Mowgli Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 I don't mind listening to rumours but that is all they are. Saints fc is as tight as a ducks arse as far as information is concerned and long may that continue. It is a very professional way of running a club. The evidence suggests far more stability than most people are alluding to 1 NC is a tough negotiator and is committed to not wasting money but investing wisely where it matters. 2 He has the support of the Leibherr family 3 NA was hi appointment and he would look pretty stupid and incompetent to sack him without very good reason 4 He has supported some very good signing so far and would not have done so if he had another manager in mind 5 A reading player or tweeter is unlikely to have access to information that the players actually AT the cub do not 6 NA is an up and coming manager continually stepping out of his comfort zone and has so far proved very capable. I see no reason to suppose he would not succeed at the highest level 7 Together as one is more than just a strap line. We should not understimate the collective benefit of people like Reed, Wilkins, Cole and the physios as well as NA /NC 8 If you were working in a club with that much depth of talent you could probably put up with a difficult chairman knowing you have the support of your peers 9 NC would also be reluctant to lose NA as there is the risk he would take a large section of his staff with him 10 NA has said we will not make wholesale changes like Reading or WHU so comparisons are largely irrelevant 11 Despite that he has said today he expects 2 or 3 more signings. Have a bit of faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 What makes you think a Reading player has intimate knowledge of the relationship between Cortese and Adkins? Murthy? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Murthy? Just a thought. Fish Mills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 No. I just asked you a question that is all. And you haven't been able to justify an answer I notice. I'm not saying it's not the case I'm asking you why you believe this player should know such information. I can only post 3 times over a 24 hr period. i have no reason to disbelieve him,couple this with the alleged verbal 'sacking' of Adkins,on more than one occasion I might add.not sure what he has to gain by speaking about the working relationship between NA and NC,I did not bring that up.it was almost his opening sentence our conversation which took me back somewhat. he alluded that after we lost to reading at home at the back end of last season was almost the final straw for NA. post match heated discussions where quite we're audible to many also. i won't broach it anymore.my supposed perceived 'agenda' against Nigel clouds many posters ability to read correctly it seems. that is not aimed at yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 again, how do we have a trigger happy chairman..? he has moved on 1 manager.....ONE MANAGER 2, if you include Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohwhenthesaints Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Fish Mills. Pretty sure the name mentioned when this rumour originally came round was Alex Pearce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 again, how do we have a trigger happy chairman..? he has moved on 1 manager.....ONE MANAGER Of course, this assumes the chairman is only "managing headcount" (i.e. hiring and firing) for the position of Team Manager/Head Coach. There has been a massive turnover of staff in back-office departments (ticketing, marketing, retail, commercial, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Of course, this assumes the chairman is only "managing headcount" (i.e. hiring and firing) for the position of Team Manager/Head Coach. There has been a massive turnover of staff in back-office departments (ticketing, marketing, retail, commercial, etc). Again, how does that compare to other clubs? Do they not have a turnover of staff... Especially one with our last 7 years of history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Again, how does that compare to other clubs? Do they not have a turnover of staff... Especially one with our last 7 years of history? It does happen all over, but we have had a decent turnover since they've been in charge of us. I speak from a bit of experience as I am friends with someone who was let go right at the start of the ownership. Unfortunately that period wasn't handled that well and people were forced to leave and accept payouts, and it all turned very sour. NC wanted his own people and didn't want anyone from the old regime left over in key positions, so he wielded the axe on a hell of alot of people - very ruthless. But you could say that we'd been under performing for years, all areas of the club had failed, so why not start again with a fresh brush? I think it was just the way it was done which caused a bit of a sour ending. There is a decent turnover in the backroom still, but these are in area's which are under performing and not producing the results NC wants - so he changes until he gets the results he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Again, how does that compare to other clubs? Do they not have a turnover of staff... Especially one with our last 7 years of history? I've no idea how we compare on that front, but from speaking to people who have worked at the club both past and present, the turnover at SFC has increased a lot in the last 3 years compared to before that. As a guide, since David Luker left nearly two years ago (who had been at the club for a decade or so), we've gone through 3 ticket office managers, for whatever reason. Whether we're just hiring the wrong people from the start or we're hiring the right people but failing to keep them happy, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 I've no idea how we compare on that front, but from speaking to people who have worked at the club both past and present, the turnover at SFC has increased a lot in the last 3 years compared to before that. As a guide, since David Luker left nearly two years ago (who had been at the club for a decade or so), we've gone through 3 ticket office managers, for whatever reason. Whether we're just hiring the wrong people from the start or we're hiring the right people but failing to keep them happy, I don't know. Again, as a fan of a football club. Who the hell cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Again, as a fan of a football club. Who the hell cares? You do. When you whinge about tickets or ticketing issues. They're all cogs in the club however big or small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 You do. When you whinge about tickets or ticketing issues. They're all cogs in the club however big or small. When have I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 We are now in the Premier League Cortese wants "Big" signings Part of the attraction for "Big" signings, is a "Big" Manager, with a BIG ego, and BIG trail of failures at other teams, and a BIG wage packet, wasting BIG Adkins is not classed as a "Big" Manager, but neither were Furgeson/Wenger/Redcrapp et