Gaston Ramirez - Signs 4 Year Deal

[MOSaint]

DL_corriere: guaraldi: 'non capisco la contestazione, #ramirez non è stato venduto' #bolognafc

 

DL_corriere: Guaraldi: 'I do not understand the challenge, # ramirez has not been sold' # bolognafc

 

And so it rumbles on...

 

I know it's google translated or w/e but it seems like he doesn't understand why it still hasn't completed.

[charliemiller]

Your all forgetting how good Tadanari Lee is ...............IMHO he is as good as Ramirez , Just needs to get fully fit . Can see him being first or second on the team sheet once he is.

[Smirking_Saint]

Because Norm we dont have the players on the bench to make an impact in the prem, we seriously lack pace going forward, rodriguez and sharp are really both out n out strikers, Rodriguez has a more to his game though.

 

If the 433 set up doesnt work than we havent the players to do anything else.

 

It was obv sat that Martinez had done his homework, he let Jos and Fonte keep the ball as long as they wanted but as soon as the ball went to the full backs they were closed down. Thus stopping us playing out from defence.

 

Not too worried at the moment but the fact that we are primarily a passing side and have managed less than 40% of possession in last two games worries me.

[itchen_dan]

I know it's google translated or w/e but it seems like he doesn't understand why it still hasn't completed.

 

DL_corriere: @danbsfc he told 'ramirez has not been sold' .. i must say (yet) ?

 

danbsfc: @DL_corriere still expecting him to be sold soon then? deal still on course?

 

DL_corriere: @danbsfc yes

 

He still sounds confident but I dont know why the president would come out and say this if the deal was imminent?

[Bucks Saint]

Your all forgetting how good Tadanari Lee is ...............IMHO he is as good as Ramirez , Just needs to get fully fit . Can see him being first or second on the team sheet once he is.

 

I bow to those who have seen more of him play than I have (though he looked good in the brief time I saw him). But I thought he was (another) out and out striker?

 

NB I was hoping to go to Stevenage tonight so could have seen Lee, but have got to work late now FFS!

[Frank's cousin]

I know it's google translated or w/e but it seems like he doesn't understand why it still hasn't completed.

 

NObody does - but suspect there is a simple explanation and final bits and pieces are being sorted rather than anything sinister.

[charliemiller]

His movement and runs are world class ....actually they were to good for his team mates in many cases last season when he played . He can play in the hole and make those runs , ideally suited to the premiership in my opinion.

[Minty]

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This is not a dig at NA but if it was obvious to the vast majority on Saturday, why was it not seen by those that matter (ie coaches and Manager)?

 

It was, Adkins mentions it in his post-match interview, about how he changed it but that actually we conceded more possession after this.

 

Having started with 4-3-3, I've made the call – and that's my responsibility – to put Adam out wide and Jay up front with Rickie in a 4-4-2.

 

"But, in the next ten-minute period, we allowed Wigan far too much possession of the football and let them pass the ball about.

 

"We have to give ourselves an opportunity to go and score goals, but we ended up chasing it a little bit too much," Nigel surmised.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Wrong. Turkish was saying he's an out and out winger in the Aaron Lennon mould yesterday. Can't and won't be playing in the centre because that's where Lallana plays.

 

He's not like Lennon at all! He is a winger (can also play in the centre) but doesn't play like Lennon at all. He is like a quicker version of Lallana, and tends to roam inside a lot.

[Giordano]

With the benefit of understanding both the lingo and the interpretation of certain italian words and phrases it might help forum readers to know that the google translation above is misleading - contestazione in the context shown above basically means fan upset and complaint rather than "challenge". When the Bologna President says he doesnt understand fans complaints as Ramirez has not been sold he is basically being disengenuous- he is inferring that Ramirez has precipitated the sale rather than Bologna and therefore what could he as President of Bologna do- he does not understand how they can be upset given the guy wants to leave ....its all about saving face with the fans when you sell a star name...he also has the backstop that Ramirez has still not officially signed- also another disengenuous ploy as its fairly clear that he WILL be leaving so he can also pont to that. Bit of a fig leaf but im sure he has a name or two lined up in replacement...possibly Floccari if reports are correct and that may prove some partial compensation.

