Gaston Ramirez - Signs 4 Year Deal

[Bad Wolf]

Those who were there are the time - How would this compare to signing Keegan all those years ago?

[notnowcato]

Those who were there are the time - How would this compare to signing Keegan all those years ago?

 

Keegan was a former European Footballer of the Year. So, basically the difference between Messi and Ramirez.

[Joey-deacons-left-nut]

Not even close. Everyone knew who Keegan was. I have no idea who this fella is.

[wireframebox]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9879668.Saints__agree_record_fee_for_Ramirez_/?ref=twt&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

How have the Echo come up with the £70k pw figure from a €2m a year deal!?

[ladysaint]

The signing of Keegan was beyond all our dreams at that time, we were a small club with big ambitions and he was a world class player and very well known. I am not saying Ramirez isnt but he is young and still has most of his career in front of him, still a big coup but nevertheless not the same magnitude for me as the Keegan signing.

[Bad Wolf]

Keegan was the European Footballer of the Year at the time. So, basically the difference between Messi and Ramirez.

 

But times have changed. Signing Messi now would be bigger than signing Keegan back then.

[John B]

Keegan was European Footballer of the year this is nothing like that

 

Coould be very good but not all South American footballers adapt well to english Football like Forlan and Veron

[miserableoldgit]

Those who were there are the time - How would this compare to signing Keegan all those years ago?

Not really. KK was double (IIRC) European Player of the Year and in his prime. Probably one of the most famous players on the planet, This guy may be brilliant, but until this week I had never heard of him.

[thegaffer]

Messi now theres a thought.

But times have changed. Signing Messi now would be bigger than signing Keegan back then.

[John B]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9879668.Saints__agree_record_fee_for_Ramirez_/?ref=twt&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

How have the Echo come up with the £70k pw figure from a €2m a year deal!?

 

Read the article and you will see

[notnowcato]

But times have changed. Signing Messi now would be bigger than signing Keegan back then.

 

We could mass debate this like The9 et al but I'll give you that one..

 

Bloody idiot.. how does European Footballer of the Year change over time?? FFS

[sambosa75]

Lets keep this on topic ladies. This is a thread about Ramirez. Not a thread squabbling over Kevin Keegan.

[notnowcato]

Lets keep this on topic ladies. This is a thread about Ramirez. Not a thread squabbling over Kevin Keegan.

 

Shut up you tart. A question was asked about Ramirez and it was answered... nothing to see here.

[The9]

I much prefer the old days when there was no booking free, free to park and we signed players of the calibre of Mikel Nielsen.

 

Mikael Nilsson even. My least favourite Saints player ever, completely sh111t out of a 60/40 in his favour at Norwich in our relegation season. The twaat.

 

He was a Swedish international though, which worked with Anders and Killer (and nearly worked with Jacobsson and Jesus).

[This Charming Man]

Keegan was European Footballer of the year this is nothing like that

 

Coould be very good but not all South American footballers adapt well to english Football like Forlan and Veron

 

Not all European, Asian, Oceanic and N. American players adapt to English football...

[Plonko]

Let's hope it isn't like signing Delgado.

[The9]

All I have to say on the "historic" front is that he's our biggest signing since Delgado, who was also exciting at the time but at least Ramirez doesn't have a known knee injury.

[ladysaint]

How many nationalities is our first team squad if this deal goes through, think I have counted 8.

[The9]

You're not for real are you?

 

Some people...

 

I'm not ready to hero worship Cortese yet and these are my conditions for doing so.

[Highfield Saint]

Yea thank you for your interest.... It's just a ball park figure numb nuts.

 

No sh it! You mean you dont know? Man! - my illusions are shattered. Yep that's me being a numb nuts for sure.

 

Makes a big difference between the top estimate on here of £80k pw and the "net" figure of £30k pw though and a more reasonable "ball park" figure is probably somewhere in the lower (below 50%) range.

[This Charming Man]

I'm not ready to hero worship Cortese yet and these are my conditions for doing so.

 

I don't hero worship him either, I just weigh up the pros and cons. The pros outweigh the cons... heavily.

[wireframebox]

Read the article and you will see

 

Seems odd to report wages in Net, I guess that's how they do things in Italy?

[This Charming Man]

Has Ramires signed yet?

 

I'm too excited to do any work at the moment and it's starting to pile up on my desk...

[The9]

How many nationalities is our first team squad if this deal goes through, think I have counted 8.

