S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 It will be sorted, don't worry. Just another twist in the constant twists of this transfer. Thankfully it only has 4 more days to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Daniele Labanti™ @DL_corriere @KyleMartinSFC for me it's a small detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If we don't sign this bloke then NC/NA better have a good explanation or we will look bloody stupid. I've been watching saints since 1970 and have never experienced anything like it! The reason being is because up until the mid 00's, there were very little rumours on the internet. It was all sourced for press and hard copies. Now because of the nature of the world, and the introduction of twitter, facebook etc, we get to see every single detail because parties now tweet and journalists also tweet. So basically, there have probably been plenty of deals as complex as this in the past - we just never got to hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 It will be sorted, don't worry. Just another twist in the constant twists of this transfer. Thankfully it only has 4 more days to run. Why'd u think that mate? Also do u think that guy in the Swiss league is likely to sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If we don't sign this bloke then NC/NA better have a good explanation or we will look bloody stupid. I've been watching saints since 1970 and have never experienced anything like it! I can only imagine that you have not taken the trouble to read any of the other 103 pages since this is one transfer that NC has acted impeccably on. And since when does N A have involvement in transfers?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Why'd u think that mate? Also do u think that guy in the Swiss league is likely to sign? Because it's in all parties interests for it to happen. Bologna have already moved to put the money to use by signing a new striker, who they need to get over the line ASAP. We have our guys over there today conducting a medical and he's started his visa application. The latest twist is incredibly minor as far as I'm concerned and the only reason we're getting stressed about it is because of the presence of twitter. Deals to and throw like this all the time, but it's in everyone's interests to now get this sorted ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Mousse81: #Ramirez is a transfer saga: now there are some problems between Saints, Penarol and Bentancur. Nothing dramatic, but money problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Here we go again....... Again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Wake me up on page 150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Russ Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Meanwhile Tottenham and Liverpool gleefully watch the events while hovering over their cheque books! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I reckon, there's a fourth Uruguayan party involved who are after 5% of the total sale price. Perhaps sharing the interest albeit as a lower percentage of that belonging to peranol I think the 5% also includes the 600,000 dancers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Meanwhile Tottenham and Liverpool gleefully watch the events while hovering over their cheque books! Liverpool haven't been interested since Comolli left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 The reason being is because up until the mid 00's, there were very little rumours on the internet. It was all sourced for press and hard copies. Now because of the nature of the world, and the introduction of twitter, facebook etc, we get to see every single detail because parties now tweet and journalists also tweet. So basically, there have probably been plenty of deals as complex as this in the past - we just never got to hear about it. Yes and no. Agree that Twitter and social media are simply shining light on all the dirty laundry that used to be done behind closed doors. BUT We're living in the wake of a financial crisis where credit and funding have been reined in and clubs are having to find more elaborate ways to fund deals and/or being more cautious when it comes to counterparties. And second, the transfer market is a lot more globalised than in the past - this deal involves not just one club but two clubs in two different continents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I hope we have enough time to appeal should a work permit application be rejected (which technically it will be). Would be typical to finally get everything agreed and then miss the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I think the 5% also includes the 600,000 dancers Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 wow threads like this make me wonder if there really is an iGod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Meanwhile Tottenham and Liverpool gleefully watch the events while hovering over their cheque books! And it will be so much easier for them to close the deal in 4 days won't it? It's impossible for another club to now steal in as far as I'm concerned. There are so many third party contractual issues in this deal that it's not something that can be easily resolved in 4 days. We've been working on this for weeks. Hence why it's in everyone's interests to sort. Bologna need the money, even more so now that they've lined up their new player. Gaston wants to move, and if this now falls through he won't get a move and everyone will be left in a mess. So that's why it will happen. Relax. I don't think it'll be done tomorrow, or Wednesday, probably late thursday going through to Deadline day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If we don't sign this bloke then NC/NA better have a good explanation or we will look bloody stupid. I've been watching saints since 1970 and have never experienced anything like it! Comedy post of day Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Mousse81: @jimmysaint7 @danbsfc Seem complete, lack of some details to close tomorrow with Bologna. More problems Saints-agent-Penarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Will be kind of funny if he is ****e. he doesn't adapt the the premier league,quelle surprise. his temperament is awful,nothing strange for a south American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 It would be an interesting poll now, will we/won't we? I think some of the nay-sayers would vote the other way (me included) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If all these issues are resolved and he signs what is the chances of him getting a work permit in time for Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 NOT itk, but just had reply to a text. Based on that, I remain 100% hopeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 NOT itk, but just had reply to a text. Based on that, I remain 100% hopeful. share it with us ffs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If all these issues are resolved and he signs what is the chances of him getting a work permit in time for Sunday? He will not feature on Sunday, whatever happens. He will feature away at Arsenal though I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 NOT itk, but just had reply to a text. Based on that, I remain 100% hopeful. Well that sounds positive. Care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If all these issues are resolved and he signs what is the chances of him getting a work permit in time for Sunday? I'm not sure how it would work - would he need his work permit in place before he could sign on the dotted line? If so, then that too would need to be sorted by Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 He will not feature on Sunday, whatever happens. He will feature away at Arsenal though I expect. Whys that? Jarvis signed late Friday and played Saturday at 12.45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I'm not sure how it would work - would he need his work permit in place before he could sign on the dotted line? If so, then that too would need to be sorted by Friday. The work permit is a formality from what I can work out. Due to his reputation in the game, his time in Italy and the fact that he has played 70% of first team games for Uruguay over the last year (inc. the Olympic games). So it should just be a formality that if required can be processed quite quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Whys that? Jarvis signed late Friday and played Saturday at 12.45. Slightly different. He's coming into a totally different culture, he's actually got a slight niggle as well (I thought that was just the normal transfer injury at first, but alas it's not). Give him 2 weeks before throwing him in...