Saint Malc Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 I know that I am risking the wrath of many on here by daring to criticise one of our very own hero's but Adam Lallana has not progressed since the middle of last term IMO. He looks disinterested and has been giving the ball away far too easily for my liking. He will be given a lot of slack by most on here because he is one of our hero's from the day but he does need to show a lot of improvement from what he has shown during the friendlies as far as I'm concerned.
ohwhenthesaints Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 He's learning a new position where he needs to help out more defensively. He'll be fine.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 I don' think he's disinterested, I think that's doing him a massive disservice. He's finally getting to play in the Premiership. I would say it's a mix between playing in a new position and playing against better players. Plus he was our best player againts Ajax.
Cheese on Toast Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 I can't help but agree, he's no Steve De Ridder
Saint Garrett Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 He's our best player. The season hasn't even started yet. HTH.
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 i know that i am risking the wrath of many on here by daring to criticise one of our very own hero's but adam lallana has not progressed since the middle of last term imo. He looks disinterested and has been giving the ball away far too easily for my liking. He will be given a lot of slack by most on here because he is one of our hero's from the day but he does need to show a lot of improvement from what he has shown during the friendlies as far as i'm concerned. omfg !!! Ffs !!! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !
The9 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 I know that I am risking the wrath of many on here by daring to criticise one of our very own hero's but Adam Lallana has not progressed since the middle of last term IMO. He looks disinterested and has been giving the ball away far too easily for my liking. He will be given a lot of slack by most on here because he is one of our hero's from the day but he does need to show a lot of improvement from what he has shown during the friendlies as far as I'm concerned. Having not seen him much in pre-season I'm not able to comment on that, but any player switching positions is likely to show a little dip in form - which is something I don't think happened in the second half of last season. I thought he'd struggle with the pace of the Championship but his skills always made him space, and I'm pretty confident he'll step up - has much more workrate than the previous season's Championship Player of the Year, Adel Taarabt, who is the definition of a luxury player and didn't really do anything last season for QPR.
The9 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Jesus. No, he was a right back, and despite a tendency towards facial hair, this bloke's just had a haircut and everything.
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 lallana loves playing for saints and was proud as anyone on our back to back promotions, so to write he has looked disinterested is an absolute insult to him. he is saints through and through and if MLT thinks he is a great player then that is good enough for me.
Seaford Saint Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Probably best to play pre-season games behind closed doors I think. Fully agree with this.....
Cheese on Toast Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 If we'd won every pre season by match by 5 goals, people still would have been here telling us how sh!te we are. Oh if i were a mod....
Seaford Saint Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 I know that I am risking the wrath of many on here by daring to criticise one of our very own hero's but Adam Lallana has not progressed since the middle of last term IMO. He looks disinterested and has been giving the ball away far too easily for my liking. He will be given a lot of slack by most on here because he is one of our hero's from the day but he does need to show a lot of improvement from what he has shown during the friendlies as far as I'm concerned. Unfair to describe him as disinterested, we were playing top notch opposition on Saturday.
Saint_John Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Adam was on the radio a few weeks ago (tea interval at the Rose Bowl) and I think they said he is due to become a father for the first time soon. From what I remember they said between manure and arsenal, so it is probably a stressful time for him.
doddisalegend Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 I've only seen one pre-seaon game and that was Ajax when Frank de Boer picked out Adam as our best player. Though from what I can make out from this place (I might be wrong) Adam has been playing a more central role in midfield rather than out on the left as he has done for most of the last three seasons so that might explain why he is looking less than great (if indeed that is the case) maybe he is still getting to grips with his new postion?
Joneth Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Have I already missed half the season? People panicking before a balls been kicked in anger. What happened to the optimism we had in May? Nothing has changed, we have signed a couple of players and we aren't suddenly a terrible team because we got beat by Udinese so can we save the negativity at least until we genuinely look like relegation fodder. Adam Lallana will put in some poor performances over the season, contrary to popular belief he does not make Messi look ****e. However, he is a very good player who will contribute his fair share of goals and assists. Quite how you can judge he's gone backwards just from a pre-season is beyond me.
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 I can't help but agree, he's no Steve De Ridder Haha, classic.
SuperMikey Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Gary Neville has a strong feeling we'll stay up this year. Relax folks.
The9 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Have I already missed half the season? People panicking before a balls been kicked in anger. What happened to the optimism we had in May? Nothing has changed, we have signed a couple of players and we aren't suddenly a terrible team because we got beat by Udinese so can we save the negativity at least until we genuinely look like relegation fodder. Adam Lallana will put in some poor performances over the season, contrary to popular belief he does not make Messi look ****e. However, he is a very good player who will contribute his fair share of goals and assists. Quite how you can judge he's gone backwards just from a pre-season is beyond me. The optimism was based on not looking into things too deeply, and now we're looking at the reality, there are plenty of areas people can see we need to improve. We're all pretty resigned to losing 3/4 at the start, and then it's about retaining confidence after that. The stuff about Lallana suddenly being rubbish however is in a completely different league of worry and panic to "our defence looked a bit vulnerable at times last season and we should sign some CBs".
