mcjwills Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Tom Coull @TomCoull Got up. Put shirt on. Still had the hanger in. #NeedMoreZzzzz Retweeted by Jordan Sibley Late night last night I assume. Or was up watching opening ceremony of paralympics
Thedelldays Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 An interesting concept some people ought to try and grasp - you can sometimes read too much into things. Hanging on every single Saints' employees tweets is an example. bit much if you ask me
maysie Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Or was up watching opening ceremony of paralympics Or he could have had an all night w8nkathon - there are many options.
There when Franny scored Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 http://www.gianlucadimarzio.com/calciomercato/bologna-elkeson-possibile-il-ritorno-di-fiamma/ Sometimes they come back. Elkeson Botafogo is a name underlined in red for some time on the list of Bologna. Treaty in early summer, then the deal is complicated. If the Southampton able to define everything in a hurry for the latest details of the transaction Ramirez, there may be a flashback on Brazil. Would offer important, there is the out clause 6 million. The Bologna has second thoughts ...
Crazy Diamond Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 bit much if you ask me Indeed. As is asking not to go mental over YouTube clips. It's just the last time it was that quiet on Twitter from the media team, we ended up signing Jay Rodriguez. Most probably just be a coincidence but with the various rumours / reports coming from news outlets and journos yesterday, wouldnt surprise me if they had been very busy and didnt have time or werent allowed to tweet. Interesting theory, they're quiet, they must be up to something. I take your point, Twitter is a very good source of news as it happens - it's mainly why I'm on there.
itchen_dan Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Bye bye Gaston.... http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FhnaaAr5h Exclusive CM: Ramirez to Liverpool August 30 at 11:00 Given the difficulties of arriving at Southampton Ramirez, Liverpool came back to the assault against Bologna. The willingness of the Reds to snatch the player to Bologna, but subject to the conditions imposed by the Bolognese. Has learned exclusively by Calcimercato.com the request of Bologna is twenty million immediately. Liverpool has reached the maximum 14 but is ready to offer them a new proposal for the red and blue. The new offensive Liverpool has 5 million for the loan sale and a figure between 10 and 15 million for the redemption obligations in 2013. The Bologna try to resist, but given the player will have to start at the end could accept the new formula to make money in a year.
There when Franny scored Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 http://www.calciomercato.com/prima-pagina/esclusiva-cm-ramirez-verso-liverpool-752811 Given the difficulties of arriving at Southampton Ramirez, Liverpool came back to the assault against Bologna. The willingness of the Reds to snatch the player to Bologna, but subject to the conditions imposed by the Bolognese. Has learned exclusively by Calcimercato.com the request of Bologna is twenty million immediately. Liverpool has reached the maximum 14 but is ready to offer them a new proposal for the red and blue. The new offensive Liverpool has 5 million for the loan sale and a figure between 10 and 15 million for the redemption obligations in 2013. The Bologna try to resist, but given the player will have to start at the end could accept the new formula to make money in a year.
Saint-Armstrong Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Why would Liverpool offer more than an offer that has already been accepted? Sorry, not buying that.
Thedelldays Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Bye bye Gaston.... http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FhnaaAr5h Exclusive CM: Ramirez to Liverpool August 30 at 11:00 Given the difficulties of arriving at Southampton Ramirez, Liverpool came back to the assault against Bologna. The willingness of the Reds to snatch the player to Bologna, but subject to the conditions imposed by the Bolognese. Has learned exclusively by Calcimercato.com the request of Bologna is twenty million immediately. Liverpool has reached the maximum 14 but is ready to offer them a new proposal for the red and blue. The new offensive Liverpool has 5 million for the loan sale and a figure between 10 and 15 million for the redemption obligations in 2013. The Bologna try to resist, but given the player will have to start at the end could accept the new formula to make money in a year. mate, I think you need to stop quoting every tweet, article about our targets...it will do you no good
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Bye bye Gaston.... http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FhnaaAr5h Exclusive CM: Ramirez to Liverpool August 30 at 11:00 Given the difficulties of arriving at Southampton Ramirez, Liverpool came back to the assault against Bologna. The willingness of the Reds to snatch the player to Bologna, but subject to the conditions imposed by the Bolognese. Has learned exclusively by Calcimercato.com the request of Bologna is twenty million immediately. Liverpool has reached the maximum 14 but is ready to offer them a new proposal for the red and blue. The new offensive Liverpool has 5 million for the loan sale and a figure between 10 and 15 million for the redemption obligations in 2013. The Bologna try to resist, but given the player will have to start at the end could accept the new formula to make money in a year. Arse. Gazumped then due to an inability to complete the deal, if true?
