Matthew Le God Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Even by your ridiculous aggregate scenario. All you have done is said it is daft, not explained the reason why you think it is daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 (edited) Oh if I had a grand.... So, what's your prediction for the first four games? I'm not a doom merchant btw, I'm a realist. I have no idea.. and i am a realist too...not a speculator But i would not base my assumptions on pre season friendlies...win or lose.. They are preparation matches for system trials,fitness etc...nothing more... Edited 11 August, 2012 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 All you have done is said it is daft, not explained the reason why you think it is daft. Well for starters, in 2 of the past 3 pre-seasons we've played more than one game at home, so I guess I got lost in the confusing mathematics of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 All you have done is said it is daft, not explained the reason why you think it is daft. Jesus wept...give a break for an evening you freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Well for starters, in 2 of the past 3 pre-seasons we've played more than one game at home, so I guess I got lost in the confusing mathematics of it all. Easily countered by them also having attendances you would call "low" and also at lower prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Pricing structure has been completely ridiculous, especially considering the number of friendliest we've had at St Mary's this year, why can't we just go back to having one like we used to. Sub 4000 attendances are an embarrassment. I agree with this. As a stand alone fixture Udinese would be attractive opposition and with a pricing structure of £10 to £15, there would have been 4 or 5 times as many there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Jesus wept...give a break for an evening you freak. The Kraken was the one that brought it up, not me. Why don't you call him a "freak"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Easily countered by them also having attendances you would call "low" and also at lower prices. Do you have the attendance figures and ticket prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I have no idea.. and i am a realist too...not a speculator But i would not possibly base my assumptions on pre season friendlies...win or lose.. They are preparation matches for system trials,fitness etc...nothing more... Oh I agree, and I've not based it on tonights game, just the opposition in those first four games. Mind you I did have dream we beat city 1-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 The Kraken was the one that brought it up, not me. Why don't you call him a "freak"? Just stirring perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 officialsaints: FULL TIME: SAINTS 0-4 UDINESE #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 officialsaints: Nigel Adkins applauds Udinese's players as they leave the pitch. Some top-class play by the Italians set them apart from #SaintsFC tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Oh I agree, and I've not based it on tonights game, just the opposition in those first four games. Mind you I did have dream we beat city 1-0 We have to play them all sometime...is early in the season better or later....who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 We have to play them all sometime...is early in the season better or later....who knows? It would be better to play them early on.....however if the players are playing a formation they are not comfortable with then it makes no difference, the outcome will be the same ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 The Kraken was the one that brought it up, not me. Why don't you call him a "freak"? Fine. Two freaks don't make the discussion any saner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Clyne was the only stand out performer tonight. Again. Lambert barely had a touch. Very easy to cut through us for them and they can't have got out of first gear. Their first 3 goals were class. We'll get torn apart at City if we play like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Becoming a little bit concerned now....on quite a few fronts, but no doubt the happy clappies will hurl the usual "bed-wetting" insults. I have a lot of faith in NA but I think he should stick to formations that have up to now worked well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Becoming a little bit concerned now....on quite a few fronts, but no doubt the happy clappies will hurl the usual "bed-wetting" insults. I have a lot of faith in NA but I think he should stick to formations that have up to now worked well. Wish I shared your faith that sticking to formations would make much of a difference. Can understand the motivation behind the new formation, especially in terms of closing the opposition down. Fact is we don't have the quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese on Toast Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 We need Tommy Forecast back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Becoming a little bit concerned now....on quite a few fronts, but no doubt the happy clappies will hurl the usual "bed-wetting" insults. I have a lot of faith in NA but I think he should stick to formations that have up to now worked well. Nail on head! Also sign two defenders and a wide player. Poor jay rod was playing deep on the left chasing full back and lambert had no one round him in 20 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Wish I shared your faith that sticking to formations would make much of a difference. Can understand the motivation behind the new formation, especially in terms of closing the opposition down. Fact is we don't have the quality. I can see why he is trying to change it; 4-4-2 is becoming a bit of an outdated system at the highest level, its all about having a stronger midfield. Also it should play to Lallana's strengths of having a more central and integral role. That said, I don't think we have the right personnel for it. Lambert isn't the most mobile of players and is often most effective with players around him; as the sole striker he gets isolated. Guly just isn't the right man for me on the right side, and neither is Puncheon; on the other side J-Rod looks and sounds out of sorts as opposed to a central striking role. Sounds like JWP had a torrid evening, hopefully Davis can get fit soon. And we all know about our centre back problem, that needs resolving asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Have the hard hats ready for Sunday we were poor tonight only Clyne stood out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I can see why he is trying to change it; 4-4-2 is becoming a bit of an outdated system at the highest level, its all about having a stronger midfield. Also it should play to Lallana's strengths of having a more central and integral role. That said, I don't think we have the right personnel for it. Lambert isn't the most mobile of players and is often most effective with players around him; as the sole striker he gets isolated. Guly just isn't the right man for me on the right side, and neither is Puncheon; on the other side J-Rod looks and sounds out of sorts as opposed to a central striking role. Sounds like JWP had a torrid evening, hopefully Davis can get fit soon. And we all know about our centre back problem, that needs resolving asap. So basically what you are saying, which is totally correct in my opinion, is that we need a couple of centre backs and a wide right midfield player. In other words exactly what we all said was needed the day after we beat Coventry 4-0 last April !