al, before they managed in the top league We therefore cannot attract "Big" signings, because BIG signings like to be made to look small. Therefore, to attract "Big" signings, Cortese may be looking to sign a "Big" profile Manager, because back-to-back promotions, changing the team over and over again and paying big bucks for 11 strangers who are playing for BIG wages, rather than a Team of 11 players playing for each other, and the fans, and the team are so much the road to failure. Not forgetting that it is a waste of money to develop an acadamy when we can buy what we want for top dolla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 We are a happy bunch on here. Moan Moan and bloody Moan Cheer up . what will be will be. I wouldnt put it past some skate trying to wind us up on twitter, seems like some have taken the bait. The lounge is a far happier forum at the moment than this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Again, as a fan of a football club. Who the hell cares? I care, a poorly trained / poorly managed ticket office can be a right pain in the jacksie when it comes to buying tickets and our customer service is bad enough. What I'm starting to wonder is why you've appointed yourself as the King of Meh. You hardly ever post other than to tell people there's no reason to be bothered about things that people are clearly bothered about ? Why bother ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 I care, a poorly trained / poorly managed ticket office can be a right pain in the jacksie when it comes to buying tickets and our customer service is bad enough. What I'm starting to wonder is why you've appointed yourself as the King of Meh. You hardly ever post other than to tell people there's no reason to be bothered about things that people are clearly bothered about ? Why bother ? Because so many just constantly moan about any changes the clubs makes. Old website, mona New website, moan New kits, moan Have not signed a CB mid august, moan PA system, moan Away tickets actually posted to the individuals, moan Dell club hospitality, moan Moan moan moan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Because so many just constantly moan about any changes the clubs makes. Old website, mona New website, moan New kits, moan Have not signed a CB mid august, moan PA system, moan Away tickets actually posted to the individuals, moan Dell club hospitality, moan Moan moan moan Are only positive comments allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Are only positive comments allowed? No. For example. Moaning that the new OS is too hard to navigate is hilarious It's as easy as any other website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 If we were to lose Adkins I would conclude that Cortese really is an idiot who knows nothing about football management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 No. For example. Moaning that the new OS is too hard to navigate is hilarious It's as easy as any other website. Maybe some do find it hard to navigate. I don't like the OS, not for those reasons, but I thnk its pretty bad. Same old rules, really. If you don't like the debate, either don't participate in it or try and shape it. Sniping from the sidelines about everyone moaning is equally pointless; just ignore it or put up a counter argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Maybe some do find it hard to navigate. I don't like the OS, not for those reasons, but I thnk its pretty bad. Same old rules, really. If you don't like the debate, either don't participate in it or try and shape it. Sniping from the sidelines about everyone moaning is equally pointless; just ignore it or put up a counter argument. Just saying. Just we as fans do like a good old moan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 I pay my money, will post what I like. Cheers In which case I find it surprising that you're trying to stop others doing the same. But never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 In which case I find it surprising that you're trying to stop others doing the same. But never mind. How am I trying to stop anyone. Just pointing out the trivial things people just keep moaning about the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 How am I trying to stop anyone. Just pointing out the trivial things people just keep moaning about the club Of course they're trvial, its a message board for irrational and bored people while the football isn't on! Anyway, I don't want to carry on moaning about the people moaning about the moaning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Because so many just constantly moan about any changes the clubs makes. Old website, mona New website, moan New kits, moan Have not signed a CB mid august, moan PA system, moan Away tickets actually posted to the individuals, moan Dell club hospitality, moan Moan moan moan All moanworthy other than the away tickets being posted and Dell club membership (and the PA, which you'd expect to be crap), IMHO. I don't see why there's a problem with people having a problem with something when there's clearly room for improvement ? I'm also not quite sure how adding to the moaning by moaning about it helps ? This is not a moan, by the way, it's a genuine question about why you've decided to appoint yourself as the person who decides what people get to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 I hasn't decided. Just saying I think saints fans on here moan like fuk in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 I hasn't decided. Just saying I think saints fans on here moan like fuk in general Not much to talk about if everyone agrees, is there ? For instance, the complete lack of debate about this season's ticket prices (other than people who had to move from Block 4) suggests that people are generally happy with ticket prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Originally Posted by SaintRichmond We are now in the Premier League Cortese wants "Big" signings Part of the attraction for "Big" signings, is a "Big" Manager, with a BIG ego, and BIG trail of failures at other teams, and a BIG wage packet, wasting BIG Adkins is not classed as a "Big" Manager, but neither were Furgeson/Wenger/Redcrapp et al, before they managed in the top league We therefore cannot attract "Big" signings, because BIG signings like to be made to look small. Therefore, to attract "Big" signings, Cortese may be looking to sign a "Big" profile Manager, because back-to-back promotions, changing the team over and over again and paying big bucks for 11 strangers who are playing for BIG wages, rather than a Team of 11 players playing for each other, and the fans, and the team are so much the road to failure. The above IS NOT MY ORIGINAL POST purely doctored to include answers/responses NOT my own I don't mind taking flak for what I have posted, but NOT for "doctored" responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 FFS Doldrums - people moan, always have and always will, now get over yourself or you may be in danger of becoming an uncool happyclappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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