St.Patrik Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 But Pool say the need to sell first before they can buy - to make this happen someone must buy Carrol from them for a ****load of money?
SaintNeil90 Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 I really dont think he will sign. Its gone on for too long with people saying its on or off and then close. Nothing has happened for a few days now which suggests one of two things. He has either signed and we are awaiting work permit to be issues before announcing it (ala Mayuka) OR someone else has come in and is about to pip us.
Aura Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 What a complete waste of time extremely disappointed.
skintsaint Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Why would Liverpool offer more than an offer that has already been accepted? Sorry, not buying that. this is the club who signed Downing, Henderson and Carroll for more than 70m.... although I did read that they were selling Adam to get the funds for that Yank from Fulham, so have they even the cash?
surrey1saint Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Disappointing if true,but that's life....move on.
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 calm down guys. through out this whole saga the deal has been on-off more times then MLT and Turkish have had difference of opinions. really cant see liverpool getting him this late in the day as the deal is so complicated. he either joins us or stays at bologna until january.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 With us being linked to Bueno, another Uruguayan, maybe it was a case of Betancourt the agent offering us a different player as he knew Gaston could be going elsewhere? Would be very disappointing to miss out, if this is true, having apparently been so close...
MOSaint Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Bye bye Gaston.... http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FhnaaAr5h Exclusive CM: Ramirez to Liverpool August 30 at 11:00 Given the difficulties of arriving at Southampton Ramirez, Liverpool came back to the assault against Bologna. The willingness of the Reds to snatch the player to Bologna, but subject to the conditions imposed by the Bolognese. Has learned exclusively by Calcimercato.com the request of Bologna is twenty million immediately. Liverpool has reached the maximum 14 but is ready to offer them a new proposal for the red and blue. The new offensive Liverpool has 5 million for the loan sale and a figure between 10 and 15 million for the redemption obligations in 2013. The Bologna try to resist, but given the player will have to start at the end could accept the new formula to make money in a year. This is getting tedious now on-off-on-off. It's hard to even tell which Italian reporters are credible or not. calciomecato could be the most ITK source or they could be the italian equivalent of tribalfootball and we'd none the wiser.
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Do not panic. It's the normal scare mongering to try and get us to sort it. There is no way in hell that any other club can now come in and agree all the deals in 48 hours. It's near on an impossibility.
Supersubpuckett Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Why would Liverpool offer more than an offer that has already been accepted? Sorry, not buying that. I think it's called out-bidding
Under Weststand Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 I really don't see Liverpool coming in for Ramirez unless they can offload the likes of Downing & Carrol. They may want to, but they surely must need to get some players off their wage bill. They were only talking about this on sky this morning. More mind games from Balogna.
itchen_dan Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 I think it's called out-bidding Yeah but why would you outbid an offer that is deemed acceptable?! We have agreed circa €15m, why would Liverpool go in and bid €20m knowing that we had a bid accepted for €5m less?! Would be utter madness.
Papa Shango Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Still think it will happen. Bologna probably leaked this story to hurry us along
itchen_dan Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Still think it will happen. Bologna probably leaked this story to hurry us along Wouldnt put it past them. They've done it often enough throughout the saga.
Jimmy_D Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Aye, it was Tottenham that were back in for him last week...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Yeah but why would you outbid an offer that is deemed acceptable?! We have agreed circa €15m, why would Liverpool go in and bid €20m knowing that we had a bid accepted for €5m less?! Would be utter madness. True but you are talking about a club that pent 35 mil on Carroll... Utter madness does seem common in scouserland
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Yeah but why would you outbid an offer that is deemed acceptable?! We have agreed circa €15m, why would Liverpool go in and bid €20m knowing that we had a bid accepted for €5m less?! Would be utter madness. Maybe that would satisfy both Bologna and Penarol? Total bid of 20m, 15m to Bologna, rest to Penarol to pay off that 30% clause? Just a thought.
