Gaston Ramirez - Signs 4 Year Deal

[buctootim]

We tried 'total' football. That didn't work out so well..[/i]

 

Those arent the only two options though are they? The individual instructions you give to players have far more influence in the shape of the game than the formation they line up in at kick off.

[ollysaints1]

Unfortunatley for those Bologna fans, there is very little that they can do at this point. He wants our contract and Bologna have all ready bought a player they can not afford without the sale of Ramirez.

[itchen_dan]

A photo of 'some' of the Bologna fans outside their training ground

 

[Saint Scott]

Ramirezzz whoaaaaa

Ramirezzz whoaaaaa

He comes from Uruguay

Hes not the racist guy

 

May be jumping the gun, but I for one cannot wait to hear that echo around SMS.

[tttdcs]

There have been a number of conflicting tweets over this whole period lifting and then deflating some of our more prolific posters. The fact is that until Bologna and or Saints announce it, it is not a done deal and anything can go wrong.

 

It has been reported by tweets today from so called informed sources in Italy that the Bologna President has said the deal is not done. It could be that both clubs have a pact that until every last thing is agreed and signed there will be no announcement of the transfer. It could likewise be that an agreement has not been reached.

 

Before posters start putting him in the team line ups just wait and see.

 

Waiting for the late Spurs/Liverpool bid like me then ;-)

[Doctoroncall]

This variation of 3-5-2 looks abit exposed down the flanks to me.

 

 

We would need more mobile CBs for that to work.

[Viking Warrior]

I have still got my feet up and chillin out until it is announced . By the way any genuine info on a a cb and defender ?

[itchen_dan]

Just goes to show that it now really is in the best interests of all parties to get this done NOW! It has got out of hand in Italy and both clubs have got other deals to be focusing on. I'm not saying 'we don't only do one deal at a time' but I can imagine alot of our focus and time has gone into this one. Others may have progressed slowly but been pushed to the back of the queue whilst this one was still 'live'

[dubai_phil]

A photo of 'some' of the Bologna fans outside their training ground

 

 

Ah, a fans protest at the training ground...

 

Now obviously these fans are rubbish, as I am sure when we compare them to the bestest tm with their massive protest at the nasty players who were killing their club.

 

Someone on here has must have saved a photo of that

[itchen_dan]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazzetta.it%2FCalcio%2FSquadre%2FBologna%2Fnotizie%2F28-08-2012%2Fi-tifosi-contestano-guaraldi-tiri-fuori-soldi-912420369033.shtml

 

Fans complain Guaraldi: "Pull out the money"

 

Casteldebole hard to dispute. About 400 supporters gathered at the Technical Center Niccolò Galli to demonstrate their disapproval of the impending sale of Robinho to Southampton. At the start of the stands were sung chorus of mockery against Albano Guaraldi, asked in a loud voice to pull out the money, so a group of ultras demanded a confrontation with the president rossoblù, who approached them escorted from Digos . The situation was now very hot and after a gesture of disapproval by the patron rossoblù they started spitting at his address and some mobs have also tried to climb over the fence. At that point it takes the mediation of the police and five representatives of the red and blue supporters were allowed in the hotel for an interview with Guaraldi and the dg Zanzi. "I do not know what to challenge Ramirez has not yet been sold and the market is not over. If they have come to be Friday at 19 "had previously said the president of Bologna. Then there was the confusion, for Pioli and a team full of doubts and problems is not the best weather to prepare advance of Saturday night at the Dall'Ara with Milan.

 

Best change the thread title to Robinho!!

[Viking Warrior]

Will we get 400 fans protesting if Blackburn sign SRL

[Frank's cousin]

No, dont like 3-5-2, easily undone by quick widemen with balls in between the wing backs and centre backs. 4-2-3-1 is the way forward with 3 attacking midfielders who can rotate positions and 2 from MS/JC/SD/JWP as holding defensive midfielders.

 

At last ... I knew given time you would actually agree with something I have said (see post 5494 of this thread)

[Turkish]

At last ... I knew given time you would actually agree with something I have said (see post 5494 of this thread)

 

I've actually agreed with you a couple of times to day Frankie boy but this is the only one i've posted on. I dont know what's wrong with, might be the start of a midlife crisis.

