Seaborne Out on Loan?

[Saint Charlie]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11684/7987799

 

Must be two centre backs lined up as NA has said all along. Makes sense for Seaborne to get a season in the Championship.

[Glasgow_Saint]

good idea

[LGTL]

Would seem to suggest one or two CB's are imminent, hopefully.

[Saint Garrett]

Hopefully he'll leave. I dread to think of him playing in the prem. Hopefully also means CB's are imminent...

[Saint Charlie]

Would seem to suggest one or two CB's are imminent, hopefully.

 

If he leaves then definitely two - not enough to have three CBs and we can't bring any in on loan during the season.

 

One might be a relatively young player, but definitely two bodies needed.

[trousers]

Looks like we may have one or two centre backs lined up then.

[Saint Charlie]

Hopefully he'll leave. I dread to think of him playing in the prem. Hopefully also means CB's are imminent...

 

Friendlies Ive seen him in he has looked assured on the ball. Definitely the best passer of the CBs we have. Not actually as bad as people make out, he was a scapegoat for us not being promoted in the first L1 season.

[Saint Garrett]

Friendlies Ive seen him in he has looked assured on the ball. Definitely the best passer of the CBs we have. Not actually as bad as people make out, he was a scapegoat for us not being promoted in the first L1 season.

 

Not at all. He just isnt very good. He probably would have left last season had be not got injured. Would much prefer Martin in the team that Seaborne.

[Colinjb]

Would seem to suggest one or two CB's are imminent, hopefully.

 

They would be an absolute necessity.

 

It's the single weakest area of the team and we are continuing to only be linked with exits. Here's hoping for some old style Cortese surprises.

[sfc4prem]

Not at all. He just isnt very good. He probably would have left last season had be not got injured. Would much prefer Martin in the team that Seaborne.

 

He was really good at the start of the season. Awesome in our win up at Barnsley. Then he had the incident and didn't play again.

 

Unfairly criticised.

[The9]

They would be an absolute necessity.

 

It's the single weakest area of the team and we are continuing to only be linked with exits. Here's hoping for some old style Cortese surprises.

 

Let's hope we've got them clinched BEFORE we let people go out - I don't recall us signing anyone to replace Martin yet, never mind Seaborne !

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Imagine the meltdown on here if we loaned him out and didn't immediately sign a replacement!

[Saint Charlie]

He was really good at the start of the season. Awesome in our win up at Barnsley. Then he had the incident and didn't play again.

 

Unfairly criticised.

 

This. Was selected ahead of Martin at the start of the season and did a good job in the first couple of games. Would be a good loan signing for Charlton or Millwall.

[Saint Garrett]

He was really good at the start of the season. Awesome in our win up at Barnsley. Then he had the incident and didn't play again.

 

Unfairly criticised.

 

One of the very few good games I've seen him have.

[saint_ed]

I'm not sure why people think this means we have replacements lined up. We aren't touting him out necessarily, it could simply be Charlton and Milwall making inquiries and us not proceeding until such time as we do have replacements.

 

It's no secret we are after some CB's.

[SNSUN]

It'd be good, and somewhat of a relief, if Seaborne went out on loan. He looked good in League One IMO, but has yet to show me he's capable of playing at a higher level, let alone a level with some of the best footballers in the world. Good recovery experience for him if it happens.

 

So, Fonte, Jos and Stephens. If that were our only centre back 3 this season, I'd crap my pants. Stephens is still learning the position. Two more centre backs MUST be brought in if this were to happen, and hopefully even if this doesn't happen we'll still see 1 in.

[WATERSIDEIFASAINT]

Meltdown if Seabourne goes out on loan before replacement brought in - TOO RIGHT It would be totally idiotic to let him go 1st as what happens if Jos and Jose get injured this week with no cover signed!!!?

[wireframebox]

Imagine the meltdown on here if we loaned him out and didn't immediately sign a replacement!

 

*pop*

[SNSUN]

Meltdown if Seabourne goes out on loan before replacement brought in - TOO RIGHT It would be totally idiotic to let him go 1st as what happens if Jos and Jose get injured this week with no cover signed!!!?

 

Cork and Morgan have both played CB in the past. Again I'd crap my pants if we resorted to that too. Fox played centre back last year too. However the last thing we want is makeshift centre backs. That's worse than the crud ones that got us relegated in the first place.

[The9]

Imagine the meltdown on here if we loaned him out and didn't immediately sign a replacement!

 

Meltdown if Seabourne goes out on loan before replacement brought in - TOO RIGHT It would be totally idiotic to let him go 1st as what happens if Jos and Jose get injured this week with no cover signed!!!?

 

Why imagine ?

[The9]

Cork and Morgan have both played CB in the past. Again I'd crap my pants if we resorted to that too. Fox played centre back last year too. However the last thing we want is makeshift centre backs. That's worse than the crud ones that got us relegated in the first place.

 

Lundekvam and Killer were a fine pair when fit, it was Svensson's injury, the signing of Davenport and using Jakobsson anywhere other than defensive midfield that did for us.

 

So the lesson would be "make sure you have 2 decent CBs to start with" and then "make sure you have at least one decent CB as cover".