The9 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Gary Neville has a strong feeling we'll stay up this year. Relax folks. Thing is, I didn't see Gary Neville on tv once last season because I didn't have Sky Sports and I was going to Saints matches a lot of the time when he was on the telly, so how the frick would he know ?
The9 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Oh, and I've just been reminded on another thread that Ajax's manager picked out Lallana as one of the best players on the pitch against them.
The9 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 He's our join top scorer already, give him a break. Yeah but so am I at the moment.
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 He is certainly not going backwards, but is he going forwards? I havent seen AL this pre-season, but i have said for the last couple of years, that three or four years ago; did we not expect AL to be a better player now? Thats not to say that he is not a good player, there is absolutely no doubt about that. But honestly, with the promise shown as a youngster, I thought he would be a better goalscorer that what he has achieved now (though being stuck wide probably hasnt helped). The one thing that can verify my point is; How many big PL clubs have come in for him? None, I think Fulham and Wolves or West Brom were vaguely interested, says a lot I think.
david in sweden Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 I can't help but agree, he's no Steve De Ridder Steve De Ridder ....is no Steve de Ridder on recent showings !
Turkish Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 He is certainly not going backwards, but is he going forwards? I havent seen AL this pre-season, but i have said for the last couple of years, that three or four years ago; did we not expect AL to be a better player now? Thats not to say that he is not a good player, there is absolutely no doubt about that. But honestly, with the promise shown as a youngster, I thought he would be a better goalscorer that what he has achieved now (though being stuck wide probably hasnt helped). The one thing that can verify my point is; How many big PL clubs have come in for him? None, I think Fulham and Wolves or West Brom were vaguely interested, says a lot I think. Just how f*cking good did you expect him to be? He's been arguably the best player in a side which was in the top 2 of the championship all last season. Nothing to do with him signing a new contract 18 months ago and saying he wants to stay here. THen playing for a team last season that were top two all season and are now a premier league club themselves? Says a lot i think.
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Just how f*cking good did you expect him to be? He's been arguably the best player in a side which was in the top 2 of the championship all last season. Nothing to do with him signing a new contract 18 months ago and saying he wants to stay here. THen playing for a team last season that were top two all season and are now a premier league club themselves? Says a lot i think. How good do i want him to be? As good as Matty was, but it wont happen, though three or four years ago, thought it might. Yeah, City and Arsenal are really worried about players signing contracts etc, get real, if they want a player then they will get him, and dont kid yourself that AL wouldn't have swapped places with AOC given half the chance. Or do you think that he is going to be another Le Tiss/Steve Bull?
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 You think Lallana is going to be as good as one of the best players in a generation No pressure then
stevegrant Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 I've only seen one pre-seaon game and that was Ajax when Frank de Boer picked out Adam as our best player. Though from what I can make out from this place (I might be wrong) Adam has been playing a more central role in midfield rather than out on the left as he has done for most of the last three seasons so that might explain why he is looking less than great (if indeed that is the case) maybe he is still getting to grips with his new postion? Correct. While, in theory, playing more centrally should enable him to see more of the ball (definitely a good thing), it also means he'll receive a lot more attention from the opposition. This, IMO, has been exacerbated in the Ajax and Udinese games by Adkins' slightly strange decision to play Jay Rodriguez on the left wing, where he's been completely ineffective (as you'd expect from a player who's been a centre-forward throughout his entire career). This has meant that the opposition can commit more defensive resources centrally, so Lallana's been mostly crowded out in those two games. It also doesn't help that Lambert would normally drop deep quite often to collect the ball and start attacking moves but unfortunately he's been about as useful as a chocolate teapot in pre-season. No different to last season, of course, where he started very slowly, but personally I'd have either Rodriguez or Sharp (who's been living up to his name so far) up front at City on Sunday.
Turkish Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 How good do i want him to be? As good as Matty was, but it wont happen, though three or four years ago, thought it might. Yeah, City and Arsenal are really worried about players signing contracts etc, get real, if they want a player then they will get him, and dont kid yourself that AL wouldn't have swapped places with AOC given half the chance. Or do you think that he is going to be another Le Tiss/Steve Bull? No, but i didn't ever think he was going to be as good as the best player we've ever had, only a div would do. I thought if he did well he'd be a good midtable premier league player, hopefully this season he will prove he is, he aint and never has been a top 4 player. Maybe you need to rein in your expectations..
Steeleye Saint Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Adam was on the radio a few weeks ago (tea interval at the Rose Bowl) and I think they said he is due to become a father for the first time soon. From what I remember they said between manure and arsenal, so it is probably a stressful time for him. He should be excited, not stressed, waiting to become a father – when the baby arrives he won't know what's hit him!
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 You think Lallana is going to be as good as one of the best players in a generation No pressure then. did. Perhaps that was asking a lot, I guess Matt was alweays going to be special, but in a different way (more workmankike perhaps), Lallana did have the potential of being one of Saints greatest, personally don't think that is going to happen now, though i would love to be wrong.