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I hope we have enough time to appeal should a work permit application be rejected (which technically it will be). Would be typical to finally get everything agreed and then miss the deadline. Just out of interest why would the application be rejected? I don't know anything about this sort of thing so not disagreeing just interested to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I'm not sure how it would work - would he need his work permit in place before he could sign on the dotted line? If so, then that too would need to be sorted by Friday. As far as I remember, you can sign someone subject to Intl Clearance. Same as with Davis from Rangers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I hope we have enough time to appeal should a work permit application be rejected (which technically it will be). Would be typical to finally get everything agreed and then miss the deadline. Why do you think the work permit application will be rejected technically? On what grounds? I thought he had played enough internationals for Uruguay for which he has been available for selection in last 2 years. There certainly is no issue with Uruguay's ranking. Or is the technical issue that we are not Manure or Citeh or Arse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Could someone prècis todays latest news, if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Could someone prècis todays latest news, if any. Italian press reporting it was a done deal earlier, now they're saying more complications and not a done deal. The same as every other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Could someone prècis todays latest news, if any. We've agreed an improved deal with Bologna which they are now happy with. They now get more money up front which is what they required, which has allowed them to today agree a fee with a Lazio striker. Gaston has been in Rome sorting out his visa application, and having a medical as we apparently sent our medical team to meet him there to speed the process along. The minor detail left to sort is the % Panarol get from it. They're not quite happy at the moment, but it seems to just be a minor issue. I'd say the signing is probably as imminent as it's ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 As far as I remember, you can sign someone subject to Intl Clearance. Same as with Davis from Rangers? You are confusing work permits and international clearance, they are very different. One is a sporting regulation (by FIFA) one is a UK (or EC) law. He will need both before he can play, international clearance is not an issue, it would be granted, work permit could be if he doesn't automatically meet the very precise criteria, but we would almost certainly still sign him anyway (I'm sure we would not have got this far if there was any question of not getting a work permit). It might go to appeal, but even in very dodgy cases, such as Marian Pahars, the appeal is usually successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Could someone prècis todays latest news, if any. Deal was signed now its not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 DL_corriere: @Saintsareback @RossiSFC @7pickett75 penarol just doesn't want to lose its money in the future DL_corriere: @RossiSFC @Saintsareback @7pickett75 @tancredipalmeri still no agreement with penarol. deal completed = ramirez 100% saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 “@DL_corriere: Penarol 30% means that the club who sells ramirez pays 30% of its gain. Ok saints fans? ” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 DL_corriere: Penarol 30% means that the club who sells ramirez pays 30% of its gain. Ok saints fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 so, yes..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 So basically, (we think) a fee was agreed for Penarols 30%, but we couldn't agree a fee with Bologna. To counter this we decided to pay the amount to Penarol to Bologna as an addition up front and then to provide a sell on fee clause to Penarol, meaning that our initial outlay is around the same. Problem now being that Penarol won't agree to our new terms? Question is if this is the case, why the hell didn't we sound out Penarol first? Have I followed this correctly? Penarol or whoever can only follow the conditions in the contract they had with Bologna. They are allowed a percentage of further transfer fees but they have no power of negotiation. FIFA does not allow multiple owners as demonstrated in the Tevez case for expressly this purpose.. So what ever that contract states will be the rate and Penarol can do nothing about that. This 5% may be a commission to FIFA (as all monies have to go through FIFA). It may be something to do with what is regarded as the actual fee. This will be explicit in the contract and something FIFA can rule on very quickly. Even if this is not explicit it will then fall to the simplest definition and go forward on that basis. Penarol can delay things in the short term but this can be easily adjudicated by FIFA. In previous cases of sell on fee disagreements it's between the selling club and FIFA. I am pretty sure Penarol cannot stop this going through and Saints just need to pay the Penarol share to FIFA for this to go through. FIFA may adjudicate we have to pay that little more but I really doubt this. The FIFA rules are specifically designed to stop this sort of thing happening, hence why you cannot have more than one owner but you can have contractual sell on fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I don't get it no deal with penerol, but now he's saying it's a 30% sell on clause? If that's true they don't have a say, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If some anonymous twitterer with a funny name says so that's good enough for me! Welcome aboard Gaston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 Why do you think the work permit application will be rejected technically? On what grounds? I thought he had played enough internationals for Uruguay for which he has been available for selection in last 2 years. There certainly is no issue with Uruguay's ranking. Or is the technical issue that we are not Manure or Citeh or Arse? I thought someone earlier had mentioned that he hadn't played in 75% of games? Very happy to be wrong about this - where is MLG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 I don't get it no deal with penerol, but now he's saying it's a 30% sell on clause? If that's true they don't have a say, right? The general story from earlier was that Panarols stake was being converted into a 30% sell on fee for any future transfer. This now seems to be the sticking point. Maybe they don't want to lose out on the money here and now, and feel Bologna should still pay up a bit? It's minor anyway, whatever the hitch is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 If we don't sign this bloke then NC/NA better have a good explanation or we will look bloody stupid. I've been watching saints since 1970 and have never experienced anything like it! You really are a drama queen. I suppose you were following the gossip about the Keegan signing minute by minute in the months leading up to it. How did keep up to date then ? Carrier pidgeon ? Morse code ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 27 August, 2012 Share Posted 27 August, 2012 He will sign, I'm 100% sure of that. We probably have another day or so of needless fretting ahead though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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