 

Various English,

Fox - arguably Scottish though born in England (same goes for Matt Phillips for the record)

Ramirez - Uruguayan

Lee - Japanese

Forte - Barbadian

S Davis - Northern Irish

Schneiderlin - French

Guly - Brazilian

Hooiveld - Dutch

De Ridder - Belgian

Gazzaniga - Argentinian

Fonte - Portuguese

We no longer have any welshies in the first team squad though.

 

I make it 12 including Ramirez.

[The9]

Has Ramires signed yet?

 

I'm too excited to do any work at the moment and it's starting to pile up on my desk...

 

We're not signing anyone from Chelsea.

[The9]

I don't hero worship him either, I just weigh up the pros and cons. The pros outweigh the cons... heavily.

 

Yes, but they are my conditions for the kind of hero worship he already gets from some on here. He's already more than met my conditions for being decent at building the playing squad to get us back into the Prem, some kind of consideration of customers would round it off nicely. Would cost a lot less than the grand gesture of not having sponsorship on the sash kit, for instance.

[Turkish]

Mikael Nilsson even. My least favourite Saints player ever, completely sh111t out of a 60/40 in his favour at Norwich in our relegation season. The twaat.

 

He was a Swedish international though, which worked with Anders and Killer (and nearly worked with Jacobsson and Jesus).

 

Never mind that, you didn't have to pay to park in those days. Ironic he pulled out of a 60/40 tackle, as that is also our success rate with Swedish players.

[Saint Charlie]

Ramirez is left footed an prefers playing advanced in the centre (ie where Lallana has been playing so far) or out on the right where he can cut inside.

 

Don't think he has blistering pace (hopefully Phillips will provide that) but has effortless technique and drifts past players.

[Turkish]

Yes, but they are my conditions for the kind of hero worship he already gets from some on here. He's already more than met my conditions for being decent at building the playing squad to get us back into the Prem, some kind of consideration of customers would round it off nicely. Would cost a lot less than the grand gesture of not having sponsorship on the sash kit, for instance.

 

I take it you've missed the message to "have a nice day" on the barriers as you out your ticket in to leave the car park?

[S-Clarke]

Ramirez is left footed an prefers playing advanced in the centre (ie where Lallana has been playing so far) or out on the right where he can cut inside.

 

Don't think he has blistering pace (hopefully Phillips will provide that) but has effortless technique and drifts past players.

 

He glides along the ground doesn't he? Kind of how Bale and to an extent Kaka look on the pitch, just effortless beating of players without having stunning pace.

[The9]

Seems odd to report wages in Net, I guess that's how they do things in Italy?

 

I remember Ruud Gullit relating that he basically got the sack from being Chelsea manager as a result of a "misunderstanding" over his new £2m contract being gross not net, so yeah, probably.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

He glides along the ground doesn't he? Kind of how Bale and to an extent Kaka look on the pitch, just effortless beating of players without having stunning pace.

 

Bale is pretty quick! Ramirez has been described as the 'Uruguayan Kaka' though.

[Griffo]

I hadn't even heard of him until yesterday.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Seems odd to report wages in Net, I guess that's how they do things in Italy?

 

Probably best though, wasn't it Arshavin who thought he was going to be paid twice his actual salary as no one explained the Tax rate to him?

[shirleysfc]

I've just had a call to say he's signed for £11.4m. Never had any sort of transfer info from this mate before but he's convinced it's a done deal.

[This Charming Man]

We're not signing anyone from Chelsea.

 

You mean it's not the CL winner Ramires we're signing?

 

CORTESE OUT!

[This Charming Man]

I've just had a call to say he's signed for £11.4m. Never had any sort of transfer info from this mate before but he's convinced it's a done deal.

 

Has your mate only just seen the Echo article?

[Saint Charlie]

He is obviously flying over today, would need a medical and then hopefully can sign later today. Work permit will be requested - hopefully come through in time for Wigan but who knows?

 

Just really want to get this one wrapped up ASAP - its not done until its on the OS with quotes from Executive Chariman Nicola Cortese.

[Dig Dig]

Not all European, Asian, Oceanic and N. American players adapt to English football...

 

Players from all those continents lack discipline and are physically cynical. Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, let alone beak our transfer fee record for them!

[doubleonothing]

Various English,

Fox - arguably Scottish though born in England (same goes for Matt Phillips for the record)

Ramirez - Uruguayan

Lee - Japanese

Forte - Barbadian

S Davis - Northern Irish

Schneiderlin - French

Guly - Brazilian

Hooiveld - Dutch

De Ridder - Belgian

Gazzaniga - Argentinian

Fonte - Portuguese

We no longer have any welshies in the first team squad though.

 

I make it 12 including Ramirez.