 

If we use Cork or Fox there for more than 10 minutes we'll be screwed.

[itchen_dan]

From a reporter at NewsAtDen

 

@accordingtoaldo: #Millwall have no active interest in #SaintsFC centre-back Dan Seaborne. Reports based on old enquiry prior to signing of Danny ****tu.

[Avenue Saint]

From a reporter at NewsAtDen

 

@accordingtoaldo: #Millwall have no active interest in #SaintsFC centre-back Dan Seaborne. Reports based on old enquiry prior to signing of Danny ****tu.

 

Would've loved for him to leave. The guy looked a liability in league one, never mind premier league...

[The9]

Would've loved for him to leave. The guy looked a liability in league one, never mind premier league...

 

I'm pretty sure a warm body in central defence is still better than a massive gaping nothing, so I don't get your logic at all.

 

Also, the Millwall stuff might be lazy journalism, but the Charlton one could still be a new link.

[Avenue Saint]

I'm pretty sure a warm body in central defence is still better than a massive gaping nothing, so I don't get your logic at all.

 

Also, the Millwall stuff might be lazy journalism, but the Charlton one could still be a new link.

 

9, do you honestly think we are going to start the season with 2 first team centre backs?

[The9]

9, do you honestly think we are going to start the season with 2 first team centre backs?

 

No, but I also wouldn't assume we're going to be able to sign the ones we're after and get rid of players who could provide cover for, say, the League Cup, so we don't have to risk the Prem starters.

[Colinjb]

Would've loved for him to leave. The guy looked a liability in league one, never mind premier league...

 

He grew into his role during his time at the club. Sadly the incident in the nightclub pretty much finished his career here. Against Blackpool in the cup that time he was absolutely brilliant, certainly put Martin into the shade.

[Avenue Saint]

He grew into his role during his time at the club. Sadly the incident in the nightclub pretty much finished his career here. Against Blackpool in the cup that time he was absolutely brilliant, certainly put Martin into the shade.

 

Has had some ok games but on the whole, the guy is not up to standard I'm afraid. Would much rather 'experience up' the youth for league cup games and such...

[The9]

Has had some ok games but on the whole, the guy is not up to standard I'm afraid. Would much rather 'experience up' the youth for league cup games and such...

 

Can you name our current youth team centre backs ?

[Saint Fan CaM]

No time for sentimentality I'm afraid - Seaborne has had a good go at Saints but when I saw him pre-accident in games, he displayed an awful awareness and got turned inside out on many occasions. He also seemed to be very prone to hoofing the ball upfield - quite OK for a L1 outfit, but certainly no good for Prem.

 

Regardless of who is in the squad now, we need 1-2 experienced Prem level CB's and this will be facilitated by Seaborne moving on.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

From a reporter at NewsAtDen

 

@accordingtoaldo: #Millwall have no active interest in #SaintsFC centre-back Dan Seaborne. Reports based on old enquiry prior to signing of Danny ****tu.

 

I wonder if we've put this story out ourselves to try to generate some interest in him, and used a couple of clubs we knew were interested in the past

[The9]

we need 1-2 experienced Prem level CB's and this will be facilitated by Seaborne moving on.

 

Or staying exactly where he is.

[david in sweden]

I can't remember how far back the thread was exactly, but I do remember being criticised for my suggestions, but with Seaborne now quite likely going out on loan..... and " the three" being put on the list last week,

.......the only thing left from my former predictions is; the TWO new CBs, ......ANOTHER keeper.... and ANOTHER striker /cum/ attacking midfielder, 'cos I still expect Chaplow (or Puncheon) to be loaned out / sold.

[Thedelldays]

I a tad Surprised you think Chaplow and puncheon will be sold/loaned out

 

And that we should get another keeper

[Avenue Saint]

Can you name our current youth team centre backs ?

 

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but seaborne is ****e and I would rather recall Martin, and then play Stephens. All before considering seaborne for a game!

 

I recall the Exeter folk opinions when we bought him, and they all seemed a bit miffed as to why we had... Says it all really...

[Avenue Saint]

No time for sentimentality I'm afraid - Seaborne has had a good go at Saints but when I saw him pre-accident in games, he displayed an awful awareness and got turned inside out on many occasions. He also seemed to be very prone to hoofing the ball upfield - quite OK for a L1 outfit, but certainly no good for Prem.

 

Regardless of who is in the squad now, we need 1-2 experienced Prem level CB's and this will be facilitated by Seaborne moving on.

 

Agreed.

[captainchris]

A hell of a lot of Seaborne bashing on here and for little good reason. Is Fonte that good??? No he's not!

[SaintRichmond]

I a tad Surprised you think Chaplow and puncheon will be sold/loaned out

 

And that we should get another keeper

 

 

We need a keeper who can stop at least ONE shot from outside the area during any given season, and I'm not talking about Gazzaniga

[Bailey]

I like Seaborne, but I just don't think he's of Premier League standard.

 

Originally, I thought that we'd loan him out to a Champ side so he can get back playing regular football after his horror injury, but as the big kick-off draws ever closer, maybe he will be involved in some capacity?