Thedelldays Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 who is to say that this story is just bollix....I mean, just look back at some of our targets that have been reported...likes of Kenwyn Jones ffs
merrimd Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 If i read that story correctly, Bologna want 20m up front, Liverpool will pay 14m up front max. However Liverpool have now offered 5m up front for a years loan, then 15m next year to make it complete. Bologna have always seemed to want the most the can get up front, so why would they even consider pools offer? If it looks like bulls**t, and smells like bulls**t ...
itchen_dan Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Even though some are getting ****ed off with my updates, heres another one Minarzouki: Apparently for Ramirez to Southampton deal, there are issues with the 30% to be paid to Penarol (the remainder of rights). Bologna own 70%
surrey1saint Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Realistically I can't see Liverpool being able to sort out all the protracted negotiations before window closes.
redkeith Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 The liverpool story is quoted at €5m for an initial loan, and then 15m nezt season. Given that Bolonga insisted on 8 or 10 Mill up front from Saits, it seems unklikely that the Liverpool deal would allow Bolonga to pay their debts and sign the players they are linked with with just €5m. Would be strange if Bolonga accepted Liverpool's Jam Tomorrow deal.
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 If Bologna truly need cash, sooner rather than later, and they have just spent out on a player then our offer, surely, has the more immediate and better effect. Given that Liverpool are supposedly offering £5M now and then £15M at the end of the season.
SaintNeil90 Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Even though some are getting ****ed off with my updates, heres another one Minarzouki: Apparently for Ramirez to Southampton deal, there are issues with the 30% to be paid to Penarol (the remainder of rights). Bologna own 70% Yawn...
Bucks Saint Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 who is to say that this story is just bollix....I mean, just look back at some of our targets that have been reported...likes of Kenwyn Jones ffs Yep, agreed, posters have quoted a hundred or more Italian tweets or journo remarks on here and how many of them have been correct? so why on earth believe this one? Calm down
Webby Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Can we just get this done, like, NOW, or walk away?
Saint Scott Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Let's put it this way. If he doesn't sign today he probably won't sign for us. They want the money ASAP so they can finalise the deals for their replacement players. They will want at least a day for that. D-day for Ramirez I feel.
Aura Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Even though some are getting ****ed off with my updates, heres another one Minarzouki: Apparently for Ramirez to Southampton deal, there are issues with the 30% to be paid to Penarol (the remainder of rights). Bologna own 70% This is getting incredibly tiresome and boring just pay ffs.
speed demon Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 I've said several times that our gamble is not really the deal on the table but other clubs coming in for him. Not saying I'm right because nothing has happened yet but I am starting to get that sinking feeling that this isn't going to happen. It has simply gone on too long. I do not buy this idea that other clubs can't take him because there is not a lot of time and the deal is too complex, if you throw enough money at it and agree to this, agree to that - whats the hold up? Liverpool are the sort of club that know the prices of everything but the value of nothing and will just **** money up the wall to get who they want. I really hope I'm wrong but don't think it's going to happen.
SuperSAINT Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Even though some are getting ****ed off with my updates, heres another one Keep at it mate. (Although, I just want him to sign so you can get some sleep )
Thedelldays Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Let's put it this way. If he doesn't sign today he probably won't sign for us. They want the money ASAP so they can finalise the deals for their replacement players. They will want at least a day for that. D-day for Ramirez I feel. why not tomorrow..?
saint lard Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Tbh even if he does sign for us the whole saga has taken away the initial 'impact' of signing someone of his supposed calibre. for all we know he could be a complete let down anyway. Its like an underwhelming conclusion to a soap opera.
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 I'm amazed to see people saying ''that's it then'', when if you've been following this for the last 2 weeks you'll know it's part of the course. This is how it's been going. For some reason Bologna continue to try and plant things in the media, to hurry us up I'd imagine. The talk of Liverpool is just that, talk. In 48 hours they will not be able to do a deal, it's way too short a time scale considering how long it took spurs earlier and how long it's taken us so far...! Remember a few days back? ''Ramirez to Southampton is dead, we have other clubs we are negotiating with in Europe'' - that didn't come to anything did it?
Saint Scott Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 why not tomorrow..? Read the full post... My next sentence explains why I think that.
max_saints Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 will he, will he not? one of the most tedious transfer we have faced, he better be worth all these and bang in a couple on his debut.........
Saint Malc Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Do we ever learn? The club are fantastic at creating smoke screens to deflect attention away from realistic targets like Phillips. They do this every time without confirming anything throughout the entire process and leaving us to speculate out of all proportion. Get used to it as it won't be the last time they do it.
Thedelldays Posted 30 August, 2012 Posted 30 August, 2012 Read the full post... My next sentence explains why I think that. it just does not work like that
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