Saint-Armstrong Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 Grabbed this from my local club's site: http://www.southendunited.co.uk/documents/fl-agents-fees-report-2012-08.08.1252-301535.pdf Saints spent £833,570 on agents fees. West Ham spent the most, over £4m.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 That's good, although shows we don't pay much to agents. Perhaps that's why we're perceived as being difficult to deal with, why we have seen a lack of activity this off-season and why the Buttner deal fell through?
Saint Charlie Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 (edited) That's good, although shows we don't pay much to agents. Perhaps that's why we're perceived as being difficult to deal with, why we have seen a lack of activity this off-season and why the Buttner deal fell through? Would be better if we spend millions on agents, more than on players. I would feel much happier about our transfer dealings if our agents fees were higher. In reality - IMO high agent spend shows that they are the ones in control of the deals not the club. A WHU fan reading this should be worried that the club are letting agents have this much of a say in transfers. If Saints miss out on a deal because they won't pay an agent ridiculous sums then Im happy with that. Edited 9 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie
Saint-Armstrong Posted 9 August, 2012 Author Posted 9 August, 2012 zzzzzzz Why "zzzzzz" ? He's probably right on some points. Most Agents see the Premier League as a big money spinner and West Ham are paying over 5 times that of Saints.
S-Clarke Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 That's good, although shows we don't pay much to agents. Perhaps that's why we're perceived as being difficult to deal with, why we have seen a lack of activity this off-season and why the Buttner deal fell through? So difficult that we were amongst the biggest movers in terms of activity last year. We're just sensible, if an agent wants too much then we'll probably tell him to sod off, and rightly so. Overpaying for no real reason is the route back to financial melt down. WHU are on the road to that at the moment.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 Would be better if we spend millions on agents, more than on players. I would feel much happier about our transfer dealings if our agents fees were higher. In reality - IMO high agent spend shows that they are the ones in control of the deals not the club. A WHU fan reading this should be worried that the club are letting agents have this much of a say in transfers. If Saints miss out on a deal because they won't pay an agent ridiculous sums then Im happy with that. The phrase 'cutting your nose off to spite your face' comes to mind.
shurlock Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 The numbers don't really say much. You also need to establish the total value of transactions (given agents take a % cut), not just the number of transactions before you can make conclusions about whether we pay alot or not.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 So difficult that we were amongst the biggest movers in terms of activity last year. We're just sensible, if an agent wants too much then we'll probably tell him to sod off, and rightly so. Overpaying for no real reason is the route back to financial melt down. WHU are on the road to that at the moment. I don't disagree but that won't be due to agents fees I wouldn't have thought. If you want the better quality players, then you tend to pay higher agent fees. It's the way football works. I would prefer to have better quality players than to sit there feeling proud that my club doesn't overspend on fees but having average players. It's all about quality, not quantity.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 The numbers don't really say much. You also need to establish the total value of transactions (given agents take a % cut), not just the number of transactions before you can make conclusions about whether we pay alot or not. That is a fair point, and West Ham did spend a lot last year.
Saint Charlie Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 I don't disagree but that won't be due to agents fees I wouldn't have thought. If you want the better quality players, then you tend to pay higher agent fees. It's the way football works. I would prefer to have better quality players than to sit there feeling proud that my club doesn't overspend on fees but having average players. It's all about quality, not quantity. Crystal Palace spend much more than us on Agents. Don't remember too many quality players that they signed. Or WH really? Certainly not any which weren't already known, in which case what has the agent actually done, its not like he has brought an unknown quality player to your attention?
Saint Charlie Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 Why "zzzzzz" ? He's probably right on some points. Most Agents see the Premier League as a big money spinner and West Ham are paying over 5 times that of Saints. zzzz because last years agents fees are apparantly the reason we havent signed anyone this week or that the Buttner deal has stalled.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 Crystal Palace spend much more than us on Agents. Don't remember too many quality players that they signed. Or WH really? Certainly not any which weren't already known, in which case what has the agent actually done, its not like he has brought an unknown quality player to your attention? What has it got to do with the player being known or not?
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 zzzz because last years agents fees are apparantly the reason we havent signed anyone this week or that the Buttner deal has stalled. But we haven't got this years, so this is the most relevant and up to date information we have? Are you saying that it's not conceivable that we have a policy not to pay high fees? With the info that agents don't like dealing with us widely known, why does that conclusion surprise you?
JackanorySFC Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 West Ham and Allardyce in particular look dodgy as f***! Will be interesting to see if he gets anywhere with suing Kean and/ or that agent that has outed him and is writing a book on agents and managers taking bungs!