[Frank's cousin]

I've actually agreed with you a couple of times to day Frankie boy but this is the only one i've posted on. I dont know what's wrong with, might be the start of a midlife crisis.

 

Mid life crises aint so bad... I am sure it will pass and we will resume hostilities at some point

 

On the 4231 - do you think in Adam, Ramierez and Lee they would have enough about them to interchange a bit? I also like the Germans play it (although they need a fully fit Schweinsteiger for it to work) with him interchanging with Khadiera in creating an attacking 5/6 when in pocession + the full backs Lahm and Boateng also over lapping - need some pace though or get exposed - but nice to watch.

[Webby]

4231...like this:

 

 

I think Ramirez and Lambert could rotate their positions, as could Lallana and Ramirez. I think Lallana would really click with playing alongside another skilful, quick footed player like Ramirez. I can see lots of clever interplay between those two.

Edited 28 August, 2012 by Webby

[Turkish]

Mid life crises aint so bad... I am sure it will pass and we will resume hostilities at some point

 

On the 4231 - do you think in Adam, Ramierez and Lee they would have enough about them to interchange a bit? I also like the Germans play it (although they need a fully fit Schweinsteiger for it to work) with him interchanging with Khadiera in creating an attacking 5/6 when in pocession + the full backs Lahm and Boateng also over lapping - need some pace though or get exposed - but nice to watch.

 

I think Ramirez and Lallana will. From what i've seen of Lee his game seems to be based around work rate. I think he'd go missing if he was playing down the middle behind a striker. He'd be okay up front alongside Lambert of Rodriguez or out wide i think.

[Frank's cousin]

4231...like this:

 

 

Thats the baby - Ideally where we have Spiderman and davis you have two that can be both defensive and atatcking and rotate to supplemnet the front 4 - with the 3 also interchaging now and then - especially attacking if full backs get foward as well - but potentially vunerabl eto a counter if you lose the ball - but great to watch!

[Ed Rooney]

Although I think the 4-2-3-1 (deep) would work well, I would still however love to see the Diamond return with the signing of Ramirez. Could really flourish in it IMO.

 

                   Davis


Clyne        Fonte         Hooiveld        Fox


               Schneiderlin


      Davis                   Lallana


                 Ramirez


        Lambert           Rodriguez

 

 

Like the look of this, with a new CB and LB this formation would suit the players we have IMO

[itchen_dan]

Seems the President went and had a personal chat with some of the fans.

 

DL_corriere: guaraldi 'parlamenta' con i tifosi / guaraldi 'in talks' with some fan #bolognafc foto di benvenuti, presto la gallery http://t.co/NevuhfuD

 

DL_corriere: Guaraldi 'parliamentary' with fans / Guaraldi 'in talks' with some fan # bolognafc photos of welcome, the gallery soon http://t.co/NevuhfuD

 

[Webby]

Thats the baby - Ideally where we have Spiderman and davis you have two that can be both defensive and atatcking and rotate to supplemnet the front 4 - with the 3 also interchaging now and then - especially attacking if full backs get foward as well - but potentially vunerabl eto a counter if you lose the ball - but great to watch!

 

I think with this formation, the front 4 if you like is enough, so Davis and Schneiderlin should just sit and protect the back four, try and win the ball and give it to one of the 4 in front of them. Also, Lallana and Lee are quite capable of dropping back to create a 4411 situation.

[Frank's cousin]

I think Ramirez and Lallana will. From what i've seen of Lee his game seems to be based around work rate. I think he'd go missing if he was playing down the middle behind a striker. He'd be okay up front alongside Lambert of Rodriguez or out wide i think.

 

Thats seem fair - Lee could afterall stay out wide and you just have Ramierz and Adam interchanging - as long as on smae wavelength and dont the flank exposed... if Cork develops he could fit into the '2' and might add the attacking dimension from there... seemed that the goals against Man City when they flooded forward was almost in this mode - which was whyt I was confused we didn't try and do more of this against wigan...

[shurlock]

edit

[shurlock]

4231...like this:

 

 

I think Ramirez and Lambert could rotate their positions, as could Lallana and Ramirez. I think Lallana would really click with playing alongside another skilful, quick footed player like Ramirez. I can see lots of clever interplay between those two.