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 No, but i didn't ever think he was going to be as good as the best player we've ever had, only a div would do. I thought if he did well he'd be a good midtable premier league player, hopefully this season he will prove he is, he aint and never has been a top 4 player. Maybe you need to rein in your expectations.. again, i am talking about 4 years ago FFS What did you think when you started watching him play, where did you think he was going? I think a lot of people thought back then he was going to be really special, and though as good a player he is now, is he special?
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 again, i am talking about 4 years ago FFS What did you think when you started watching him play, where did you think he was going? I think a lot of people thought back then he was going to be really special, and though as good a player he is now, is he special? You don't think he is special? Voted 3rr best player in the NpC last season in his first full proper season in it
Crab Lungs Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 again, i am talking about 4 years ago FFS What did you think when you started watching him play, where did you think he was going? I think a lot of people thought back then he was going to be really special, and though as good a player he is now, is he special? A playmaker that averages between 8-15 goals from midfield, creates many assists and has all the inventiveness that many Premier League "stars" lack? Er, no, he's sh1t. :-/
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 You don't think he is special? Voted 3rr best player in the NpC last season in his first full proper season in it if he was 'special', he would have won it.
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 if he was 'special', he would have won it. Why? Can the league only have 1 special player How much do you think it would cost to buy Lallana today?
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 A playmaker that averages between 8-15 goals from midfield, creates many assists and has all the inventiveness that many Premier League "stars" lack? Er, no, he's sh1t. :-/ see, wondering which was the first muppett to come on and completely misquote. Thats the trouble here isn't it, it is supposed to be a debating forum, but because some people choose to express an opinion contrary to the staus quo, other people either get rude, nasty or just take the ****. Sorry, i dont think AL is the greatest player that has ever been, and i have the f ucking audacity to say it, how f ucking dare me! What the f uck do i know eh?
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Why? Can the league only have 1 special player How much do you think it would cost to buy Lallana today? it can have no special players, or it could have many, same as all the other leagues. £7m - based on contract/age/ability
Turkish Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 again, i am talking about 4 years ago FFS What did you think when you started watching him play, where did you think he was going? I think a lot of people thought back then he was going to be really special, and though as good a player he is now, is he special? As i said above, when i first saw him i thought he was good, skillful intellegent but a lacking that burst of pace to be a top 4 player and a was a little bit lightweight, but he's bulked up a bit since then and would go on to make a decent midtable premier league player. I certainly never thought i was watching one of the best players i've ever seen.
Crab Lungs Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 it can have no special players, or it could have many, same as all the other leagues. £7m - based on contract/age/ability Gotta be a WUM, surely.
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 it can have no special players, or it could have many, same as all the other leagues. £7m - based on contract/age/ability You think he would cost as much as rodriguez?
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 You think he would cost as much as rodriguez? yes, whats your point?
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Gotta be a WUM, surely. why, you think he is worth £20m because he's agood player for Southampton FC?
Crab Lungs Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 (edited) why, you think he is worth £20m because he's agood player for Southampton FC? It's nothing to do with who he plays for and who I support; AL has attributes which very few Premier League midfielders possess and this season, he'll excel and prove that statement correct. Over the past two years, he's come on incredibly from being a perennial scuffer and waif-like winger to something resembling a future England player. Just because Stuart Pearce doesn't consider him blessed enough to chug around his midfield passing backwards, doesn't mean he's not as good as Jordan Henderson. Or Cleverley. If you're a good player, you're a good player - doesn't matter the level you're playing at. Edited 13 August, 2012 by Crab Lungs
Saint Malc Posted 13 August, 2012 Author Posted 13 August, 2012 see, wondering which was the first muppett to come on and completely misquote. Thats the trouble here isn't it, it is supposed to be a debating forum, but because some people choose to express an opinion contrary to the staus quo, other people either get rude, nasty or just take the ****. Sorry, i dont think AL is the greatest player that has ever been, and i have the f ucking audacity to say it, how f ucking dare me! What the f uck do i know eh? Don't worry Noodles34, your views are as valid as any other views expressed. After all it's just your opinion which you are completely entitled to. I had to laugh at the way my original thoughts were shot down in flames. I was only saying that Lallana has been disappointing in the friendlies I have seen so far and towards the end of last season. I did not say he was going to be sh!te for the entire season but some have suggested that is what I meant.
The9 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 if he was 'special', he would have won it. If he hadn't been passing to Lambert for so many assists maybe he would have done !
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 If he hadn't been passing to Lambert for so many assists maybe he would have done ! didnt Lambert have more assists?
Noodles34 Posted 13 August, 2012 Posted 13 August, 2012 Don't worry Noodles34, your views are as valid as any other views expressed. After all it's just your opinion which you are completely entitled to. I had to laugh at the way my original thoughts were shot down in flames. I was only saying that Lallana has been disappointing in the friendlies I have seen so far and towards the end of last season. I did not say he was going to be sh!te for the entire season but some have suggested that is what I meant. as soon as i read your post, i knew you would be shot down by the usual suspects who cant see beyond their red and white speckled specs. We wouldnt be having this debate in N Korea, is that a better option?
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