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 First time I have seen us this pre-season. Not very encouraging . Udinese were good, and Di Natale is a class act, but we cannot afford to give away shooting opportunities like that (first two goals) - great finishes though they were. Third goal was embarrassing and easily carved open for the fourth. It's a shame we couldn't test their keeper at least once. Harsh realities of the season ahead methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 So basically what you are saying, which is totally correct in my opinion, is that we need a couple of centre backs and a wide right midfield player. In other words exactly what we all said was needed the day after we beat Coventry 4-0 last April !!!! I didn't say it was ground-breaking!! We all know what we need to do, just that with 8 days to go its all getting a bit critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I didn't say it was ground-breaking!! We all know what we need to do, just that with 8 days to go its all getting a bit critical. No it isnt ground breaking, it didnt need to be, the fact there is only a week to go until kick off is my point exactly. We have had over 3 months to address these issues, actually we have had since last January's transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 All I can say is Jesus, we are in for a long, tough, painful season......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 After the Ajax game I was optimistic for the coming season, after this result I am a little worried for City game. Against Ajax the link between defence and midfield was good but we were poor in the final third, from what I have read it seems like we had the same problem today. City will be very tough but since Adkins has been here he always has had us well prepared so I am confident we will have a decent start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 (edited) I can see why he is trying to change it; 4-4-2 is becoming a bit of an outdated system at the highest level, its all about having a stronger midfield. Also it should play to Lallana's strengths of having a more central and integral role. That said, I don't think we have the right personnel for it. Lambert isn't the most mobile of players and is often most effective with players around him; as the sole striker he gets isolated. Guly just isn't the right man for me on the right side, and neither is Puncheon; on the other side J-Rod looks and sounds out of sorts as opposed to a central striking role. Sounds like JWP had a torrid evening, hopefully Davis can get fit soon. And we all know about our centre back problem, that needs resolving asap. Agree. Possibly a risk-reward thing, that NA wants to make us difficult to beat before anything else esp as our midfield got overrun at times last season. If the philosophy is about being solid, then it makes it doubly important to tighten the central defence. We seem to be taking a leaf out of Swansea’s book yet while they have Sinclair and Dyer to make the system work, we have nothing like that kind of pace in our team. The likes of JWP who shouldn’t near the starting line-up looked OK against Ajax because they sat back and made the game a stroll but any other team is going to push up against us, knowing that we have neither the mobility nor the pace to break on them. Always thought that Jrod and Lambert might struggle together –both like to come deep (why Jrod thrived with a player like Austin). As such, don’t see how they would be better suited to 4-4-2 unless we decide to go much more direct which, of course, is what we did a lot last season – despite the myth that we somehow played like Barcelona. Edited 11 August, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Clyne and Puncheon were useful and caused Udinese problems. Davis no chance with three goals all from a distance. The back four were ok with Fonte having his best game so far. Lambert looks a bit fitter but isolated. Where we do have real problems is the middle of the team. First of all the centre, Lallana, Schneiderlin and JWP in the first half. Schneiderlin unusually gave the ball away at times, Lallana was peripheral and the game tended to pass him by, JWP had a decent game and is nippier than the other two. We failed to close down the scorers and they had all the time in the world to line up their shots. We lacked the ability to break at pace. Rodriguez was tidy but didn't really do anything. Puncheon had one of his best games to date. We brought on Gazzaniga, Shaw, Davis and Sharp. Gazzaniga settling in nicely. Shaw looks useful but we were weaker with him at left back. Davis is a decent passer but lacks pace and wasn't an improvement on JWP. Sharp put himself about but lacked support. We were very pedestrian and whilst retaining the ball reasonably well didn't threaten. I can't remember the Udinese goalkeeper having to make a save. Lallana went to the left for the last ten minutes and looked much more at home. Guly was ok but by that time Udinese's second string were on the field. We have to find some pace from at least two midfielders or we will struggle to score. We had as much of the game as Udinese but they were like lightning on the break where all four goals came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Mate of mine who went said Punch and JWP our best players, .Lambert and JRod hopeless up front and team has no pace All looks good for next sun then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 If we're going to play that system we should put Lallana back on the wing, move Rodriguez or Lee to the middle and drop Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 We're missing a bit of pace in the final third to take us away from the oppo. It sounds simple, but that's pretty much it. Good build up, keep the ball nice enough and then we get to the final third where it stops. No penetration, no pace and it breaks down. If we had pace in behind we could be much more threatening, it's crucial we have that. What happened today will happen alot next season, we'll get