Turkish Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 Such is modern football. You have to deal with agents and you have to keep them sweet. Regardless of if people dont like it or not, that is how it is.
Saint Charlie Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 But we haven't got this years, so this is the most relevant and up to date information we have? Are you saying that it's not conceivable that we have a policy not to pay high fees? With the info that agents don't like dealing with us widely known, why does that conclusion surprise you? Im saying that our amount is still one of the highest in the list. West Ham's is ridiculous. We do what is needed but don't chuck pointless money to agents.
Alwightmush Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 Im saying that our amount is still one of the highest in the list. West Ham's is ridiculous. We do what is needed but don't chuck pointless money to agents. Imagine the uproar on here if NC's son was spouting transfer info on twitter, ala West Ham.
The9 Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 The numbers don't really say much. You also need to establish the total value of transactions (given agents take a % cut), not just the number of transactions before you can make conclusions about whether we pay alot or not. And even then, you might only do one big deal in which an agent gets a huge cut, and you end up forking out loads on one occasion, when as a rule you don't like to pay agents.
Saint Charlie Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 Imagine the uproar on here if NC's son was spouting transfer info on twitter, ala West Ham. Its cringy. Combined with the Moose from Talksport its not a great look, certainly very unprofessional.
farawaysaint Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 How the hell did Crystal Palace spend over a million pounds on agents fees?
david in sweden Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 Grabbed this from my local club's site: http://www.southendunited.co.uk/documents/fl-agents-fees-report-2012-08.08.1252-301535.pdf Saints spent £833,570 on agents fees. West Ham spent the most, over £4m. one of the benefits of signing players who are on a "free " or OOC. ...with no fees involved those greedy bar stewards can't claim lots of backhanders.
david in sweden Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 How the hell did Crystal Palace spend over a million pounds on agents fees? they got scre*ed, of course .......and they're still in NPC !
Saint_clark Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 one of the benefits of signing players who are on a "free " or OOC. ...with no fees involved those greedy bar stewards can't claim lots of backhanders. On the contrary, I'd imagine agents overseeing free transfers would request more as they know the club isn't shelling out a transfer fee.
ART Posted 9 August, 2012 Posted 9 August, 2012 West Ham, Harry Redkrapp. Sam Allardyce and the French Connection (Willie Mackay) all speak volumes even to this day. Wonder how Sandra's luxury yacht BUNG is doing these days.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 That's good, although shows we don't pay much to agents. Perhaps that's why we're perceived as being difficult to deal with, why we have seen a lack of activity this off-season and why the Buttner deal fell through? This guy looks like he knows what he's talking about.
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Agents' fees are normally paid by the buying club on permanent transfers at around 10% which would equate to around £28m spent on players. i don't know what happens with loans.
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Last season's figures... Looking at that Id say Utd did very very well considering the money spent, spurs.. Well... They love chucking money away
Tommy Mulgrew Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Good to see that in relation to total spend we still pay very low fees. Some clubs that spent a fraction of our total spend paid more agent fees than us. The spirit of the Don lives on in at least one respect, I'm pleased to say.
FloridaMarlin Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Agents command a fee from whoever commissions them. Clubs don't only pay agents a fee when they are buying a player. If a club wants to shift players off their books and the employ the services of an agent to assist in this, then they have to pay him. It comes under the heading of clubs using agents to 'help players find another club'. Agents also command fees from clubs for arranging matches, so the list doesn't specify what clubs have used agents for. Having said that, Chelsea's £16m is eye-watering, and Liverpool's £14m is laughable. In addition to the fees, they've had to cough up £14m to agents for a pretty disastrous transfer policy. Everybody talks about Everton being a parsimonious club, who are not big spenders, but they still coughed up twice as much as Saints did to middle-men.
david in sweden Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Looking at that Id say Utd did very very well considering the money spent, spurs.. Well... They love chucking money away ........and Liverpool......£14 million+
melmacian_saint Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 I'd say, all things considered, we are a nice club for any other to be!
angelman Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 Looking at that Id say Utd did very very well considering the money spent, spurs.. Well... They love chucking money away Agree, that is quite low. I see that we continue to keep our fees low, as under Cortese days. I think certain people should reappraise their opinions of Les Reed.
The Kraken Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 £16M on agent fees alone, for one club in one summer. Football has truly gone mad.
Stud mark of doom Posted 28 November, 2014 Posted 28 November, 2014 £16M on agent fees alone, for one club in one summer. Football has truly gone mad. What a waste. You could almost buy louvren for that. Oh, hang on...
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