 

On the other hand, maybe there is something in that Sky article, and we're just waiting for replacements to be signed before letting him leave on a temporary basis?

 

Personally, I'd like us to sign two defenders, allowing Seaborne to leave on loan until January. Then, we can review the situation.

[Guan 2.0]

A hell of a lot of Seaborne bashing on here and for little good reason. Is Fonte that good??? No he's not!

 

But Seaborne is worse. He was below par before he decided to act the big man ****head, the resulting serious head trauma won't have upped his game any.

[SuperMikey]

Seaborne going out on loan would be good for him and the club, I think. He gets first-team experience with a view to breaking into our squad when he gets back from being on loan. We get the opportunity to bring in 1 or 2 CBs so that we can survive the season comfortably and establish ourselves as a Premier League team, which is mutually beneficial.

 

So, now lets sign Curtis Davies and/or Niklas Moisander please Mr Cortese!

[The9]

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but seaborne is ****e and I would rather recall Martin, and then play Stephens. All before considering seaborne for a game!

 

I recall the Exeter folk opinions when we bought him, and they all seemed a bit miffed as to why we had... Says it all really...

 

My point is that if you ship Seaborne out without a replacement your backups that you want to be fielding in competitive fixtures are Jack Stephens (who as far as I'm aware wasn't a CB until pre-season) and some other kid you can't name.

 

If Exeter fans were miffed, that would be because we took one of their better players.

 

Also, we can't recall Martin, he's on a season long loan.

Edited 14 August, 2012 by The9

[KelvinsRightGlove]

This. Was selected ahead of Martin at the start of the season and did a good job in the first couple of games. Would be a good loan signing for Charlton or Millwall.

 

Didn't Martin start against Leeds on day one? Gave away that 'penalty'? Or did he come on as sub?

[Saint-Armstrong]

Didn't Martin start against Leeds on day one? Gave away that 'penalty'? Or did he come on as sub?

 

You're right. He started, and they gave a penalty against him for 'handball'.

[westofshannonsaint]

.......not enough to have three CBs and we can't bring any in on loan during the season..

 

what's the story with emergency recalls?

[david in sweden]

You're right. He started, and they gave a penalty against him for 'handball'.

 

I've watched the video replay of that incident several times, and it clearly seems that the Leeds player played the ball onto Martin's hand, and it was not a deliberate offence.

I'm just glad that the eventually penalty goal didn't affect the result.

[Sheaf Saint]

One of the very few good games I've seen him have.

 

Just goes to show how subjective football is I guess. I was at that game and I thought he looked really shaky against what was at the time a very weak Barnsley attack.

[david in sweden]

I a tad Surprised you think Chaplow and Puncheon will be sold/loaned out.......And that we should get another keeper

 

 

I maintained that position (on RC and JP) at the end of last season. I'd like to think that they were good enough to stay, but on that evidence...I couldn't see it.....as with the others I mentioned at the time (Barnard, Forte and Dickson).

It's got nothing to do with what a nice guy (he) is....or what a good club servant (he) may have been, or even being unlucky to be kept out. The key question is: Would you be happy to see (him/them) as a regular replacement for the incumbent?

 

I'm aware that Puncheon has had a good pre-season, but we need long term dependability..and I don't see it as part of his ( JPs) nature...hope I'm wrong !

 

I really liked Chaplow's competitive attitude when he came in last Autumn and he made all the difference, however, after his injury it took him time to get back and on recent showing he hasn't been half the player he was then.

 

As for the keeper. At the end of last season we had four on the books..KD, Bart, Tommy F. and Jack Dovey. In an emergency, I think I'd had chosen Dovey ahead of TF.

Of those... .only KD is left, and despite his excellent games last season, everyone knows he's pushing on a bit. I'm usually first to defend " older keepers ", and I still think so, but in the short term need good cover / competition (call it what you will)...

for KD ...as in the case of a serious injury we'd have only one keeper (Gazza) to select from, and although I admit he looks a good prospect, I doubt if he'd stand the test of time and I'd hate our survival in the Prem. to depend on it .

 

Someone else wrote that we could always get a short term loan keeper (for injury).....but what sort of quality can you expect when you " borrow" a keeper who's not good enough to get a place at his own club?....so sorry ..another keeper, too please.

[david in sweden]

I like Seaborne, but I just don't think he's of Premier League standard..

 

I think a lot of people would agree with that, regardless of the nightclub " incident ".

BUT the fact of the matter is, the demands put upon a Prem. CB are enormous and I just don't see him as a long term candidate for our defence.

Like Aaron Martin, a loan out will either be the making of him, or not. We will find out (at someone else's expense) what level he is really suited to. AND ... I haven't heard NA deny the story yet, either.

[SaintNeil90]

I think a lot of people would agree with that, regardless of the nightclub " incident ".

BUT the fact of the matter is, the demands put upon a Prem. CB are enormous and I just don't see him as a long term candidate for our defence.

Like Aaron Martin, a loan out will either be the making of him, or not. We will find out (at someone else's expense) what level he is really suited to. AND ... I haven't heard NA deny the story yet, either.

 

Thats because we very rarely talk about our transfer activity!