 

Dont let MLG see this.

[Webby]

Although I think the 4-2-3-1 (deep) would work well, I would still however love to see the Diamond return with the signing of Ramirez. Could really flourish in it IMO.

 

                   Davis


Clyne        Fonte         Hooiveld        Fox


               Schneiderlin


      Davis                   Lallana


                 Ramirez


        Lambert           Rodriguez

 

I can see the appeal of this but I don't like to see Lallana in the middle. I think there's too much work for him to do there, stifling his creative side a little.

[Frank's cousin]

Like the look of this, with a new CB and LB this formation would suit the players we have IMO

 

Only problem I had with this was we did become quite narrow at times unless Fox or the RB got forward - in L1/CCC not that much a problem, but in Prem likely to get nastily exposed down the flanks?

[Frank's cousin]

Dont let MLG see this.

 

He not like 4231? Its Cool:smug:

[The Godfather]

I can just see the Bologna version of Branfoot calling their protesting fans as 'just kids'. lol

[Saintandy666]

Webby's team is certainly starting to look more like Premier League standard. Just get a CB and maybe a LB in and I think we are there.

[shurlock]

Seems the President went and had a personal chat with some of the fans.

 

DL_corriere: guaraldi 'parlamenta' con i tifosi / guaraldi 'in talks' with some fan #bolognafc foto di benvenuti, presto la gallery http://t.co/NevuhfuD

 

DL_corriere: Guaraldi 'parliamentary' with fans / Guaraldi 'in talks' with some fan # bolognafc photos of welcome, the gallery soon http://t.co/NevuhfuD

 

 

Looks straight out of the Eddie Mitchell mould. Right down to the undone shirt buttons.

[Frank's cousin]

Webby's team is certainly starting to look more like Premier League standard. Just get a CB and maybe a LB in and I think we are there.

 

Clyne Jos Hummels;) Lahm;)

 

Spider Schweinsteiger;)

 

Lee Adam Gaston

 

Ricardo Di Lamberto

 

Looks like a Champions league side now- well almost:lol:

[hypochondriac]

Any update today? First time I've checked since this morning.

[saint_jas]

Any update today? First time I've checked since this morning.

 

1st time I have checked since Friday... Can see this dragging till end of week.

[alpine_saint]

1st time I have checked since Friday... Can see this dragging till end of week.

 

Or slip out of the window completely........

[Turkish]

Thats seem fair - Lee could afterall stay out wide and you just have Ramierz and Adam interchanging - as long as on smae wavelength and dont the flank exposed... if Cork develops he could fit into the '2' and might add the attacking dimension from there... seemed that the goals against Man City when they flooded forward was almost in this mode - which was whyt I was confused we didn't try and do more of this against wigan...

 

Nothing to stop lee switching wings though so he could do it, or join up with RL/JR to make a second striker when attacking.

[hypochondriac]

Or slip out of the window completely........

 

Lol.

[St Lej]

Or slip out of the window completely........

 

Yeah, me too. I mean let's look at the facts. The player has agreed personal terms, we are very keen to land him, Bologna are desperate to sell.....yeah I can see both clubs letting this one just miss the deadline.

[Frank's cousin]

Or slip out of the window completely........

 

What happened to the power of positive thinking?

 

Come on Alps, it will either be wrapped up or it wont, nowt we can do about it - lets worry about what it means when we know one way or another....?

[SO16_Saint]

Bologna in talks with Michael Owen

[charliemiller]

One point is that its not really one up front , or it shouldnt be with 4231 or 4321 ..... when this was introduced by Mouriniho a few years back with Drogba up front the whole point was that he wasnt alone up front when they attacked , the players playing behind the forward had pace and were fluid , they dropped back when needed in Midfield and streamed into attacking support when required. The single player upfront was never isolated in the way SRL has appeared to be at times when we have played this system.

 

It may come with time or with players with more pace to support him , also this systems needs BOTH full backs to push forward and offer overlaps Clyne was doing it on Saturday Fox wasnt !

[Gingeletiss]

It isn't £70K a week.

 

'tis Poopey maths don't forget

[Monk]

This is ****ing boring now.

 

Just get it done!