[Thedelldays]

It was, Adkins mentions it in his post-match interview, about how he changed it but that actually we conceded more possession after this.

interesting...i think the wigan game was a steep learning curve for nigel...he is a clever cookie so hopefully did him some good

[SuperMikey]

---------------DAVIS-----------------

CLYNE----FONTE----HOOIVELD----FOX

------------SCHNEIDERLIN------------

-------DAVIS------------LALLANA-----

RAMIREZ--------------------------LEE

--------------LAMBERT---------------

 

Subs: Gazza, Richardson, Seaborne, JWP, Guly, Sharp, Rodriguez

 

I agree that Tadanari is quality, his movement working off Lallana would be great. He's used to playing wide left as well. Would allow us to change easily to a 4-4-2 during the game as well if need be.

[Katalinic]

His movement and runs are world class ....actually they were to good for his team mates in many cases last season when he played . He can play in the hole and make those runs , ideally suited to the premiership in my opinion.

 

I agree. Ramirez seems to me to be a player with the vision to pick these runs out.

[Minty]

interesting...i think the wigan game was a steep learning curve for nigel...he is a clever cookie so hopefully did him some good

 

I have no doubt that it did. He is always learning and looking for ways to improve and I for one think we need to back him unequivocally this season as a result.

[Frank's cousin]

---------------DAVIS-----------------

CLYNE----FONTE----HOOIVELD----FOX

------------SCHNEIDERLIN------------

-------DAVIS------------LALLANA-----

RAMIREZ--------------------------LEE

--------------LAMBERT---------------

 

Subs: Gazza, Richardson, Seaborne, JWP, Guly, Sharp, Rodriguez

 

I agree that Tadanari is quality, his movement working off Lallana would be great. He's used to playing wide left as well. Would allow us to change easily to a 4-4-2 during the game as well if need be.

 

Quite like this biut would go more 4231 - in an ideal world we ould have ramierz, adma and Lee being able to interchnage as well, to keep everyone guessing - having them pop up here and there etc... but possibly too much to ask...

[Asaint4ever]

So does anyone have any news if he will be signing this evening? Or likely to be on the last day? Just i check this page everyday and we are now on page 110 and still he ain't signed?

[Norm]

Having started with 4-3-3, I've made the call – and that's my responsibility – to put Adam out wide and Jay up front with Rickie in a 4-4-2.

 

"But, in the next ten-minute period, we allowed Wigan far too much possession of the football and let them pass the ball about.

 

"We have to give ourselves an opportunity to go and score goals, but we ended up chasing it a little bit too much," Nigel surmised.

 

 

 

We were chasing shadows in the second half! If it was seen that it was not working, was it impossible to change it again? I get the point re not having the players etc.

[Turkish]

Wrong. Turkish was saying he's an out and out winger in the Aaron Lennon mould yesterday. Can't and won't be playing in the centre because that's where Lallana plays.

 

You dont half talk some sh*t. I didn't say he was like Aaron lennon at all. I said he will probably start out wide but be give licence to roam and come inside. If you check his you tube video a lot of his best work seems to come from this postion. You agreed with me as well so stop talking out of your arse.

[Saint_lambden]

Gustavo D. Palacios @ guspalacios7

The # Southampton achieved a record deal by Gaston Ramirez, the payment would be 11 MDL or 13.2 MDE for # Bologna x Uruguayan # MercadoFutbol

 

James Smith ‏@J5mith1997

@guspalacios7 Do you know when it will go through Gus?

 

Gustavo D. Palacios ‏@guspalacios7

@J5mith1997 hello James, its done.

[itchen_dan]

DL_corriere: breaking news: 150 fans outside the training centre very angry with #bolognafc president guaraldi. police worked over

 

DL_corriere: la cessione di #ramirez ha l'idea di essere la classica goccia che fa traboccare il vaso dei rapporti tra tifosi e proprietà

 

DL_corriere: the transfer of # ramirez has the idea of ​​being the straw that breaks the camel of the relationship between fans and properties

Edited 28 August, 2012 by itchen_dan

[up and away]

NObody does - but suspect there is a simple explanation and final bits and pieces are being sorted rather than anything sinister.

 

I keep forgeting that Saints are renegotiating the Penarol sell on clause, that is massive. Penarol know both Saints and Bologna are over a barrel here so can stretch this to their full advantage. The trouble is how do you equate the current lump sum owed to a future sum with all the possibles attached. The fact Penarol are now quoting for his time as a youth player really should not enter into matters, just shows how dislocated discussions are getting. This is the first time I have seen Cortese put to the test in having to deal in this matter for a player he really believes can make a difference. Just wondering how much more he will take before giving Penarol the one fingered salute. It would not surprise if the original Penarol sell on clause is taken up, that should not be up for discussion as to what we are seeing here. I wonder whether FIFA allow 3rd party negotiations to extend beyond the initial contract, can't recall seiing this before.