games where we have a decent amount of the ball, but if we don't have the quality in and around the final third we will get picked off. I absolutely hate Jay Rodriguez on the left, a complete waste of his talents. Please sort that out NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Mate of mine who went said Punch and JWP our best players, .Lambert and JRod hopeless up front and team has no pace All looks good for next sun then! Jay rod didn't play anywhere near upfront, played chasing the full back and was hardly in box. Lambert had no one round him in twenty yards So when he did win ball no one to knock to. Sharp had same problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 It is perfectly obvious to anyone who knows a bit about the game that we need to sign 3 more players with experience of the top level and with pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I absolutely hate Jay Rodriguez on the left, a complete waste of his talents. Please sort that out NA. Well he is a centre forward isn't he ? And we have got one of those who has scored 88 goals in 3 years. So if we dont play them as a partnership what happens ? We play one out of position, or not at all. Either way the system does NOT suit the players we have or have bought, as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 bigadamsport: Nigel Adkins int, with some insight into why he's playing 4-3-3, going up on @solentsport shortly. Be interested in views of #saintsfc fans bigadamsport: For those #saintsfc fans asking about transfers : "The chairman is working very hard" . Have a listen to NA @solentsport in a mo Interesting. Will post link when its available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Adkins comments on OS http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/gaffer-hails-great-exercise-307322.aspx?pageView=full#anchored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 If we're going to play that system we should put Lallana back on the wing, move Rodriguez or Lee to the middle and drop Lambert. Poor rickie best player we've had in years, play him in stupid position to make him look awful and u turn on him. Adkins needs to sort out formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I am concerned. We have shown very little in pre-season that shows me we are ready for the premier league. We need more depth in defence and pace going forward. I am truly worred that next sunday will be embarassing. We have had it good now for three years, a reality check here may have done us good but I am praying it's not a recurring theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Jay rod didn't play anywhere near upfront, played chasing the full back and was hardly in box. Lambert had no one round him in twenty yards So when he did win ball no one to knock to. Sharp had same problem. That will happen with the current formation - its expected to double up as a 4-5-1 when we're not in possession -sensible enough as we can't go gung-ho in the prem. But its very hard not leave the striker isolated unless the wide men can get up quickly and support him. In theory, Lallana should be able to support Lambert but I think he's confused by his mix of responsibilities in the current set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 So we are after Matty Phillips then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Davis no chance with three goals all from a distance. At the risk of sounding pedantic, the third goal was not from distance - but it was embarrassing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Well pointless to deny or dance around it now Blackpool have used the accused the club of tapping him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I absolutely hate Jay Rodriguez on the left, a complete waste of his talents. Please sort that out NA. I get the impression that he's playing out there because we don't have any other options right now, bar maybe Puncheon. I'd imagine that that will change by the end of the window. Similarly, I predict that Rodriguez will end up playing as the central man in the 4-3-3 formation by the end of the season. When the opportunity arises to play 4-4-2, we have plenty of options with Lambert, Sharp, Rodriguez and Lee all capable of playing in different combinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 Does this mean we're not ready for the CL yet then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 It is perfectly obvious to anyone who knows a bit about the game that we need to sign 3 more players with experience of the top level and with pace. If only real life was that simple . Are you claiming to " know a bit about the game" then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 I am concerned. We have shown very little in pre-season that shows me we are ready for the premier league. We need more depth in defence and pace going forward. I am truly worred that next sunday will be embarassing. We have had it good now for three years, a reality check here may have done us good but I am praying it's not a recurring theme. Me too but then Nigel did say at the start of pre-season what whilst they'd signed some of their core targets pre-season would tell them who could make the step up, what extra buys we'd need before the opener and who would be leaving. Looks like there might be more new blood coming in over the next few days than planned. There have been billions of posts about this for months but we need at least of couple of wide or offensive players with express pace, Holloway clearly has little justification for his whining about our legitimate discussions over Phillips but I'm not too upset as Zaha's raw pace is more what we need anyway. Hope we can get one of them in asap. Feel for Rickie a bit, the system leaves him isolated and neutralises J Rod and Lallana seems uncertain on what his remit is. The big winners seem to be Clyne and Puncheon, plus Sharp, who have probably booked at starting spot for Eastlands. Nicola is in for a busy few days from the sounds of it! I thought we'd only need 2 CBs and a RM but I think that went out of the window. Might be looking at the OS a bit more up to the transfer deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 We are going down with the lowest ever points total of two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 11 August, 2012 Share Posted 11 August, 2012 price and opposition make it bad value for me, so I didn't bother I prefer the model alot of French clubs use, and play a handful of friendlies in non league grounds against other top/famous/foreign teams, it's done in the basis if breeding new fans in rural areas. I once saw psg play hibs in a sleepy French village for a few euros. I was *this* far away from jay jay okocha... and the local club kept the gate receipts, everyone wins imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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