[St Lej]

Alpine reminds me of Victor Meldrew. I'm sure at some point over the last few years he's received at least one large parcel through the mail with the label "Alpine Saturd" written on the side

[St.Patrik]

According to Swedish press it´s a done deal with a 5 year contract. http://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/premier-league/southamptons-skona-besked-stjarnan-klar/

[St_Tel49]

The Metro this morning seemed to think so too - can't give a link I'm afraid

[buctootim]

According to Swedish press it´s a done deal with a 5 year contract. http://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/premier-league/southamptons-skona-besked-stjarnan-klar/

 

Southampton recruits Bologna midfield star, Gaston Ramirez.

 

The 21-year-old Uruguayan international has signed a five year contract with the newcomers in the Premier League. Here is the good news to all Southampton fans. Premier League newcomer has made it clear with Bologna midfielder Gaston Ramirez. The purchase went to the end to 120 million, a record sum for the club, and will give Ramirez 490 000 kronor a week.

 

Five-year Contract. The contract is written in five years. In addition, the Birmingham Hill, Curtis Davies making Ramirez company, according to Mirror Football. Davies initially looked to be on their way to be reunited with manager Chris Hughton in Norwich, but they acquired Tottenham defender Sebastien Basson instead. It opens the door wide open for a move to Southampton instead

[Supersubpuckett]

Southampton recruits Bologna midfield star, Gaston Ramirez.

 

The 21-year-old Uruguayan international has signed a five year contract with the newcomers in the Premier League. Here is the good news to all Southampton fans. Premier League newcomer has made it clear with Bologna midfielder Gaston Ramirez. The purchase went to the end to 120 million, a record sum for the club, and will give Ramirez 490 000 kronor a week.

 

Five-year Contract. The contract is written in five years. In addition, the Birmingham Hill, Curtis Davies making Ramirez company, according to Mirror Football. Davies initially looked to be on their way to be reunited with manager Chris Hughton in Norwich, but they acquired Tottenham defender Sebastien Basson instead. It opens the door wide open for a move to Southampton instead

 

this is just a re-write of the Mirror article

[Spudders]

Southampton recruits Bologna midfield star, Gaston Ramirez.

 

The 21-year-old Uruguayan international has signed a five year contract with the newcomers in the Premier League. Here is the good news to all Southampton fans. Premier League newcomer has made it clear with Bologna midfielder Gaston Ramirez. The purchase went to the end to 120 million, a record sum for the club, and will give Ramirez 490 000 kronor a week.

 

Five-year Contract. The contract is written in five years. In addition, the Birmingham Hill, Curtis Davies making Ramirez company, according to Mirror Football. Davies initially looked to be on their way to be reunited with manager Chris Hughton in Norwich, but they acquired Tottenham defender Sebastien Basson instead. It opens the door wide open for a move to Southampton instead

 

I'm not sure he's worth that?

[*Halo*]

With the benefit of understanding both the lingo and the interpretation of certain italian words and phrases it might help forum readers to know that the google translation above is misleading -

Thanks mate. Was surprised no-one else had mentioned it, so just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to offer the posts you have done, clarifying the translations for us. It certainly helps to understand the situations we've had arising more clearly, and is much appreciated.

[saintfully]

Thanks mate. Was surprised no-one else had mentioned it, so just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to offer the posts you have done, clarifying the translations for us. It certainly helps to understand the situations we've had arising more clearly, and is much appreciated.

 

This. Much appreciated here too.

[up and away]

According to Swedish press it´s a done deal with a 5 year contract. http://www.expressen.se/sport/fotboll/premier-league/southamptons-skona-besked-stjarnan-klar/

 

It all looks a done deal as far as Bologna. the player and agent are concerned. I would expect this is all signed up subject to contract with no leverage for backing out now. If we were to just pay Penerol the 30% sell on fee, even Penarol could not stop the deal going through. The trouble is it appears Saints want to renegotiate this sell on fee to a future arrangement. To me this looks a nightmare to negotiate and unless you are prepared to balance things significantly towards Penerol, does not look promising. When Peneraol start talking about wanting a % for the players development that is concerning. That aspect has absolutely no place in these negotiations and can only be viewed as Penerol pressurising Saints for extra monies. Any renegotiation with Penerol would put them in the driving seat with little to lose in being awkward, but potential for gain.