it in terms of Scottish, NI, Welsh, English or is it British? (Genuine question not complaining about the list) And how many players have we got with dual nationality? And a final one, who have we got who speaks Spanish in order to help Ramirez out (apart from Gazzaniga)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 I take it you've missed the message to "have a nice day" on the barriers as you out your ticket in to leave the car park? I wouldn't know, I never go in the car park any more. Which of course means I go to the Megastore a lot less than I would have previously as I resent being charged for wandering around the club shop. Have I mentioned that I haven't bought any of the new kit yet ? That's £160 they'd have got out of me previously which they're not seeing this year... it's the little things that help build an affinity with the club rather than driving a wedge. They either care about that money from me or they don't, they can't logically care about the £1 but not the £160 it's basically costing them to have that. When that stuff goes away Cortese can have my undying loyalty. For now I just appreciate that we're back in the Prem and hope we're good enough to stay in it. Most of the on pitch stuff is spot on, but with Prem tv money there's literally no point in persisting with policies that just annoy potential customers. Anyway, woo, we're (probably) signing Ramirez ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 He is obviously flying over today, would need a medical and then hopefully can sign later today. Work permit will be requested - hopefully come through in time for Wigan but who knows? Just really want to get this one wrapped up ASAP - its not done until its on the OS with quotes from Executive Chariman Nicola Cortese. And one from Nigel Adkins praising the chairman for getting the deal done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Has your mate only just seen the Echo article? That's what I said, his response was "he's not on his way to sign, he's signed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Players from all those continents lack discipline and are physically cynical. Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, let alone beak our transfer fee record for them! That sound you can hear is a massive sweeping generalisation. whoosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 I wouldn't know, I never go in the car park any more. Which of course means I go to the Megastore a lot less than I would have previously as I resent being charged for wandering around the club shop. Have I mentioned that I haven't bought any of the new kit yet ? That's £160 they'd have got out of me previously which they're not seeing this year... it's the little things that help build an affinity with the club rather than driving a wedge. They either care about that money from me or they don't, they can't logically care about the £1 but not the £160 it's basically costing them to have that. When that stuff goes away Cortese can have my undying loyalty. For now I just appreciate that we're back in the Prem and hope we're good enough to stay in it. Most of the on pitch stuff is spot on, but with Prem tv money there's literally no point in persisting with policies that just annoy potential customers. Anyway, woo, we're (probably) signing Ramirez ! Where do you park when you go to West Quay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Where do you park when you go to West Quay? How come you haven't told him to bore off yet? I'm certainly thinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 just seen this bit in the telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9482011/Premier-League-2012-13-season-preview-live.html 11.38 Southampton are on the verge of signing Uruguayan winger Gaston Ramirez from Bologna for £11.8m. Spurs and Liverpool were also interested, but here's a quote from the man himself which explains why he's chosen the south coast: "It is an offer that you cannot refuse. They will give me so much money". That's a good enough reason for signing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 When it comes to Home Grown rules etc do they look at it in terms of Scottish, NI, Welsh, English or is it British? (Genuine question not complaining about the list) And how many players have we got with dual nationality? And a final one, who have we got who speaks Spanish in order to help Ramirez out (apart from Gazzaniga)? Home grown is anyone who's been at an English or Welsh club for 3 seasons before aged 21. We are comfortably within the "must have 7 home grown players" rule. Dunno fully about dual nationality, Fox born in England but plays for Scotland (and Phillips), there was a run on south Americans having EU passports a while back and many have Spanish passports, but can't clarify on that one. Gazzaniga didn't need a work permit though and there's no mention of it for Ramirez yet (and with only a few caps he won't qualify automatically for one) so I'm guessing he may have a Spanish passport. Other than Gazzaniga who presumably speaks Spanish, Guly and Fonte are Portuguese speakers which would be useful if not perfect, but you'd assume Guly also knows some Italian as well, which Ramirez might do. Or he could speak English, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezza Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 Makes me LOL every time. I was stood behind him in the queue, so hard to contain my laughter nearly dislocated my collar bones my shoulders were shaking so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 August, 2012 Share Posted 17 August, 2012 How come you haven't told him to bore off yet? I'm certainly thinking it. The9 is always dull. I expect a bit more from you these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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