 

When it comes to Home Grown rules etc do they look at it in terms of Scottish, NI, Welsh, English or is it British? (Genuine question not complaining about the list)

 

And how many players have we got with dual nationality?

 

And a final one, who have we got who speaks Spanish in order to help Ramirez out (apart from Gazzaniga)?

[The9]

I take it you've missed the message to "have a nice day" on the barriers as you out your ticket in to leave the car park?

 

I wouldn't know, I never go in the car park any more. Which of course means I go to the Megastore a lot less than I would have previously as I resent being charged for wandering around the club shop. Have I mentioned that I haven't bought any of the new kit yet ? That's £160 they'd have got out of me previously which they're not seeing this year... it's the little things that help build an affinity with the club rather than driving a wedge. They either care about that money from me or they don't, they can't logically care about the £1 but not the £160 it's basically costing them to have that.

 

When that stuff goes away Cortese can have my undying loyalty. For now I just appreciate that we're back in the Prem and hope we're good enough to stay in it. Most of the on pitch stuff is spot on, but with Prem tv money there's literally no point in persisting with policies that just annoy potential customers.

 

Anyway, woo, we're (probably) signing Ramirez !

[Turkish]

He is obviously flying over today, would need a medical and then hopefully can sign later today. Work permit will be requested - hopefully come through in time for Wigan but who knows?

 

Just really want to get this one wrapped up ASAP - its not done until its on the OS with quotes from Executive Chariman Nicola Cortese.

 

And one from Nigel Adkins praising the chairman for getting the deal done.

[shirleysfc]

Has your mate only just seen the Echo article?

 

That's what I said, his response was "he's not on his way to sign, he's signed"

[DT]

Players from all those continents lack discipline and are physically cynical. Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, let alone beak our transfer fee record for them!

That sound you can hear is a massive sweeping generalisation. whoosh.

[Turkish]

I wouldn't know, I never go in the car park any more. Which of course means I go to the Megastore a lot less than I would have previously as I resent being charged for wandering around the club shop. Have I mentioned that I haven't bought any of the new kit yet ? That's £160 they'd have got out of me previously which they're not seeing this year... it's the little things that help build an affinity with the club rather than driving a wedge. They either care about that money from me or they don't, they can't logically care about the £1 but not the £160 it's basically costing them to have that.

 

When that stuff goes away Cortese can have my undying loyalty. For now I just appreciate that we're back in the Prem and hope we're good enough to stay in it. Most of the on pitch stuff is spot on, but with Prem tv money there's literally no point in persisting with policies that just annoy potential customers.

 

Anyway, woo, we're (probably) signing Ramirez !

 

Where do you park when you go to West Quay?

[Minty]

Where do you park when you go to West Quay?

 

How come you haven't told him to bore off yet? I'm certainly thinking it.

[dellboypete]

just seen this bit in the telegraph

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9482011/Premier-League-2012-13-season-preview-live.html

 

 

11.38 Southampton are on the verge of signing Uruguayan winger Gaston Ramirez from Bologna for £11.8m. Spurs and Liverpool were also interested, but here's a quote from the man himself which explains why he's chosen the south coast:

 

"It is an offer that you cannot refuse. They will give me so much money".

 

 

That's a good enough reason for signing!!

[The9]

When it comes to Home Grown rules etc do they look at it in terms of Scottish, NI, Welsh, English or is it British? (Genuine question not complaining about the list)

 

And how many players have we got with dual nationality?

 

And a final one, who have we got who speaks Spanish in order to help Ramirez out (apart from Gazzaniga)?

 

Home grown is anyone who's been at an English or Welsh club for 3 seasons before aged 21. We are comfortably within the "must have 7 home grown players" rule.

 

Dunno fully about dual nationality, Fox born in England but plays for Scotland (and Phillips), there was a run on south Americans having EU passports a while back and many have Spanish passports, but can't clarify on that one. Gazzaniga didn't need a work permit though and there's no mention of it for Ramirez yet (and with only a few caps he won't qualify automatically for one) so I'm guessing he may have a Spanish passport.

 

Other than Gazzaniga who presumably speaks Spanish, Guly and Fonte are Portuguese speakers which would be useful if not perfect, but you'd assume Guly also knows some Italian as well, which Ramirez might do. Or he could speak English, who knows?

[pezza]

Makes me LOL every time.

 

I was stood behind him in the queue, so hard to contain my laughter nearly dislocated my collar bones my shoulders were shaking so much

[Turkish]

How come you haven't told him to bore off yet? I'm certainly thinking it.

 

The9 is always dull. I expect a bit more from you these days.