 

The last time I got so charged about signing a player was Kevin Phillips, hope this result turns out better.

[Bearsy]

DL_corriere: breaking news: 150 fans outside the training centre very angry with #bolognafc president guaraldi. police worked over

 

Does police worked over mean police "worked over"

 

That's commitment! Ultras! Ultras!

[JoeShmoe]

---------------DAVIS-----------------

CLYNE----*New CB*----HOOIVELD----*SHAW or New LB*

------------SCHNEIDERLIN------------

-------DAVIS------------LALLANA-----

RAMIREZ--------------------------LEE or *New LM*

--------------LAMBERT---------------

 

Subs: Gazza, Richardson, Seaborne, JWP, Guly, Sharp, Rodriguez

 

I'd have Lee as well for his pace, see how he goes tonight. By Fri night im hoping we have a new CB and a new wide midfielder as well (i.e. Phillips or Maykuna). I'd have Fox out as well as he's not up to this league

[Dig Dig]

You dont half talk some sh*t. I didn't say he was like Aaron lennon at all. I said he will probably start out wide but be give licence to roam and come inside. If you check his you tube video a lot of his best work seems to come from this postion. You agreed with me as well so stop talking out of your arse.

 

Lol, pretty irritating when someone takes what you say, twists it, exaggerates it and then repeats it daily isn't it?

[Matthew Le God]

---------------DAVIS-----------------

CLYNE----*New CB*----HOOIVELD----*SHAW or New LB*

------------SCHNEIDERLIN------------

-------DAVIS------------LALLANA-----

RAMIREZ--------------------------LEE or *New LM*

--------------LAMBERT---------------

 

Subs: Gazza, Richardson, Seaborne, JWP, Guly, Sharp, Rodriguez

 

So you want a new centre back and then pick Seaborne over Fonte for a place on the bench?

[Bearsy]

Fonte pulled up injured in training.

[Turkish]

Lol, pretty irritating when someone takes what you say, twists it, exaggerates it and then repeats it daily isn't it?

 

not irritating at all as that isn't what i said. You even agreed with what i actually did say!

[Saint Charlie]

Hopefully the fan reaction doesn't make Bologna change the terms.

[itchen_dan]

DL_corriere: #southampton fans, when something official will be told i will let you know

[Lord Duckhunter]

4-4-2 has a place in the modern game and can be used at various times. Chasing the game against Wigan is not one of them and they passed us to death. NA obviously wanted Sharp & Lambo upfront, but should have gone with 3-5-2 in my opinion. If Man Utd have carrick at the back sun, I would go 4-4-2 early on and chuck it in the mixer a bit.

[Thedelldays]

4-4-2 has a place in the modern game and can be used at various times. Chasing the game against Wigan is not one of them and they passed us to death. NA obviously wanted Sharp & Lambo upfront, but should have gone with 3-5-2 in my opinion. If Man Utd have carrick at the back sun, I would go 4-4-2 early on and chuck it in the mixer a bit.

you would hope so..get lambert all over carrick

[Dig Dig]

not irritating at all as that isn't what i said. You even agreed with what i actually did say!

 

Haha, I know but you couldn't have emphasised any more that he was a winger! Anyway, it matters not, he'll play left, right and centre as he's a quality player. Really hope we just get this one done!

[Bearsy]

4-4-2 has a place in the modern game and can be used at various times. Chasing the game against Wigan is not one of them and they passed us to death. NA obviously wanted Sharp & Lambo upfront, but should have gone with 3-5-2 in my opinion.

 

That's what Wigan want you to do, they want you to switch to 3 at a back because then you're playing their system except they've been playing it longer, better, and have brought players to suit it. I think they've been proper clever adopting a system no-one else plays. Good strategy for a minnow swimming upstream or whatever. Reckon they'll survive comfortably this year.

[Thedelldays]

That's what Wigan want you to do, they want you to switch to 3 at a back because then you're playing their system except they've been playing it longer, better, and have brought players to suit it. I think they've been proper clever adopting a system no-one else plays. Good strategy for a minnow swimming upstream or whatever. Reckon they'll survive comfortably this year.

look at their run end of last season when the got used to their new system....

[itchen_dan]

DL_corriere: angry fans outside the training centre were 450 people ca. not 150 as i previously told #bolognafc

[St Chalet]

If we had enough centre backs 3-5-2 might be the answer, Clyne would fit the profile as would the LB's we have been linked with. Would mean we could keep the numbers in midfield but also put someone up top to feed off the Lambert knock downs. Rickie does not look comfortable as a lone striker.

[Saint Garrett]

If we had enough centre backs 3-5-2 might be the answer, Clyne would fit the profile as would the LB's we have been linked with. Would mean we could keep the numbers in midfield but also put someone up top to feed off the Lambert knock downs. Rickie does not look comfortable as a lone striker.

 

But then there would be no point signing Ramirez ?!

[itchen_dan]

If we had enough centre backs 3-5-2 might be the answer, Clyne would fit the profile as would the LB's we have been linked with. Would mean we could keep the numbers in midfield but also put someone up top to feed off the Lambert knock downs. Rickie does not look comfortable as a lone striker.

 

Try telling that to some on here.

[Turkish]

If we had enough centre backs 3-5-2 might be the answer, Clyne would fit the profile as would the LB's we have been linked with. Would mean we could keep the numbers in midfield but also put someone up top to feed off the Lambert knock downs. Rickie does not look comfortable as a lone striker.

 

No, dont like 3-5-2, easily undone by quick widemen with balls in between the wing backs and centre backs. 4-2-3-1 is the way forward with 3 attacking midfielders who can rotate positions and 2 from MS/JC/SD/JWP as holding defensive midfielders.

[Weston Saint]

There have been a number of conflicting tweets over this whole period lifting and then deflating some of our more prolific posters. The fact is that until Bologna and or Saints announce it, it is not a done deal and anything can go wrong.

 

It has been reported by tweets today from so called informed sources in Italy that the Bologna President has said the deal is not done. It could be that both clubs have a pact that until every last thing is agreed and signed there will be no announcement of the transfer. It could likewise be that an agreement has not been reached.

 

Before posters start putting him in the team line ups just wait and see.

[buctootim]

If we had enough centre backs 3-5-2 might be the answer, Clyne would fit the profile as would the LB's we have been linked with. Would mean we could keep the numbers in midfield but also put someone up top to feed off the Lambert knock downs. Rickie does not look comfortable as a lone striker.

 

Most (successful) modern teams are about being fluid - players moving forward in attack and defending in numbers so you flood the opposition by having a man over. A lot of the talk about set formations is like talking about static trench warfare - a bit outdated imo.

[itchen_dan]

If we had enough centre backs 3-5-2 might be the answer, Clyne would fit the profile as would the LB's we have been linked with. Would mean we could keep the numbers in midfield but also put someone up top to feed off the Lambert knock downs. Rickie does not look comfortable as a lone striker.

 

This variation of 3-5-2 looks abit exposed down the flanks to me.

 

[St Chalet]

Most (successful) modern teams are about being fluid - players moving forward in attack and defending in numbers so you flood the opposition by having a man over. A lot of the talk about set formations is like talking about static trench warfare - a bit outdated imo.

 

We tried 'total' football. That didn't work out so well*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Yes I know the players were ****e and we had no money.

[SuperSAINT]

This variation of 3-5-2 looks abit exposed down the flanks to me.

 

 

Yup, the only way you can play that formation is with 2 VERY attacking full backs. Not Ramirez.

 

It's more the old German-style 5-3-2

[Saint Charlie]

This variation of 3-5-2 looks abit exposed down the flanks to me.

 

 

As Ron said, probably best to wait for official confirmation before posting team line ups.

[Stattmeister]

https://twitter.com/DL_corriere/status/240500858482212864/photo/1

 

Does that work? Bologna training ground. The natives are restless.

[Saint Charlie]

https://twitter.com/DL_corriere/status/240500858482212864/photo/1

 

Does that work? Bologna training ground. The natives are restless.

 

Let's just get it done.

[Stattmeister]

https://twitter.com/DL_corriere/status/240500858482212864/photo/1/large

 

And another.

[St Chalet]

This variation of 3-5-2 looks abit exposed down the flanks to me.

 

 

Don't disagree, with Ramirez in the team, the 4-2-3-1 that Turkish mentioned is more logical. You just won't get the best out of Lambert IMHO.

[itchen_dan]

Although I think the 4-2-3-1 (deep) would work well, I would still however love to see the Diamond return with the signing of Ramirez. Could really flourish in it IMO.

 

                   Davis


Clyne        Fonte         Hooiveld        Fox


               Schneiderlin


      Davis                   Lallana


                 Ramirez


        Lambert           Rodriguez